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MOH demoted herself!!!

Ok all, I need help with this.  long story so please bear with:

So a little fiance background: got engaged dec 2010, I started wedding planning right away, only to encounter many relationship & financial problems. I put planning on hold, me & fiance been working out our issues, & are still having wedding (dealing w major cost-cutting tho).  With the planning on hold since jan, my inner bride has been dying to get back into business.

A little MOH background: is my sister, we've been close friends up until she turned 19 & thinks she's the s**t.  Not to mention she is graduating from HS in june and goes to college in July.  She never has liked my fiance, doesnt even respect him.  Im going to her grad party but he isnt allowed to come, & if im hanging out with her, Im not allowed to even speak his name.  I say "allowed" cuz the moment i say something about him, she says "this is u&me time i dont wanna hear about him.  plainly speaking she makes it well known she begrudges him for the times he has hurt me, in which case obviously ive forgiven him otherwise i wouldnt be getting married.

Ok so all that being said, here is my big issue.  So since the planning has been on hold i havent been talking shop much esp to my sis, knowing she dont wanna hear his name.  Well now that I am back in my "game" im starting planning again, esp since Im a year away (wedding: may 12, 2012).  My sis hasnt done much as MOH anyway, and I read posts saying that all she has to do is show up & be pretty.  Fine with me, Im not expecting her to work plans out, i have others for that.  I would just like to TALK about the wedding, get advice, get ideas.  Im not asking her to pay or make my plans, only to TALK which any bridal attendant should be willing to do.  SO the other day I ask her a question about guest list cutting.  no work involved simply wanted an opinon.  Here is wut I get:
"I cant effin deal with ur s**t right now ive got my own stresses to deal with, ur wedding is a year away, chill ok"
WOW ok this is in text too but i can hear her attitude.  I said "i know ur stressed I was a teen too i remember wut its like to get into the adult world. and hun i have been chill on my wedding all im doing is asking a question" 
her: "ur always trying to talk to me about wedding stuff and i dont effin care, ive got my own s**t to deal with if u need a MOH right now then get someone else"
more WOW.  I dont know wut's up ur @$$, but i tried to be calm and tell her :look all im doing is asking u 1 damn question, u never let me talk about the wedding or andrew. 1 damn question, ur response is so uncalled for. if ur too busy u coulda just said so"

so this happened last night, then this morning she texts me and shes like: u have no idea wut im going thru right now ok i dont have time for ur wedding stuff i dont wanna be ur MOH

Last night and this morning ive cried, this is my sister, i cant believe wut kind of hell she is giving me.  do i have right to be upset? does she have right to lash out?

So I have 3 bridesmaids but one of them is the closest besides my sis.  So Ive already talked to her and she said if my sister is serious about relinquishing her MOH title then she will happily take place.  Which Im thankful for.  esp since sarah (the bridesmaid im talking about) isnt the "typical MOH to look pretty"  she really is the one person all us brides need: she will help me with plans she will try to coordinate things.  granted she is in PA, so from where I live in CA thats gonna be hard.  but she said she'd find a way to help me.  Makes me feel like I shoulda picked her as MOH in the first place. esp since her kids are my godkids so we are that close. but i thought id do my sis the honor, when it turns out she doesnt wanted it.
and another thing:  so earlier i said im going to her grad party.  cant make it to her grad day cuz i have school finals.  she's been ok with that so far. when she said she didnt want to be MOH i said fine are u gonna want to be bridesmaid too or u gonna throw that out the window? she said: I dont even know if ill be at ur wedding ill be in school.  WOW so she is getting revenge cuz i cant make it to her grad day but i am going to grad party.  i said:  i love u but if u deliberately dont come to my wedding ill never forgive u.  she didnt text me anymore after that.

so, the way my sis is she aint gonna talk to me for atlest a week if not more.  fine ill let her cool down.  ive already decided i dont want her as MOH anymore, have my bestie who is willing to go above and beyond the MOH stance. But if she apologizes do I count her as bridesmaid? and if she doesnt do I not have her in wedding at all?She is my closest sister (my eldest sister is the"black sheep" of our family so she dont talk to anyone, and my 15yr sis im pretty much not allowed to be close to her - my family is christian, im pagan. that's another story, dont ask)
ive always included her in the biggest parts of my life. but shes already make it perfectly clear she doesnt want fiance as bro-in-law. and now shes having this MOH-zilla B**chfest with me.

