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maybe left out of the party?

This is going to take a bit of explaining....

Long story short, my mother has been with a guy for a few years (awesome guy, my toddler loves him and calls him grandpa and everything). He's VERY laid back. You know, the kind of guy who will go along with anything unless it bugs him, then he puts his foot down (for example, mom had 2 dogs and a cat, and he already had a few pets, and would only let her take 1 dog with when she moved in... so my husband and I got stuck caretaking the other cat and dog because we live in one of her rental houses for cheap)

ANYWAY.... she's been talking about marriage. Now, he hasn't proposed, and she said she doesn't want to propose. The guy is like "whatever" with the idea of marriage. Honestly, I think he doesn't want to get married... but he kind of just completely ignores the topic. So mom has been starting plans on her wedding. I feel like she's pushing it on her, which is SOOO like her, but that's another story.

Anyway, we had talked about this once before, but my mother has very..... selective memory? I don't have a father. Yet another long story. So when I got married, I paid my mother's flight ticket to come down to latin america and walk me down the isle (I was living abroad and got married in latin america).

My mother, in the past, has mentioned she wants her sister to be her maid of honor... which I know is silly, but it bugs me. Perhaps you'd understand better if I say... EVERY time there is a choice to be made between me and someone else, mom chooses that someone else. Her ex fiance's daughter, or my brother's ex long term gf before he came out of the closet... she'd choose to go on a trip or do something social every day off for the first couple of years of my daughter's life rather than babysit her even once. She only started watching her a few hours once a week last year. She would make any excuse at all to NOT watch my daughter or spend any time with her until she turned 3.... or to not spend any mother/daughter time with me. I extremely disliked her ex fiance's daughter because she was just about the most selfish, self centered, spoiled brat I have ever met in my life (you know, the kind that EXPECTS everyone to do everything for them... and even at 20 years old will throw a royal temper tantrum if you don't?) and when I got mad at her when I first moved back to the country, mom would stick up for her.

Basically, I'm her only daughter, and I always come 2nd or not at all in her book. So when she told me today that she didn't intend to have me in her wedding party AT ALL... I was crushed. When she asked if I was jealous of her sister... I bluntly told her, well, yeah... I'm your daughter and you don't even want to include me... it hurts!

Then she said she might consider having me in the party... but I'm going to complicate things because her boyfriend has 1 daughter and 2 sons, and she has a 2nd sister.. and then the party will have to get "big".

I don't think she understands... it doesn't matter if she just includes her older sister, or if she includes her older sister and me... her younger sister will either feel left out or not, even if she only includes her older sister.

Ok.... I'm just ranting.... I'm sorry :( I just need someone to tell me I'm not nuts for feeling hurt that she didn't even want to include me in the wedding party. I guess I should be used to it... but I guess I just want to feel like the most special person to my mom for once. She only has my brother and I... and I always feel like I'm put on the back burner. She always told me she wanted more kids... and I feel like she has done everything possible to get as many surrogate kids as possible... but in the process she always seems to forget that I actually AM her daughter. This is just the straw that broke the camal's back I guess, and I'm in tears... even though I feel foolish for it.

Anyway, to anyone who reads this, thanks for giving me a little bit of your time. Do you think I should just give up on her and let it be? Or do you think I should make it clear that her not wanting me to be the maid of honor, or even a maid at all... really hurts?

I'm in between being hurt, and not wanting anything to do with the stupid wedding she is pushing on a guy who really is not interested in getting married. I just wish someone would teach her how to love her own daughter :( Because I feel like she's a fair weather mom, unless you're not her real kid... then she can't wait to show you what a great mom she is (oh, don't worry... she brags to everyone that will listen that she is an awesome mom and grandma) She used to be a really loving mom, when I was a young kid :( But we had a lot of family problems, and I think she is partially bitter at me because of them, maybe because she knows deep down I half blame her, or maybe because deep down she blames me? I don't know.

I just want her to choose me, her own daughter, for once in my life... over everyone else. But I feel like that is never going to happen :-/

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  • This is going to take a bit of explaining....

    Long story short, my mother has been with a guy for a few years (awesome guy, my toddler loves him and calls him grandpa and everything). He's VERY laid back. You know, the kind of guy who will go along with anything unless it bugs him, then he puts his foot down (for example, mom had 2 dogs and a cat, and he already had a few pets, and would only let her take 1 dog with when she moved in... so my husband and I got stuck caretaking the other cat and dog because we live in one of her rental houses for cheap)

    ANYWAY.... she's been talking about marriage. Now, he hasn't proposed, and she said she doesn't want to propose. The guy is like "whatever" with the idea of marriage. Honestly, I think he doesn't want to get married... but he kind of just completely ignores the topic. So mom has been starting plans on her wedding. I feel like she's pushing it on her, which is SOOO like her, but that's another story.

    Anyway, we had talked about this once before, but my mother has very..... selective memory? I don't have a father. Yet another long story. So when I got married, I paid my mother's flight ticket to come down to latin america and walk me down the isle (I was living abroad and got married in latin america).

