Dinner and a Question

Steph0871

I liked the lunch ones, so I'm continuing MIAF's from yesterday...

What's for dinner?

What do you think about the death penalty? How about right to die/ assisted suicide?

Night_Sprite

I made a roast in the crock pot for H to eat while I'm at class.  

I'm down with the death penalty, and assisted suicide for terminal patients. 

MarriedInAFever

I love these. J&K is the meal + controversial question pioneer.

Lean Cuisine lasagna for dinner because my FI is not home in the evenings anymore.

I approve of the death penalty, but just barely and just because I believe it brings the families of many victims peace.

I also favor euthanasia in certain, dire cases. I've seen people die with and without dignity and dignity is better. I can't deny that.

katiewhompus

Dinner tonight was left over crab cakes and mashed potatoes. It made me quite happy

I'm not sure how I feel about either. I think if the person is absolutely 100% guilty and has no remorse I would feel safer knowing they could not possibly escape or get parole, but I have a hard time saying I support it. I also worry about the tiny chance the person is really innocent. Sept 13th is going to be the first female death penalty execution (injection) in over 100 years according to the paper. It will be interesting to see the media blow up.

I also worry about assisted suicide going the wrong way. I support it in the case of say, a terminal patient who is going to waste away over several months/years having the option to choose an end. I also worry that people would use it as a way to collect insurance or doctors showing biased (in the case of race or background).

anna.oskar

Papa John's pizza for dinner at H's request

I'm on the fence about the death penalty.  In the case of a 100% guilty violent criminal, I vote for whichever costs the taxpayer less.

Assisted suicide is a tricky thing.  I already feel (and my family blames me) that I assisted my grandmother in dying.  I wanted to respect her wishes and they seemed reasonable.

npasquale16

I made sloppy joes, mashed potatoes and green beans.  FI is working late this whole week and weekend and I had the day off, so it's been KNot-central over here.

I support the death penalty only in cases of pedophilia or when it is proven that the victim's quality of life would be impaired by the criminal's existence.  For instance, I knew a woman who was severaly raped and beaten.  She lived in constant fear that the rapist would be granted parole and had to participate in his parole hearings (I forget how often), detailing her experience and basically reliving the entire ordeal.  That's ridiculous.  She was deathly afraid of this man and it definitely affected her life. 

However, I think the death penalty is dangerous in a way, because I really don't believe anyone has the right to judge someone's right to live.  So it's a difficult call for me. 

Morally, I don't believe in euthanasia, but legally, I think people should have the right to end their own lives if they choose, especially in cases of terminal illnesses.  No one knows what their pain level or emotional ordeal feels like and they should be able to put that to an end if they choose.

laurenclaire1386

I have no idea what's for dinner

Personally, I find the death penalty pretty hypocritical and I don't think it ever really mitigates the situation it's intended to mitigate. What's most important to me, though, is that it's not ever federally mandated. Each state should be given the right to decide on whether or not they'll practice capital punishment.

I'm totally fine with assisted suicide.

[Deleted User]

We had cheesy noodles and tuna.

I'm all for the death penalty. You will never convince me it's wrong, and I can guarantee it's pointless to try. I'm also for assisted suicide. People have the right to choose when they are terminally ill. My grandpa has it in his will that if he's in a coma/vegetative state he wants to pull the plug, and that if any of his kids object or try to stop the doc they are automatically written out of the will.

Well, I'm off. Time to stop neglecting my husband and give him some quality time.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

I'm just having a salad. I have to clean my whole house first, though, cause they sprayed it for fleas today.

I am against the death penalty and pro-assisted suicide. I don't think any human being, even those in government, should have the right to determine whether or not another human being lives or dies. But as far as determining your own right to live or die? Sure.

lilianne22

I'm having pizza for dinner.  (Three Cheese safeway brand)

I'm pro-death penalty and also pro-euthanasia/assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

katiewhompus

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[QUOTE]Katie, why do you think it matters if it's a woman putting executed? Mery, are you ok with euthanasia if it is someone's distinct wish, but carried out by someone else? Not disagreeing or arguing, just furthuring conversation
Posted by MarriedInAFever[/QUOTE]

I think it's such a big deal because people in this area still view women as the gentler, nicer sex. It is unbelievable to them that a woman would commit such an offense to warrant the death penalty. I believe she plotted to kill her husband and son, but I'm not sure about that.