*loud sigh* ok so there's my drama
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  • vicki0508vicki0508 member
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    edited December 2011
    That was really long.  I do think you're overreacting to your sister.  My sister is 18 and is also graduating HS and starting college in the fall.  I don't talk wedding with her.  Your sister is going through a major life change.  Transitioning from HS to college is a huge deal, and I think it's completely understandable that she wants to focus on that and not deal with your wedding.

    Since your wedding is still so far away, there's no need to go around trying to find another MOH.  I would suggest that even if your sister steps down, voluntarily, you should not replace her.  Your sister would feel replaceable, and your 2nd choice would feel like a replacement.  You don't have to have a MOH.

    If you need to talk wedding, do so with your fiance, or your mom and FMIL, or come here on TK.  Ladies around here love to talk about weddings.  So spare your loved ones incessant wedding jabber, and post questions and thoughts here.

    Just out of curiosity, since your sister dislikes your FI so much, how does the rest of your familiy feel about him?
  • zitiqueenzitiqueen member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_moh-demoted-herself?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:357Discussion:7cb2f9c3-374d-4289-b958-6ae4b6998eb3Post:86228a93-9f78-48f8-a9f8-8f6078b6f75c">MOH demoted herself!!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong> she makes it well known she begrudges him for the times he has hurt me, in which case obviously ive forgiven him otherwise i wouldnt be getting married.</strong> Posted by ladynafina[/QUOTE]