    My mother, in the past, has mentioned she wants her sister to be her maid of honor... which I know is silly, but it bugs me. Perhaps you'd understand better if I say... EVERY time there is a choice to be made between me and someone else, mom chooses that someone else. Her ex fiance's daughter, or my brother's ex long term gf before he came out of the closet... she'd choose to go on a trip or do something social every day off for the first couple of years of my daughter's life rather than babysit her even once. She only started watching her a few hours once a week last year. She would make any excuse at all to NOT watch my daughter or spend any time with her until she turned 3.... or to not spend any mother/daughter time with me. I extremely disliked her ex fiance's daughter because she was just about the most selfish, self centered, spoiled brat I have ever met in my life (you know, the kind that EXPECTS everyone to do everything for them... and even at 20 years old will throw a royal temper tantrum if you don't?) and when I got mad at her when I first moved back to the country, mom would stick up for her.

    Basically, I'm her only daughter, and I always come 2nd or not at all in her book. So when she told me today that she didn't intend to have me in her wedding party AT ALL... I was crushed. When she asked if I was jealous of her sister... I bluntly told her, well, yeah... I'm your daughter and you don't even want to include me... it hurts!

    Then she said she might consider having me in the party... but I'm going to complicate things because her boyfriend has 1 daughter and 2 sons, and she has a 2nd sister.. and then the party will have to get "big".

    I don't think she understands... it doesn't matter if she just includes her older sister, or if she includes her older sister and me... her younger sister will either feel left out or not, even if she only includes her older sister.

    Ok.... I'm just ranting.... I'm sorry :( I just need someone to tell me I'm not nuts for feeling hurt that she didn't even want to include me in the wedding party. I guess I should be used to it... but I guess I just want to feel like the most special person to my mom for once. She only has my brother and I... and I always feel like I'm put on the back burner. She always told me she wanted more kids... and I feel like she has done everything possible to get as many surrogate kids as possible... but in the process she always seems to forget that I actually AM her daughter. This is just the straw that broke the camal's back I guess, and I'm in tears... even though I feel foolish for it.

    Anyway, to anyone who reads this, thanks for giving me a little bit of your time. Do you think I should just give up on her and let it be? Or do you think I should make it clear that her not wanting me to be the maid of honor, or even a maid at all... really hurts?

    I'm in between being hurt, and not wanting anything to do with the stupid wedding she is pushing on a guy who really is not interested in getting married. I just wish someone would teach her how to love her own daughter :( Because I feel like she's a fair weather mom, unless you're not her real kid... then she can't wait to show you what a great mom she is (oh, don't worry... she brags to everyone that will listen that she is an awesome mom and grandma) She used to be a really loving mom, when I was a young kid :( But we had a lot of family problems, and I think she is partially bitter at me because of them, maybe because she knows deep down I half blame her, or maybe because deep down she blames me? I don't know.

    I just want her to choose me, her own daughter, for once in my life... over everyone else. But I feel like that is never going to happen :-/
  • I can't get past the part where he only let her take 1 of her 3 pets when she moved in, and she agreed to this. Pets are family and should not just be given away like that. 
     Did he say you can only choose one of your daughters to be in the wedding?

    Your mom has a crazy sense of priorities and values. and I would keep my distance.
  • I'm sorry that your mother isn't treating you the way that you would like.  Honestly, if she has been this way for years, and talking to her has done nothing, you might just have to let it go and distance yourself from the situation.

    If someone hurts you continuously, no matter what you do to mitigate it, then you need to start thinking about protecting yourself.  Also, if you haven't already, then you should definately talk to a pychologist.  They aren't just for crazy people.  They are for helping people through highly emotional and difficult times.  This qualifies.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_maybe-left-out-of-the-party?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:a0b9ef38-d84e-4a0b-8336-4425aa8af56cPost:64ac65b7-4d9d-428c-a169-8b820ad9d6c4">Re: maybe left out of the party?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I can't get past the part where he only let her take 1 of her 3 pets when she moved in, and she agreed to this. Pets are family and should not just be given away like that.   Did he say you can only choose one of your daughters to be in the wedding? Your mom has a crazy sense of priorities and values. and I would keep my distance.
    Posted by AndreaJulia[/QUOTE]

    It's a bit of an odd situation. My mother knew when she was dating him (before she moved in) that he didn't like having animals. He already has 2 cats that he got "stuck with" because of his kids, and he made it clear that if she wanted a serious relationship with him, that he doesn't want more animals. So even though I agree you should never ask someone to leave their pets, at the same time, he made that part of his personality crystal clear when they had their first dates.

    The thing is, my mom is just the kind of person to ignore those things. She's got the literal attitude "eh, I'll get my way somehow... I always do" (she thinks saying that is cute). So my husband and I bregrudgingly take care of them, because she claims that whent hey buy a house together (as it is, she moved into his house) he'll "have no choice". So it's supposed to be a temporary thing. They also didn't have any agreement when she moved in... she kind of pushed her way in. She would spend one night a week there, then a few nights, and just kind of brought her stuff over. When I asked if they talked about her moving in, she was like "no... but he'll deal with it".