MarriedInAFever

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : I think it's such a big deal because people in this area still view women as the gentler, nicer sex. It is unbelievable to them that a woman would commit such an offense to warrant the death penalty. I believe she plotted to kill her husband and son, but I'm not sure about that.
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

Oh, sister, that seems the view virtually everywhere. I totally understand that. But I also believe criminal and psychopathic women can just be as heinous as men. So I think they should face the same punishment. Equal opportunity and all.

npasquale16

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[QUOTE]Dinner was leftovers for both of us. Yum yum. I'm not sure how I feel about the death penalty. <strong> I think if there is DNA proof that they are guilty, and they're serving life without parole, why waste the money? </strong> Just get it over with (that sounds harsh.)  I agree with PPs about it helping give closure to the victim, too.   But I have issues with it, because it is incredibly hypocritical and it gives the felon and easy way out. I<strong> do, however, feel very strongly that inmates are pampered.  No, you should not have cable tv.</strong>  When you committed the crime, you gave up your rights to any standard of living.  FFS, the MN inmates can't even make our license plates anymore, because it's 'forced labor." I do agree with assisted suicide.  But I realize there are all sorts of legal limitations... I think the patient should have to sign a waiver while they are still in complete sound mind, prior to any treatments (sort of like the DNR statements?)
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

I agree with both of these statements, Steph. 

First, I'd rather see tax money spent in other areas.  If you killed someone, you deserve the lowest standard of living and that's it.  Why are we paying for inmates to have anything?  Act like an animal and you get treated like one. 

Shaye526

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[QUOTE]I made sloppy joes, mashed potatoes and green beans.  FI is working late this whole week and weekend and I had the day off, so it's been KNot-central over here. I support the death penalty only in cases of pedophilia or when it is proven that the victim's quality of life would be impaired by the criminal's existence.  For instance, I knew a woman who was severaly raped and beaten.  She lived in constant fear that the rapist would be granted parole and had to participate in his parole hearings (I forget how often), detailing her experience and basically reliving the entire ordeal.  That's ridiculous.  She was deathly afraid of this man and it definitely affected her life.  However, I think the death penalty is dangerous in a way, because I really don't believe anyone has the right to judge someone's right to live.  So it's a difficult call for me.  Morally, I don't believe in euthanasia, but legally, I think people should have the right to end their own lives if they choose, especially in cases of terminal illnesses.  No one knows what their pain level or emotional ordeal feels like and they should be able to put that to an end if they choose.
Posted by npasquale16[/QUOTE]

I'm not having anything for dinner because I'm just not hungry, for once.

And what you said about both topics is pretty much verbatim about how I feel.

npasquale16

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : I completely agree! I watched a show once about prisons. There was one in TX that was notorious for being miserable for the prisoners. The prison was basically an outdoor tent. No AC, just fans and the prisoners slept on bunk beds. They had to wear pink socks, pink underwear, and had pink sheets. They were allowed to wear white shirts if they behaved but if they did not behave they had the choice between neon green or hot pink for shirt colors. They had to spend their entire day picking up trash, cleaning up parks, etc. and were allowed 1 hour of free time after dinner. The warden was interviewed and said "This ain't no country club bullshit jail. <strong>How can you feel remorse for your crime when you can play video games all day and have someone else pay for it?"</strong>
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I understand that some people think that prisons shoul dinclude rehabilitation programs for inmates and I am all for people getting counseling and learning to deal with their issues or understanding why they committed crimes in the first place.  But they should be doing that while living  a life that demonstrates what it means to give up your rights by breaking the law.  Having air conditioning, books, games, hell, having CHOICES, is the perogative of those who follow the rules and live decent lives.  Why should criminalshave things that those who try to work, but are impoverished, don't have? 

katiewhompus

I think people who join the military probably have it worse than people in most jails. I also say that having never been in the military or jail though.

rhodesign

Bacon-wrapped chicken with potatoes and broccoli.

Death penalty--I don't know. The pacifist in me sees it as hypocritical and not a true deterrent to crime. However I know that victims and loved ones of victims often feel solace in it, so...yeah. I guess I need more faith in our system to know that innocent people aren't being put to death before I jump on board 100%

Assisted sucide...another tricky one. I agree with the principle--we put down our pets when they're suffering, why not ourselves. BUT the devil is in the details: when is someone able to make that decision? Should be an advanced directive? When is someone sound enough to make the decision before their disease and pain addles their brain and therefore their decisions? As healthcare providers, it goes against our very purpose, but I get it. I've seen patients (babies) die and suffer, and I fully understand the desire to end things if things got that bad with adults. I'm all for pulling the plug in dire cases, DNRs, etc. but it's just tricky with the legalities.

J&K10910

Dinner was pizza.