    I need more details here. I'd also like to know how old you are.
  • zitiqueenzitiqueen member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_moh-demoted-herself?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:357Discussion:7cb2f9c3-374d-4289-b958-6ae4b6998eb3Post:86228a93-9f78-48f8-a9f8-8f6078b6f75c">MOH demoted herself!!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Ok all, I need help with this.  long story so please bear with: So a little fiance background: got engaged dec 2010, I started wedding planning right away, only to encounter many relationship & financial problems. I put planning on hold, me & fiance been working out our issues, & are still having wedding (dealing w major cost-cutting tho).  With the planning on hold since jan, my inner bride has been dying to get back into business. A little MOH background: is my sister, we've been close friends up until she turned 19 & thinks she's the s**t.  Not to mention she is graduating from HS in june and goes to college in July.  She never has liked my fiance, doesnt even respect him.  Im going to her grad party but he isnt allowed to come, & if im hanging out with her, Im not allowed to even speak his name.  I say "allowed" cuz the moment i say something about him, she says "this is u&me time i dont wanna hear about him.  plainly speaking she makes it well known she begrudges him for the times he has hurt me, in which case obviously ive forgiven him otherwise i wouldnt be getting married. Ok so all that being said, here is my big issue.  So since the planning has been on hold i havent been talking shop much esp to my sis, knowing she dont wanna hear his name.  Well now that I am back in my "game" im starting planning again, esp since Im a year away (wedding: may 12, 2012).  My sis hasnt done much as MOH anyway, and I read posts saying that all she has to do is show up & be pretty.  Fine with me, Im not expecting her to work plans out, i have others for that.  I would just like to TALK about the wedding, get advice, get ideas.  Im not asking her to pay or make my plans, only to TALK which any bridal attendant should be willing to do.  SO the other day I ask her a question about guest list cutting.  no work involved simply wanted an opinon.  Here is wut I get: "I cant effin deal with ur s**t right now ive got my own stresses to deal with, ur wedding is a year away, chill ok" WOW ok this is in text too but i can hear her attitude.  I said "i know ur stressed I was a teen too i remember wut its like to get into the adult world. and hun i have been chill on my wedding all im doing is asking a question"  her: "ur always trying to talk to me about wedding stuff and i dont effin care, ive got my own s**t to deal with if u need a MOH right now then get someone else" more WOW.  I dont know wut's up ur @$$, but i tried to be calm and tell her :look all im doing is asking u 1 damn question, u never let me talk about the wedding or andrew. 1 damn question, ur response is so uncalled for. if ur too busy u coulda just said so" so this happened last night, then this morning she texts me and shes like: u have no idea wut im going thru right now ok i dont have time for ur wedding stuff i dont wanna be ur MOH Last night and this morning ive cried, this is my sister, i cant believe wut kind of hell she is giving me.  do i have right to be upset? does she have right to lash out? So I have 3 bridesmaids but one of them is the closest besides my sis.  So Ive already talked to her and she said if my sister is serious about relinquishing her MOH title then she will happily take place.  Which Im thankful for.  esp since sarah (the bridesmaid im talking about) isnt the "typical MOH to look pretty"  she really is the one person all us brides need: she will help me with plans she will try to coordinate things.  granted she is in PA, so from where I live in CA thats gonna be hard.  but she said she'd find a way to help me.  Makes me feel like I shoulda picked her as MOH in the first place. esp since her kids are my godkids so we are that close. but i thought id do my sis the honor, when it turns out she doesnt wanted it. and another thing:  so earlier i said im going to her grad party.  cant make it to her grad day cuz i have school finals.  she's been ok with that so far. when she said she didnt want to be MOH i said fine are u gonna want to be bridesmaid too or u gonna throw that out the window? she said: I dont even know if ill be at ur wedding ill be in school.  WOW so she is getting revenge cuz i cant make it to her grad day but i am going to grad party.  i said:  i love u but if u deliberately dont come to my wedding ill never forgive u.  she didnt text me anymore after that. so, the way my sis is she aint gonna talk to me for atlest a week if not more.  fine ill let her cool down.  ive already decided i dont want her as MOH anymore, have my bestie who is willing to go above and beyond the MOH stance. But if she apologizes do I count her as bridesmaid? and if she doesnt do I not have her in wedding at all?She is my closest sister (my eldest sister is the"black sheep" of our family so she dont talk to anyone, and my 15yr sis im pretty much not allowed to be close to her - my family is christian, im pagan. that's another story, dont ask) ive always included her in the biggest parts of my life. but shes already make it perfectly clear she doesnt want fiance as bro-in-law. and now shes having this MOH-zilla B**chfest with me. *loud sigh* ok so there's my drama
    Posted by ladynafina[/QUOTE]
  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    I am 26 ive been married before  and my fiance has lied to me times before, when he was just a bf.  that has changed now.  he has hurt me but ive forgiven him, and im not an angel either.  i have a major temper. point in case: we are both working out our issues and both forgiving.
    my sister is actually my half sis from my mom & step dad.  so my other fam, dad & step mom, there's no relations w my sis.  anyway my family loves him.  im not close to my fam cuz of religious reasons on their part. my mom knows weve gone thru some issues but even tho my fiance has done things she still likes him.

    while i understand my sis is going thru alot, i think it's ridiculous that she reacted the way she did. im overreacting? well ok nice opinon.  and i choose to have a MOH so i guess she will have to deal with being replaced.  my bestie doesnt feel like a replacement ive already talked to her and it doesnt bother her in the slightest to be second best.  i understand my sis is going thru stress, i was a teen once too.  but the way she reacted to me asking 1 lousy question was wrong.  vicki im sorry i dont agree with u, but i thought one of the main points of being a MOH or bridesmaid was to be there for the bride.  from wut i make of ur statement, the bridesmaids or MOH arent supposed to listen to me talk wedding? wut is the point in having a wedding party/attendants if i shouldnt talk to them about the wedding? maybe im missunderstanding....
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    i get that talking wedding too much can get annoying, but im not that bad.  everynow and then i bring it up. nothing wrong with that. i want my friends and family to be included, to feel included and if they had any opinons or ideas id happily listen.  so why is it so wrong for me to ask her one question?  that is wut i dont understand.
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  • Kate61487Kate61487 member
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    edited December 2011
    Based on the limited info we have I would have to agree with Vicki.  I talk wedding with my FI, my mom (b/c she's helping me plan) and girls on the knot.  With anyone else I never bring it up; my BMs will ask me how stuff is going or text me when they want to talk wedding (got their dress, are picking their shoes, got the invite), and I'm happy to talk wedding with them when they bring it up.  But really truly no one cares about the guest list drama except the people involved (you, FI, and whatever relative is insisting someone be invited).  Add on the fact that she's 19 and going through a major life change (and is probably a little scared / anxious about it)..  I'm not saying her outburst was validated, she was a little extreme in her response, but you shouldn't take it so personally. 

