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So Disillusioned Sorry its so long

Ok here's the latest. I have been trying to do what I can to get a wedding together and was going to look at Venues and talk to the Event Managers at these venues and finding ways to cut the budget. Well it all came to a head on Sunday when I told my FI what this one neighbor said. What that was about is we went out on our boat on Sunday to see the "Blue Angels and this one couple (neighbors of ours) joined us.She asked me about what I was planning for our wedding and I told her what I was planning and told her that I was looking at many options. She then proceeded to tell me how I can save some money and I told her that was what I am looking to do. She asked me if I even knew the price of wedding gowns and that they were not cheap and I told her that I knew from doing some online research but have not priced them in any bridal shops. I had a budget that I set for that.Then she got upset and said "I was trying to give you some ideas and you don't want to take them"I was like thinking what the h**, and I told her that I appreciated her ideas and would take them into consideration and that I was looking at all my options and she then said wow you don't want much. It was everything I could do to not be rude so I said nothing more than  So I told my FI and he got ticked and told me that most reasonable people would think that I was asking for advice. So now I am unreasonable. I don't remember asking for her advice or options has she asked me what I was planning and how I wanted my wedding to be.Then he tells me that I am sitting here talking about 2000 Venues and 1500 gowns and I said I never said anything about a 1500 gown I had told him that this neighbor said that she spent that on her gown. He said your planning a wedding and we can't even pay our morgage and other bills and your spending money we don't have. I haven't spent a dime on anything. I told him all that I am doing is looking to see what is out there and talk to Venues and make a determination of where the best deal for us so that I know how much money it will be to put aside. Then he tells me that I am selfish and I said how is that? When one day out of the blue he said lets go go ahead and get married and move on with our lifes. I said to him No we can't do that has we want to have his daugher here for this. He said it wasn't going to happen and he has made me wait long enough. So than I proceeded to do that and when I reminded him of what he said, his comment was "you hear what you want to hear" that he was very depressed in not having his daugher and I was selfish and jumped right on the planning.I am at the end of this and I told him forget it I don't want to marry you. I just feel hurt has he seems to always have everything centered around him and what he is going through. I am and the relationship is the last thing on his list. I am not sure anymore of anything about us. I feel pretty numb.