Against death penalty, for many, many reasons that I've stated before.  The whole process is more expensive than life imprisonment, it's hyprocritical, it's not effective at deterring crime, the chance of executing an innocent person, many forms of execution are unconstitutional.

For assisted suicide, with proper counseling and waiting periods in place.

MarriedInAFever

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[QUOTE]I think people who join the military probably have it worse than people in most jails. I also say that having never been in the military or jail though.
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

I *completely* agree with this. I'm also a huge advocate of improving conditions/wages/benefits/everything for servicememebers.

npasquale16

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[QUOTE]Bacon-wrapped chicken with potatoes and broccoli. .
Posted by rhodesign[/QUOTE]
This sounds delicious!!

JennaV26

We had chicken nuggets and mac-n-cheese because I was too lazy to cook any "real" food!

I'm pro both, but I'm a little more extreme with the death penalty. I don't like my tax money going to support a killer while they rot away in jail. Also, this falls under our country's law of no cruel and unusual punishment but sometimes, I think some people deserve to die the way they killed others, i.e. I think we should have sat Timothy McVeigh in a room and blown him to pieces like he did to the victims in the OKC bombing.

I also think rapists and pedophiles should be sent directly to death row or castrated. Or both. There's a deterrent.

ETA: Let's just pretend that with the use of my system there was 100% certainty that people committed those crimes.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]We had chicken nuggets and mac-n-cheese because I was too lazy to cook any "real" food! I'm pro both, but I'm a little more extreme with the death penalty. <strong>I don't like my tax money going to support a killer while they rot away in jail.</strong> Also, this falls under our country's law of no cruel and unusual punishment but sometimes, I think some people deserve to die the way they killed others, i.e. I think we should have sat Timothy McVeigh in a room and blown him to pieces like he did to the victims in the OKC bombing. I also think rapists and pedophiles should be sent directly to death row or castrated. Or both. There's a deterrent.
Posted by JennaV26[/QUOTE]

Just FYI, a whole lot more of your tax money goes to executing that person.  At least the way it all works at this time.

rhodesign

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : This sounds delicious!!
Posted by npasquale16[/QUOTE]
oh. it was.
<a href="http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Bacon-Roasted-Chicken-with-Potatoes/Detail.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Bacon-Roasted-Chicken-with-Potatoes/Detail.aspx</a>

katiewhompus

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[QUOTE]Bacon-wrapped chicken with potatoes and broccoli. Death penalty--I don't know. The pacifist in me sees it as hypocritical and not a true deterrent to crime. However I know that victims and loved ones of victims often feel solace in it, so...yeah. I guess I need more faith in our system to know that innocent people aren't being put to death before I jump on board 100% Assisted sucide...another tricky one. I agree with the principle<strong>--we put down our pets when they're suffering, why not ourselves. BUT the devil is in the details</strong>: when is someone able to make that decision? Should be an advanced directive? When is someone sound enough to make the decision before their disease and pain addles their brain and therefore their decisions? As healthcare providers, it goes against our very purpose, but I get it. I've seen patients (babies) die and suffer, and I fully understand the desire to end things if things got that bad with adults. I'm all for pulling the plug in dire cases, DNRs, etc. but it's just tricky with the legalities.
Posted by rhodesign[/QUOTE]

I this gets sticky too. When I put down my ratty it was at the gentle suggestion of the vet because she was already old, was suffering, and the treatment would have been in the thousands with a small success rate. But there was a treatment and there was a chance, we just decided not to take it. How do we regulate that with humans? Can you imagine, as a provider, having to euthanize someone if their spouse/child/parent decided it would be better than paying for a slim chance treatment or because they couldn't afford it?
I have no answer, just babbling now.

JennaV26

About assisted suicide - I'm for it if people have a living will or other directive written and signed by witnesses and their lawyer while still in full health.

MarriedInAFever

I'm glad J&K is here.

Rho, I would like you to invite me to dinner.

JennaV26

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : Just FYI, a whole lot more of your tax money goes to executing that person.  At least the way it all works at this time.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

It would save us a lot more money to kill them the week after they get found guilty than it would for me to spend that same amount of money <em>after </em>they sat in jail for 10 years.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : It would save us a lot more money to kill them the week after they get found guilty than it would for me to spend that same amount of money after they sat in jail for 10 years.
Posted by JennaV26[/QUOTE]

Very true, however you would be denying them the right to appeal if that were the case.

JennaV26

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dinner and a Question : Very true, however you would be denying them the right to appeal if that were the case.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Hmm that's a good point. I guess I'm just an unforgiving person! :)