    And you've got to try and see from an outside perspective.  We spend SO much of our time thinking about wedding stuff that mentioning it here or there feels like you're not talking about it much, but to the person listening it can easily feel like that's all you talk about, even though you feel like you're not over doing it.

    I am a little concerned with how she feels / acts about your FI.  I mean, refusing to allow him at her grad party? He's supposed to be family.  That would upset me a lot more than the fact that she doesn't care about the guest list...
  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    im starting to see the point.  i could go to others to talk but i thought being that she's my sister and moh that it was ok to ask questions.  even tho this is my 2nd marriage, it's actually my 1st wedding (1st marriage was courthouse) so im new when it comes to planning.

    and yes it highly concerns me.  she has seen me get hurt by many a guy, tho ive admited to my own faults in that relationship.  but she still begrudges him even when ive forgiven him.  sure he shouldntve lied to me with things he did, but he is a good guy. and he hasnt hurt her.
     she doesnt see that.  is it wrong for me to expect her to respect him? she doesnt have to like him but when he is bro-in-law she has to tolerate him.  this is where i think she is selfish.  even before the engagement i wasnt allowed to talk about him when im with her.  even tho she has no problem spilling her boy problems to me.  this drama has always upset me but up til recently i try not to let it bother me. but couple months ago she was complaining that i never see her enough now (she's in hs, im in college full time - massage therapy school - and she lives an hr away) i said yeah cuz our lives r so busy now. i was military for 7 yrs so in my opinon she should be used to not seeing me enough... thats life...
    and then she proceeded to complain im with my fiance too much.  uh yeah that's cuz he isnt an hr away, we are engaged but not living together.  i still make time for her but lately if im with him she is pissed cuz im not with her.  so finally i got fed up and said, u know when we get married, its not just me, its me and him, its us.  which means im not leaving him behind.  she was like, if i come to visit does he have to be there? hello, he will be living with me! of course he has to be there. she was like ok then u can take me out so i dont have to be around him.
    now someone please tell me that's not selfish....

    my whole poiint is, it's not the fact of the question, overall im upset cuz she has no respect for my relationship and her whole attitude is "my way or i get pissy".
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  • vicki0508vicki0508 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_moh-demoted-herself?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:7cb2f9c3-374d-4289-b958-6ae4b6998eb3Post:c2add058-0b2f-4dc1-8bf5-ea8e346978fd">Re: MOH demoted herself!!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]I am 26 ive been married before  and my fiance has lied to me times before, when he was just a bf.  that has changed now.  he has hurt me but ive forgiven him, and im not an angel either.  i have a major temper. point in case: we are both working out our issues and both forgiving. my sister is actually my half sis from my mom & step dad.  so my other fam, dad & step mom, there's no relations w my sis.  anyway my family loves him.  im not close to my fam cuz of religious reasons on their part. my mom knows weve gone thru some issues but even tho my fiance has done things she still likes him. while i understand my sis is going thru alot, i think it's ridiculous that she reacted the way she did. im overreacting? well ok nice opinon.  and i choose to have a MOH so i guess she will have to deal with being replaced.  my bestie doesnt feel like a replacement ive already talked to her and it doesnt bother her in the slightest to be second best.  i understand my sis is going thru stress, i was a teen once too.  but the way she reacted to me asking 1 lousy question was wrong.  vicki im sorry i dont agree with u, but i thought one of the main points of being a MOH or bridesmaid was to be there for the bride.  from wut i make of ur statement, the bridesmaids or MOH arent supposed to listen to me talk wedding? <strong>wut is the point in having a wedding party/attendants if i shouldnt talk to them about the wedding?</strong> maybe im missunderstanding....
    Posted by ladynafina[/QUOTE]
    The point of having attendants is so that you have the most important people in your life standing up there with you as you say your vows.  The point of bridesmaids is NOT to help you plan your wedding.

