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MOB Gone Crazy (long)

I'm sure my situation is not unique, so hopefully some can give us advice/suggestions.

My mother, for as long as I can remember, has been beating into my head she wants me to have a Cape Cod Wedding. I have no desire to have a beach wedding, we're an outdoorsy couple - we love to snowboard, go scuba diving, go running, anything!  My mom's hobbies include tanning and watching TV.  She avoids physical activity like the plague (for 28 years, she will sit in the ski lodge while my dad, brother and I go skiing for a full week) I knew that this would become a problem - she was going to turn MY wedding into HERS.  I thought I was prepared.  I'm not. 

 I got engaged ten days ago.  Three days later, my FI and I drove down to my parents house (we live in Boston, they live in CT) and right away, my mom asks if we've set a date and when we tell her no, she asks like it's the end of the world.She also asked who I asked to be in my bridal party.  I told her no one...I would make that decision once we've picked a venue/date. Again, shocked. I thought it was weird, but she was relatively well behaved.

Wednesday, my FI left for China/India for a month.  Thankfully due to modern technology, we've been able to keep in touch.  Before he left, we totally fell in love with the Stowe Mountain Resort, but we didn't have any prices. Thursday, I told my parents about this - they seemed excited & were supposed to be heading up there next week.  They offered to scout it out while they were there.  Friday, I called home.  My mom asked if I'd seen the prices of hotel rooms at SML.  She pretty much flipped out, said it was selfish of me to ask people to pay that kind of price (about $200/night) and we should look somewhere where people don't have to get  a hotel room. She said no one from the family would come. Of note, no matter where we get married, about 80% of people need a hotel as they are from DC, Chicago, NYC, California, Hawaii or INDIA. I explained the theory behind a wedding weekend - so all we can see/enjoy our friends and family who've come to our wedding!! She disagreed, saying it was rude. However, she mentioned Cape Cod has some great places to get married.  Is it just me or would everyone still need a hotel for an event on Cape Cod?? Also, she mentioned St Kitts as a destination.  Clearly, this was not about a hotel room, more location.

It only gets worse.  They came up that night to help me move in with my FI.  She was in a sour mood from the minute they showed up.  My dad mentioned how much fun Burlington, VT is, including Ben & Jerry's and many breweries.  She told me that no one wants to do any of that and she wouldn' come to the wedding.  I tried to keep my mouth shut, but I told her that this was not her wedding, it's mine so to stop trying to make it hers.  

My FI & I had originally thought our budget would be $30K (as we're also trying to buy a condo & pay off our mountains of student loans) but my parents have set aside $25,000 for us.  My dad was very clear that this does not need to be used for the wedding, but we're getting it. We started looking a few other venues online last night (shockingly, most on Cape Cod) and I mentioned something about a venue fee being expensive (~$10,000).   My mom commented that it's not expensive (???) I'm just cheap & that everyone should have a 'blast' at my cheap tacky wedding.  Thanks mom.  She then asked how much our budget was, I'm assuming to figure out what percent of this wedding was "hers".  I told her I didn't know, we had to do some number crunching & talk to the future in-laws.  As a side note, my FI is an anesthesiology & I'm a physician assistant, so we could easily pay by ourselves for something much more than our budget.

For the next 24 hours, the comments kept coming unprovoked. She told my roommate and her family about how I'm going to have a small wedding because no one wants to go to a wedding in Vermont, etc, etc. 

 I finally got my dad alone to talk & he feels awful.  He said he knows it's bad for me, but he's got to live with her!  He said he would talk to her later and for me to just keep my mouth shut about ANY plans for the wedding.  We decided to have a small reception in my parents backyard a few weeks after the wedding for those who can't come to the wedding (mainly, my 90 year old grandma and my 97 year old great uncle).  He said he'll bring that up to her later.

She also told my dad she no longer wants to go to Stowe next week on vacation.  Clearly, this is her way of telling me she doesn't want to go look at the venue.

The final straw was right before my parents were leaving. My mother has not said a word to me in about 3 hours, and out of nowhere, she says to me "So you're not having any bridesmaids?"   Both my dad and I are confused.  She explains that I told last week I wasn't having any, and it's probably a good thing since no one wants to come to Vermont.

I called my fiancee in Hong Kong who is upset because I'm upset and he would like to have SOME say in our wedding.  My dad and brother don't know how to handle my mom (since they live with/near her), but keep telling me to do what I want, don't let her ruin this time. They said they could care less where I have the wedding, but agree a fun mini destination wedding would be great.  I told my dad we weren't going to accept the money so she couldn't have a say, but he's insisting HE wants us to have it.

I'm seriously about to elope or just not get married.  I feel like my mother is acting incredibly juvenille and just downright mean and this will tear my family apart - I can't imagine dealing with this til next fall.  Any suggestions?  Has anyone's mother been like this?  Why can't she just be happy for us?