Re: So Disillusioned Sorry its so long

  • edited December 2011
    Oh no! Dear that sucks wish I was there to give you a hug! Is this the man you want to marry? Are you just hurt? Sounds like you need to sit down and have a long talk with him.  If he is always putting you last is that what you want in your life. Just from our few messages back and forth I would have to say you deserve more than that. I will tell you right now that my FI is wonderful and treats me better than any man ever has. He puts me before anyone else and heck does the same for my children because he knows how much they mean to me.  Sounds like some serious talking is in your future.  Sorry and let us know how things are going!!!  
  • handfast4mehandfast4me member
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    edited December 2011
    Oh my.  Sorry this is happening.  I don't know how your fi is, but may I offer a suggestion?  I know that my DH really says things that he doesn't mean--he sort of talks off the top of his head, without considering what he's saying, or the WAY he's saying it.  Also, I also realize now that the two of us each had different ideas in our head of what we wanted for our wedding, but until I asked "what do you want?" And "what is the most important thing about this wedding that you really won't do without?" I didn't know what he wanted.  My experience has been that when I say "can we talk?" the man's eyes glaze over.  So here's what I've learned to do:  "Can we talk for 10 minutes?"  Men can handle 10 minutes of talking.  And I literally set a timer.  At the end, if we both agree to lengthen the time, we can do it for 5 more minutes, but at the end of that, we're done.  We have to wait for another day or time to speak more.  It also has helped me to cut to the chase, and not bring up history.  You know the stuff, that somehow we get caught up in saying "yes, but 3 years ago on a Sunday in June when I was wearing a blue shirt and you had on that green one, you said you didn't like blue on me so I never wore it again. . . "   They won't remember it, and they don't think it's relevant.  So just tackle one issue at a time, for a limited time.  It seems like there's a lot going on in this topic, the daughter, the neighbors, the expenses, what each of you wants for a wedding, job security (or lack thereof), etc.  Don't give up yet--everybody gets emotional about all of this.  Keep us posted.
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  • edited December 2011
    Awww...HUGS...I really like Handfast's approach here. Men cannot handle the minutia we process, and it never makes sense to them. At this some point, the more you say, the worse it gets (trust me, I have been there...MANY times).Before you shut that door with him, take a step back, take a deep breath, and calmly spend 10 minutes (in my world usually turns out to be more) and listen to his concerns. It will be hard to hold your thoughts and comments back until the end, but let him voice what is on his mind. Without knowing him or more on the situation, I couldn't be sure, but it sounds like his biggest concern is the issue with his daughter. This could loom over the situaiton no matter what you do. If that will forever be a concern, better to know now. It also sounds like maybe he did not expect things to move so fast (in his eyes) and/or has concerns over job/money/wedding costs. If you get this far with him and continue to plan, I would write up a budget and plan for how you two are going to pay for everything and go over it with him.I really hope all goes well for you, and we are here if you need to vent more or need support.
  • jeannigirljeannigirl member
    Ninth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Thanks for all the long distant hugs, and all the advice and support that you have given. We have been together for 6 years this August. He has said several times that he wants us to marry. I am sick of just feeling like I am his girlfriend, I want more than that. He says he does to but everytime I start to plan after he tells me to go ahead then he gets all rattled and says that is not the most important thing on the list for him to do. I know that he is a good man and that he is a hard worker and has good values and wants only to see that we have money in the bank and are secure. I do understand that and I also want the same thing.I also want to feel like he wants to be married to me and I just am not feeling those vibes. He says he loves me and that he proves that by purchasing a home etc. I appreciate that I really do because their is no man who have ever provided a home that I can call my own.I just feel very confused right now and now sure what I want anymore.
  • edited December 2011
    Oh Jeanni I just wanna give you a hug! I am here for you if you need me! Let me know if I can help.  Hey get the dress and come visit me in vegas tie the knot have a cocktail and then it will be done. ;-)
  • jeannigirljeannigirl member
    Ninth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    pam: hey no kidding. When he threw that lets just go to a JP I said I don't want a JP. Yes we need to talk about this. He is just so stressed out on the finances and things that me even mentioning anything wedding sends him over the edge. I always feel like here we go again putting it on a back burner. I have asked him what he wants and he tells me what ever I want then when I am trying to figure out how to arrange all of this he gets upset with me and tells me that I am focusing to much on the wedding and not on trying to help where its really needed. So here I once again just dropping it. I can't seem to win either way.
  • edited December 2011
    Poor girl.  We all feel for you!  I kind of understand what he might be feeling since I think my FI is in the same boat.  I want to be married to him SO badly, and he seemed to be dragging his feet.  Finally we had a huge talk, and it's just that he feels terribly guilty about not being able to afford my dream wedding right now.  I'll suggest a JP, but that makes him feel like a failure.  Then he suggests a JP and he sees I'm not that excited about it, so we're just stalled.  I think men have this overwhelming need to "take care of us" and even though we obviously know that they don't control the economy, they still feel awful about it.  Maybe he's dealing with the guilt of not being able to provide for you right now (hello men, it's 2009, we don't need you to "provide" for us anymore) and it's coming out this way.And we're supposed to be the complicated ones.Definately try to find out what he's feeling.Good luck, hun.
  • jeannigirljeannigirl member
    Ninth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    I know that I need to do that to find out how we can get through this. I think that I'll let some time go by before I approach this subject where we both aren't feeling heated. I feel totally agitated that he is so up and down on this.  I am not asking for this "Over the top Wedding" I just would like to have a better one than my first. (which was totally a farce) I know I am not asking for much I am really really thinking of ways to cut costs all the way around. I plan on DIY alot of things myself to cut costs.  I am willing to pay for this wedding has well. Like my own wedding dress and DIY items. There are alot of things that we won't have that will save $$.I guess I'll suck it up has I always do and just move with his flow and let him know when he feels he's ready to make that move  finacially he can do the asking to marry me and lets get this wedding planned. I just hope that it isn't going to be to far down the road.
  • karma007karma007 member
    500 Comments
    edited December 2011
    What about a tentative timeline? Something along the lines of "If planning a wedding right now isn't working for you, at what point do you think we should? What do you feel needs to be accomplished first?" I'm sorry he's being so rotten.
  • edited December 2011
    I am horrible I know but reading this brings tears to my eyes! I feel so bad for you! My email is in my bio if you wanna shoot one that way.  Take care and know we are all there for you.  ndersand them wanting to take care of us but that is so frustrating! Its amazing how much you can DIY.  I am having fun with it.  Although he didn't want me to do anything he wanted me to order everything then I showed him what things I can do and he realized I get pleasure from it and he now is enjoying me with my fingers covered in glue and running to the craft store. Hopefully your guy will turn around. Maybe he has some other fears he isn't talking about. 
  • jeannigirljeannigirl member
    Ninth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    The tentaive time line sounds that it could be workable to approach. Right now I am not even wanting to think about marrying this guy. I do love him but I feel pushed to the side has he has so much more inportant things to worry about and it isn't our relationship. I am trying to be understanding and know that it is a guy thing that they feel like if they aren't able to keep up on all the bills then they are worthless. He has spoken that many times that he is not a good provider. I tell him yes you are. I don't think that I will ever convince him that he is. I just feel totally helpless and I am feeling the stress from his depression and frustration. I do want to see where he really stands and if he really wants to marry me, because if he doesn't then I don't want to contuine living as the girlfriend bs.
  • edited December 2011
    If you ever need to go have some coffee and vent lets go....we aren't that far apart.You are carrying a lot on your shoulders right now but I caught something in your post that worries me.  "You will suck it up and deal"  Don't settle.  EVER.  You are worth it all.  There is no reason why you can't compromise.  Money is tight for everyone right now and there are ways to plan a wedding that is nice but under 5k too.  It seems like you have plenty of time to plan a nice wedding on a budget.  However it seems like he may not be ready to commit.Before my FI and I got engaged we had that same heart to heart.  We talked aobut everything and did it many times over a week.  If FI is worried about finances now is not the time to bring it up.  All it will do is stress him out more and make things worse.  Go take a hot bubble bath and make a list.  Write out all the reasons you love him and want to marry him.  The next night write out all the reasons you are second guessing your pending marriage.  Wait a couple more days and review both lists.  If one outweighs the other then you know.  But do it over time. We are to emotional in our thought process and make rash decisions based on them.
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  • jeannigirljeannigirl member
    Ninth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Angela: Thanks for the good advice. The making lists sound good. I know I don't want to say anything remotely close to anything wedding. I will give it some time. Yes finances are stressing him besides several other things. I would like very much to take up your offer of meeting for coffee and to meet you. I just really don't have anyone that I feel understands what I am going through at this time. It is always nice to meet and make some friends.
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