    I still think you shouldn't replace her.  Especially at this juncture.  You really don't need to pick bridesmaids until 9 months from the wedding - so you kind of jumped the gun.  Give your sister some time to adjust to college. 

    You shouldn't be picking your MOH based on who will listen to you the most and who will help you the most.  Your MOH is supposed to be one of the most important people in your life.  If you sister can't help with your wedding, does that make her less important to you?  If your "bestie" is able to talk wedding with you, does that make her more important to you?  It shouldn't.

    I think the adult thing to do would be for you to tell your sister that you love her, and you couldn't imagine having anyone else be your MOH because she's your sister.  Reassure her that you won't be leaning on her to support you during your wedding planning (because really, you shouldn't need support from anybody, it's a party, it's not that difficult).  Let her know that she isn't obligated to plan any showers or bachelorette parties for you.  Tell her that your wedding will not stress her out or burden her.

    And then don't talk about the wedding with her.  Talk to her about college life, boys, parties.  Anything except for the wedding.  Be her sister, don't be a bride.

    But, if that's not why you picked her to be your MOH, then feel free to replace her, I guess.

    Edit - you posted while I was posting.  I still think you're expecting to much from her.  Teenagers are irrational and selfish.

    I do think she is being unreasonable in refusing to accept your FI, but you can't make her like him.  So don't force that on her.  It's probably really hard for her to stand up there as your MOH (or BM) when in reality she doesn't support your marriage to him.  She feels like she's losing you, and the wedding will be the "nail in the coffin."  I can see why she doesn't want to talk about it.
  • ViczaesarViczaesar member
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    edited December 2011
    I don't know where to start.  Actually, I do.  Would you please write in non text-speak?  Capitals and full words and all that?  I ask because it is really hard for me to follow your posts. 

    About her still being upset at the times your FI hurt you: that's the risk you run when you vent about your SO.  I suggest that you be careful about that in the future.

    Your text message to your sister about how you know what she's going through because you remember being a teen and the transition to being an adult sounded rather condescending to me.  But it's hard to follow any of your text messages, with all the urs and wuds and other non-words, so who knows.  But all you needed to do after she said that it wasn't a good time for her (which is the point of her first response to you; you kept pushing the issue after that) is say "Ok".  She's in a busy part of her life, and your wedding is a year away.  There really is no reason to bug her about it now at all.  You might tell her that you understand but that you'd like her opinion when she has more free time, or something like that. 



  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011

    Sorry about the crazy way I type.  When Im upset I type irratically...
    Ok so I do have a question then based on the idea that I shouldnt really talk to my sister about wedding stuff.  Who comes with dress shopping? It is my question overall, who is supposed to do all the girly stuff with me then?  It's a good thing I am making my own dress, because from what I gather, if I was dress shopping, I shouldnt expect my MOH to be there...

    So what are the duties of MOH? Is she just supposed to sit there and look pretty?  Who plans the bridal shower? I thought that was the bridesmaids.  If Im supposed to do all that, well I dont have the money so I guess I wont have a shower, nor a bachlorette party.  What am I going to do, pay for the booze that night while all the girls drink it?

    This is my point:  you guys are saying I shouldnt be expecting MOH to help out with plans, great cuz I havent.  Ive asked her opinon on stuff to involve her, but Fiance and I are doing all the planning.  His family is in MN so there's little they can do, my family is broke too. 

    Vicki you said the point of bridal parties is to support right?  Where is the support in this situation?  So I plan and pay for everything and let them all party, at my expense.  You said it's supposed to be a celebration, not a difficulty.  It's a party for them.  The reception is for everyone else.  Me and fiance already decided the only reason we having a reception is for family.  So If we are going to dish out S**tload of money for everyone else I'll Im asking is for my MOH to give me opinons.  I dont think that is over the top.  I think that is rational considering so far she hasnt done anything to help me, except for down talk my fiance.