Re: MOB Gone Crazy (long)

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_mob-gone-crazy-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:a24abc35-9ce7-4279-8038-355b14060f54Post:c1d64ba4-c6c0-4dd9-ab89-31bab539d1e3">MOB Gone Crazy (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sure my situation is not unique, so hopefully some can give us advice/suggestions. My mother, for as long as I can remember, has been beating into my head she wants me to have a Cape Cod Wedding. I have no desire to have a beach wedding, we're an outdoorsy couple - we love to snowboard, go scuba diving, go running, anything!  My mom's hobbies include tanning and watching TV.  She avoids physical activity like the plague (for 28 years, she will sit in the ski lodge while my dad, brother and I go skiing for a full week) I knew that this would become a problem - she was going to turn MY wedding into HERS.  I thought I was prepared.  I'm not.   I got engaged ten days ago.  Three days later, my FI and I drove down to my parents house (we live in Boston, they live in CT) and right away, my mom asks if we've set a date and when we tell her no, she asks like it's the end of the world.She also asked who I asked to be in my bridal party.  I told her no one...I would make that decision once we've picked a venue/date. Again, shocked. I thought it was weird, but she was relatively well behaved. Wednesday, my FI left for China/India for a month.  Thankfully due to modern technology, we've been able to keep in touch.  Before he left, we totally fell in love with the Stowe Mountain Resort, but we didn't have any prices. Thursday, I told my parents about this - they seemed excited & were supposed to be heading up there next week.  They offered to scout it out while they were there.  Friday, I called home.  My mom asked if I'd seen the prices of hotel rooms at SML.  She pretty much flipped out, said it was selfish of me to ask people to pay that kind of price (about $200/night) and we should look somewhere where people don't have to get  a hotel room. She said no one from the family would come. Of note, no matter where we get married, about 80% of people need a hotel as they are from DC, Chicago, NYC, California, Hawaii or INDIA. I explained the theory behind a wedding weekend - so all we can see/enjoy our friends and family who've come to our wedding!! She disagreed, saying it was rude. However, she mentioned Cape Cod has some great places to get married.  Is it just me or would everyone still need a hotel for an event on Cape Cod?? Also, she mentioned St Kitts as a destination.  Clearly, this was not about a hotel room, more location. It only gets worse.  They came up that night to help me move in with my FI.  She was in a sour mood from the minute they showed up.  My dad mentioned how much fun Burlington, VT is, including Ben & Jerry's and many breweries.  She told me that no one wants to do any of that and she wouldn' come to the wedding.  I tried to keep my mouth shut, but I told her that this was not her wedding, it's mine so to stop trying to make it hers.   My FI & I had originally thought our budget would be $30K (as we're also trying to buy a condo & pay off our mountains of student loans) but my parents have set aside $25,000 for us.  My dad was very clear that this does not need to be used for the wedding, but we're getting it. We started looking a few other venues online last night (shockingly, most on Cape Cod) and I mentioned something about a venue fee being expensive (~$10,000).   My mom commented that it's not expensive (???) I'm just cheap & that everyone should have a 'blast' at my cheap tacky wedding.  Thanks mom.  She then asked how much our budget was, I'm assuming to figure out what percent of this wedding was "hers".  I told her I didn't know, we had to do some number crunching & talk to the future in-laws.  As a side note, my FI is an anesthesiology & I'm a physician assistant, so we could easily pay by ourselves for something much more than our budget. For the next 24 hours, the comments kept coming unprovoked. She told my roommate and her family about how I'm going to have a small wedding because no one wants to go to a wedding in Vermont, etc, etc.   I finally got my dad alone to talk & he feels awful.  He said he knows it's bad for me, but he's got to live with her!  He said he would talk to her later and for me to just keep my mouth shut about ANY plans for the wedding.  We decided to have a small reception in my parents backyard a few weeks after the wedding for those who can't come to the wedding (mainly, my 90 year old grandma and my 97 year old great uncle).  He said he'll bring that up to her later. She also told my dad she no longer wants to go to Stowe next week on vacation.  Clearly, this is her way of telling me she doesn't want to go look at the venue. The final straw was right before my parents were leaving. My mother has not said a word to me in about 3 hours, and out of nowhere, she says to me "So you're not having any bridesmaids?"   Both my dad and I are confused.  She explains that I told last week I wasn't having any, and it's probably a good thing since no one wants to come to Vermont. I called my fiancee in Hong Kong who is upset because I'm upset and he would like to have SOME say in our wedding.  My dad and brother don't know how to handle my mom (since they live with/near her), but keep telling me to do what I want, don't let her ruin this time. They said they could care less where I have the wedding, but agree a fun mini destination wedding would be great.  I told my dad we weren't going to accept the money so she couldn't have a say, but he's insisting HE wants us to have it. I'm seriously about to elope or just not get married.  I feel like my mother is acting incredibly juvenille and just downright mean and this will tear my family apart - I can't imagine dealing with this til next fall.  Any suggestions?  Has anyone's mother been like this?  Why can't she just be happy for us?
    Posted by Brownbear2013[/QUOTE]

    If you want to have total control over your wedding, don't accept their money since it obviously comes with strings. Pay for everything yourselves and keep your mother completely out of the planning. Just send her an invitation like everybody else. It's nice that your dad wants you to have the money, but it's clear she's going to just get worse if you accept it. Do you really want to accept the money and be miserable for the next year? You know that's what's going to happen.
  • She can't be happy because she needs to be in control and that's not happening here. You know her better than anyone else - is this behavior common for her? If so I think you're best off taking your dad's advice and not talking wedding plans with her. You mentioned you would be able to pay for the wedding yourselves, and from what I've heard from you on here I'd suggest you do that and use whatever money they have set aside for you towards something else. It's probably the only way you'll get any peace of mind. While I'm sure you would love your mom to be excited and supportive, if that is not happening I would focus on other family and friends who are feeling that way and try to keep things as positive as possible.
    Anniversary
  • Plan and pay for your own wedding, because your mom is probably going to fight you all the way, if she and dad contribute.
                       