    My bridesmaids are dear friends who already married with families.  They have a more mature perspective and so far they've agreed with me.  Both of them had MOH and bridesmaids who willingly helped if not with money then with ideas and plans.  Im not the only one to expect my closest friend/sister to be there.  This is not a foreign concept.

    So with all my ranting Im sorry if I've sounded upset, but in all honesty my sister and I never fight, so this is bad for us.

    So someone please tell me, what are the bridemaids and/or MOH duties?  Cuz if what ur telling me is that they are supposd to sit on their butts looking pretty, then screw that idea.  I grew up in a world where friends help, not hurt.

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  • vicki0508vicki0508 member
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    edited December 2011
    Actually, I said you shouldn't be leaning on your BMs for support.  It's a party.  People need support when a family member dies, or they are suffering from some sort of personal crisis.  Planning a party should not require anyone to support you.

    BM duties are to show up in the right dress, on the right day.  It's not ok for you to demand that they do anything else.  Of course, it's always appreciated and wonderful when they offer to help you with things.  The point is that you shouldn't be expecting it, and then you can be pleasantly surprised when they do help you. 

    You cannot plan your own bachelorette party or bridal shower.  Yes, BMs typically plan those, of their own volition.  You should not be planning your own parties, it's rude.  I don't anticipate your sister planning any of these parties because she's so young.  Maybe your other BMs will get together and plan them for you, maybe they won't.  FTR, I'm not having a bachelorette party or a shower. 

    It sounds like your other BMs would be great candidates for listening to your ideas and helping you plan (because they choose to help), and that's great.  You just shouldn't get all bent out of shape if you're sister doesn't want to help.
  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    Thank you for clarifying.  It's rude to plan your own parties?  Well then Im screwed.  Because my Bestie Sarah is in PA, my other friend/bridesmaid is leaving for Virginia in Aug (military family) and my 3rd bridesmaid whom is deployed right now might move to Oregon when she gets back.  It kinda sucks on my part that the friends I have are military or out of state.  So it'll certainly be hard for them to throw me any parties.  I can make due without a bridal shower, and any gifts can be given at the wedding.  But you're right about the party part, and even though my sister said she'd be DD for bachlorette party, I highly doubt she will stick to it.  SO if having a bachlorette party means getting drunk in my apt dancing to music by myself then I guess I will suffice.  I know I shouldnt be bent out of shape but I am.  I mean come on, it's human nature to be upset when someone promises help and then they desert you! That sounds melodramatic but that is how I feel.  And to slightly reply to an earlier post by Viczaesar :  how am I supposd to kindly tell her it's ok Ill talk to you when ur not busy, when she is cussing at me?

    On an off note, she is always telling me to treat her like an adult.  Ok if another adult cussed at me the way she did, I would've slapped them and told them to go do hell....
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    and that off not is not me being dramatic.  That is me being human, thinking that my sister should atleast have respect for me being older.  I dont care how mad you are, noone deserves to be cussed out and I think that is what upsets me the most is that she thinks it's ok to be that disrespectful.  Can anyone honestly say that if she cussed someone out like that in college, there wouldnt be a fight?
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  • vicki0508vicki0508 member
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    edited December 2011
    Yes - it's rude to plan parties when the purpose of the party is to honor you.  You can plan as many parties as you want, as long as they aren't all about you or wedding related.
  • ViczaesarViczaesar member
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    edited December 2011
    Here is wut I get:
    "I cant effin deal with ur s**t right now ive got my own stresses to deal with, ur wedding is a year away, chill ok"

    This is not cussing you out. You could very easily respond to this with "Okay, I'm sorry for bothering you.  I hope thinks are okay with you, let me know if you need someone to talk to.  I'd love to get your opinion about some wedding stuff when you have time."

    And frankly, you're way out of line with your attitude that your sister should have respect for you because you're older.  If my older sister pulled that attitude on me I'd laugh at her and think she's a snot.



  • ViczaesarViczaesar member
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    edited December 2011
    Forgot to mention - thank you for writing more clearly.



  • Ballars2Ballars2 member
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    edited December 2011
    If your sister has such serious concerns about your fiancé maybe you should really think about your relationship, and taking it to the next level. Also, please use proper capitalization and spelling!!!!
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    ladynfina - you got a PM
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    I edited for this forum, but there was more cussing to it.  And this is not the first time she has gone off the fly with language, so TO me it is disrespectful.  But everyone has their own opinons obviously.  I thank everyone for their imput.

    RetreadBride: thanks for your imput, I didnt stop to think much that while Im overjoyed not everyone else is.  Though Im sure Im not the only bride to overtalk her wedding, or over-dramatize everything....

    Ballar2:  I have thought seriously about my relationship and have concluded that I am marrying my fiance, not my sister.  Regardless of her issues with him, my fiance and I are very much in love and regardless of our own issues, have decided to work things out in order to get married.  So she can go on disliking him but that is not going to change the way fiance and I feel about each other.

    pizzanfries4me: what is PM?

    And on a side note, Why does everyone care about my spelling?  This is a forum where lots of people rant and lots of people spell wrong.  I didnt know I was in English class....(sorry for the sarcasm)
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    Since the theme seems to be that I am wrong and need to calm down and need to lower expectations... I can see that I do need to let the MOH and/bridesmaids do things on their own.  I will "talk shop" with those who want to listen.  Those who dont, well fine.  But that is not gonna stop me from planning now.  As I said earlier, I am a full time student.  Actually above full time.  My fiance is also a marine, so between the 2 of us, there is barely any time to plan.  That is the main reason why Im planning now.  Not to mention that our budget is extremely tight and so planning now means I can set aside each cost as it comes, not rush later on only to realize we dont have the money.
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  • ViczaesarViczaesar member
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    edited December 2011
    I already told you why your text speak and spelling were an issue for me - it's much, much harder to read and understand that kind of writing.  Proper spelling, capitalization, and punctuation help your writing make sense - that's their purpose.

    If the cussing bothers you, tell her.  Nicely.  "Sis, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I don't appreciate being cussed at." 



  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
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    edited December 2011
    Ladies, thank you all for your opinons and/or advice.  While I dont agree with everyone, I do see the points and how I was wrong to be so overly upset.  Conclusion:  Im going to "cool my heels" about MOH and bridesmaid stuff, they will do whatever they want to do in their own timing.  As for my sister, regardless of how others might feel, I am doing the dirty work of replacing her.  A good opinon was brought to me that if she isnt supportive of my marriage perhaps I picked the wrong MOH.  I agree with that.  It is right for everyone to say the point of a MOH is to be supportive and that's it.  Unfortunately my sister has been anything but that.  Im going to talk to her and try to understand her stresses and hold my tongue.  But I am also going to let her know that I dont feel comfortable about having her as MOH anymore because I need something whose supportive and whose willing to listen.  And in all the craziness of all our lives, my bff already let me know she is more than willing to be here for me, to listen to me.  SO I guess I picked the wrong MOH.

    Anyways, thank you again for all your opinons.  Im sorry if I sounded snotty or frustrated, or snippy.  Unfortunately I have the bad habit of typing how I talk, and when Im upset, it shows even in this...
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  • edited December 2011
    Lady- see the blue column on the left of this page (scroll up a bit). Under 'Community Links,' click on 'Private Messages' to read the message that pizza sent you.

    Your sister seems to be under a lot of stress right now. Since you are the older one, could you check with her to see if there might be something going on with her besides her transition between high school and college.

    She might also be resentful of the way your fi has treated you in the past. That's what happens when you share your private business with family members and friends. She is basing her feelings on the things that you have told her. Give it time.

    There's no need to replace her as your MOH. If your friend from PA wants to help you with your planning, she can do so whether she is MOH, BM or not in the wedding party at all. MOH is not a title to be bestowed on the best helper. Demoting your sister would be very hurtful.


    Good luck.
                       
  • ViczaesarViczaesar member
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    edited December 2011
    By replacing your sister, all you are doing is adding to the bad feelings between you and further damaging your relationship. 



  • zitiqueenzitiqueen member
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    edited December 2011

    Holidays sure are gonna be awkward in your family.