  • Thanks for your advice.  To clarify, the money is a trust fund that I get either when turn 30 - it's from my father's side of the family so my mom has no claim to it (and actually did not know about it when all this started)  She would act this way regardless of who was paying for it -  any  brides to be in similiar situations?
  • Ok then, if the money is yours regardless, then have it transferred to an account that only you can access. Then you're good to go. You're a 30 year old adult woman. It's time to make your own decisions.

    You and fi should head up to the resort to get prices and make sure you really love and can afford the place. Once you sign the contract, it will be pointless for your mom to argue with you about it. Proceed with your other decisions in the same way. When mom figures out that you are perfectly capable of planning your wedding without her, she may change her attitude.

    There are plenty of lodging options in Vermont, so it would be nice if you could check out a few hotels/b&bs/lodges for your guests that might not want to spend $200+per night. Vermont in October sounds beautiful.

                       
  • I had a mom-zilla of my own, especially when I first got engaged. She calmed down after awhile. Maybe once the new-ness wears off, your mother will be more reasonable. My mom's favorite lines during our many arguments were "It's my wedding too" and "You just don't want to let us celebrate with you." So, one day when we weren't arguing, I sat her down, and told her that my wedding was mine and FI's, not hers. She had hers. It wasn't my fault my decisions were crushing her dreams, I'm not her, I don't have the same wedding visions she does. Our wedding was going to be a reflection of who we are, not what she wanted. They were my decisions to make with FI, not hers, and if she'd always dreamed of something else, that was her problem, not mine. I told her that since we were paying for it ourselves, I wasn't obligated to let her invite anyone, but I wanted her to because I knew she wanted her friends there, but if she accused me of not wanting her to celebrate again, she wouldn't get any friend invites, and she'd be left out of the planning process. After that, she got a little better. Slowly. 

    The point is, my mother is a "my way or the highway" kind of person, thrives on being in charge, is manipulative and mean. But after she realized I wasn't backing down, I was going to do what I wanted, and plans were being made without her because she fought me over everything, she backed off. Being involved in the process was more important than getting her way. Hopefully your mom comes around as well. Best of luck!
  • As others have suggested, pay for your wedding to keep it just your own.  Money always comes with strings and you will get the money eventually. 

    Turn a deaf ear to her on most things but find at least one way you can honor her opinion. Flowers would be my selection as all flowers are beautiful.
  • That happens. Your mom is very excited for you and may only at this time be able to see her vision of your wedding. You need to sit down and say this in a nice way... Everyone had their wedding and planned it based on their visions. I would like the opportunity to do the same. She may agree with you, and help you with your wedding vision.

    As for the details of the wedding, yes, people will ask about the details immediately when you are engaged. It's okay if you don't know yet. Just say, we just got engaged and haven't thought about the details yet. However, we will update you on the progress.

  • Bean dip away!  I'm learning to do this with my FMIL.  We don't agree with certain things so I just bean dip her and refuse to talk about certain areas of the wedding.  If there's no actual bean dip, try talking about the weather, flowers, a cute story you read online, anything really.  Too bad the Olympics were over, that was a fun distraction!
  • I agree with PPs. I would pay for the wedding yourself, and tell your father that if he insists on giving your and FI the money, that you'd prefer it be as a wedding gift (given on/after wedding day) so that you mother cannot use that money as a reason to control your wedding.
    Praying for a miracle!
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_mob-gone-crazy-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:a24abc35-9ce7-4279-8038-355b14060f54Post:f1ef0e83-0523-4ec0-9524-93bbe5054974">Re: MOB Gone Crazy (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Thanks for your advice.  To clarify, the money is a trust fund that I get either when turn 30 - it's from my father's side of the family so my mom has no claim to it (and actually did not know about it when all this started)  She would act this way regardless of who was paying for it -  any  brides to be in similiar situations?
    Posted by Brownbear2013[/QUOTE]

    I'm way late to this discussion, but while reading your post I was like "oh my god, our moms are twins!" Our arguments aren't over having a destination wedding or who is paying (bc we are, there never was an option for them to help), but the comments, the childish behaviour, frustration, etc. are exactly the same, so I feel your pain.

    It's tough, and I wish there was a way to make it easier. Unfortunately, the best thing I can do is try to keep her out of the picture as much as possible. It makes me very sad, but it's not surprising. She's like this about everyone and everything - unfortunately a wedding just heightens all of the emotions!
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