  • paramedic0803paramedic0803 member
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    edited December 2011
    WOW!!! And you think its "adult" to go off and slap somebody just because they cussed you out? You slap me and I'll call the police. And who is the more mature one here?
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_moh-demoted-herself?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:7cb2f9c3-374d-4289-b958-6ae4b6998eb3Post:dfe44736-6795-4936-8cb2-370a01b9433d">Re: MOH demoted herself!!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Lady- see the blue column on the left of this page (scroll up a bit). Under 'Community Links,' click on 'Private Messages' to read the message that pizza sent you. Your sister seems to be under a lot of stress right now. Since you are the older one, could you check with her to see if there might be something going on with her besides her transition between high school and college. <strong>She might also be resentful of the way your fi has treated you in the past. That's what happens when you share your private business with family members and friends. She is basing her feelings on the things that you have told her.</strong> Give it time. There's no need to replace her as your MOH. If your friend from PA wants to help you with your planning, she can do so whether she is MOH, BM or not in the wedding party at all. MOH is not a title to be bestowed on the best helper. Demoting your sister would be very hurtful. Good luck.
    Posted by MairePoppy[/QUOTE]


    THIS.  I learned my lesson in HS when I would tell my BFF at the time all the crappy things my ex bf did to me. She ended up hating his gutts and they NEVER got along after that. Lesson Number One (and this has become my golden rule now) NEVER TELL SOMEONE ABOUT U AND UR FI's RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS
    It will only come back to bite you in the butt.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_moh-demoted-herself?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:7cb2f9c3-374d-4289-b958-6ae4b6998eb3Post:44a8d147-e61e-4b4e-8b77-c0c622037462">Re: MOH demoted herself!!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]I don't know where to start.  Actually, I do.  Would you please write in non text-speak?  Capitals and full words and all that?  I ask because it is really hard for me to follow your posts.  
    Posted by Viczaesar[/QUOTE]

    <div>Thank you!!  Please use apostrophes...when you don't it makes my brain hurt!</div>
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  • edited December 2011
    In my first marriage my ex husband did some out of order things that I forgave but my family never would when you see some one you love get hurt its hard to forgive. You sound really out of line to me. Your sister is in the middle of gearing up to graduate high school and try to start college. Your missing her high school graduation which is once in a life time for your schooling but getting angry at her for the same thing. She is your sister you need to chill.
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  • jemmini6jemmini6 member
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    edited December 2011
    Some people just aren't into weddings.  It may seem like she should be helping, but MOH or not, she is probably stressed with her own life transitions right now and with your wedding being a year away, I can see where she might get a little frustrated that you want to talk to her about it (not that she couldn't have said it nicer, but just that you have to remember that no one will be as excited for your wedding as you are).

    As for the bridal shower/bachelorette parties, those are gifts thrown for you.  You cannot plan a party in your own honor becuase it seems gift grabby and rude.   Would it suck not to have those things?  Probably, but sometimes that's just the way it goes.  You just have to remember that the most important thing is that you are getting married to the man you love, pre-wedding parties or not.

    Lastly, I can fully understand your sister not liking your FI for the things he's done to you.  Honestly, that just shows me that your sister really does care about you.  If she didn't, she wouldn't care how someone has treated you.  I can really empathize with her in this situation because my sister's exH was a complete douchewad from day one.  He was very verbally abusive and short-tempered and just a complete ass.  She knew our feelings about him, but yes, we were still supportive about their marriage and hoped that things would work out for them.  5 years later they are divorced and he's an even bigger ass than he was before they got married.  I'm not saying this will happen with you, but just that your sister might actually have some valid concerns and being that she's only 19, she may not know how to verbalize those to you, so she gets an attidude when you talk about him.

    I would try to spend some time quality time together just as sisters.  Don't talk about wedding stuff or your FI unless she brings it up, ask her how things are going in her life, etc.  Regardless of if this helps her attitude towards your wedding at all, it should at least improve your relationship with each other.

    As far as the whole MOH thing, just let it go for now, you still have lots of time before your wedding and she might change her mind if your guys' relationship improves over the next several months.  If not, I don't think you should replace her, but since in one of your other posts you've said you intend to regardless of the advice you get here....just please hold off on that for another few months anyways.  It's best not to choose your WP until 6-9 months out because of how relationships can change.
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