    I'm just kind of stuck... in between telling her to forget about it as I almost don't want anything to do with her wedding... but if I were to be honest, I only want her to want me to be part of it. I just am feeling hurt.... yet at the same time I feel like I'm acting childish, and I should just let it be. I really shouldn't be surprised by this, it's just who she's become... and I know wanting your big sister to be your maid of honor isn't a bad thing, but I guess I just don't understand why someone wouldn't want their 26 year old daughter in their wedding party? Do women who marry older normally try to include their daughters? or am I just clueless how things normally work out?
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_maybe-left-out-of-the-party?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:a0b9ef38-d84e-4a0b-8336-4425aa8af56cPost:287476ce-4db1-419e-97d4-b87bd849dc04">Re: maybe left out of the party?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sorry that your mother isn't treating you the way that you would like.  Honestly, if she has been this way for years, and talking to her has done nothing, you might just have to let it go and distance yourself from the situation. If someone hurts you continuously, no matter what you do to mitigate it, then you need to start thinking about protecting yourself.  Also, if you haven't already, then you should definately talk to a pychologist.  They aren't just for crazy people.  They are for helping people through highly emotional and difficult times.  This qualifies.
    Posted by Peledreamsofrain[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for the advice. I went to one when I was  younger, but it seemed to just frustrate me at the time so I stopped. I can't afford it at the moment, but I have considered trying it again. My husband just got a new better job, so maybe I'll be able to get coverage to give it a try again :)
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_maybe-left-out-of-the-party?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:a0b9ef38-d84e-4a0b-8336-4425aa8af56cPost:50ba316c-7d18-41b4-8b27-3fd9eeabe584">Re: maybe left out of the party?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sorry your mom continues to treat you badly.  Ditto everything Pele said. I do have to ask: if the groom doesn't want to get married, is this wedding even going to happen?
    Posted by KindaSparkly[/QUOTE]

    It's an odd situation... it's more like... he doesn't care? The few times she's brought it up in front of him when I was there, his response was just "whatever". My mom kind of pushes what she wants on people, and it's pretty easy with him because he generally takes the "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't bug me" attitude. I talked to his daughter about it (I get along with his daughter really well, she's such a nice girl) and she said that last time her dad mentioned marriage it was to say he'd never do it again. When I told her my mom was talking about getting married, she was kind of shocked and said no one had mentioned anything to her.

    So... it's not so much that he does or doesn't want to get married... it's more like he's indifferent to it, and mom is making the plans taking his indifference as wanting to. I've asked her before if he WANTS to marry and her literal response was "he doesn't care. He's him... he will marry me if I want to".

    Like I said, odd situation... and odd mom.

    I've decided I'm going to let it be, but ask her not to keep coming to me for opinions either. The thing is, she was so bold as to tell me "oh, I was thinking not to put you in the party at all" while she was asking me which wedding dress I liked better in photos she sent me, and which brides maid dress would look good. Then she called me later today (after my last post) to tell me "I just thought about it... you don't have the boobs to fill that dress out anyway!" She thought it was funny but that really was too much, so I did chew her out for saying something so mean. Her response was "yeah, but I can say it, because I used to be that small too". It's not like she can make me feel bad about myself, as I'm semi-confident in my looks... but I just think that was totally inappropriate and uncalled for. For as thoughtless as she can be, even I was shocked that she would say that.

    So I've just decided it's not worth it. But I'm going to make it clear that I am also really not interested in helping her plan it either.

    Thank you guys for all the advice :) I feel a little better and less nuts now.
  • The best thing you can do for yourself in life (in my humble opinion) is to understand that the people that are specifically toxic to you are not worth poisening yourself over.  I speak from experience. It's funny, when I grew enough through lots of therapy to start actually allowing myself to have some value in my own life, those that I had allowed to run all over me for years slowly but surely dissapated towards others who would continue to let them have control.

    My "advice" for what it's worth?  Stop waiting for your mother to determine YOUR value. Surround yourself with those who already know it. It was one of the hardest journey's I've ever taken, yet I grow every day, and I see every day how my choice to stand up for myself filtered out those who only wanted things from me, and left me surrounded by the ones who truly cared. I know she's your mom. I know how hard it is to wonder why she just can't "love" you like you feel she should. That's on her, not on you. Let her plan her wedding. Let her choose who she wants to be a part of it. Understand that her choices are only a judgement on you if you allow them to be. Once you take away her power to hurt you, she no longer has the power to do so.
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  • Thank you Megannie and BartenderBW. I don't think I'll ever get my mom's reasoning, and I guess you guys are right. I keep fighting to keep a relationship with the little family I still talk to, but I suppose that's not always the best thing. To make it simple, my step father was nothing short of evil, and when things went to the police, some of my family used it to cause chaos. I've stopped talking to 2 uncles over it, and my grandma only spoke to me once before she passed away, and my brother also treated me badly as a result (in his opinion, my step father's criminal actions had nothing to do with the family splitting up, it was my fault for not lying to the police) which is why I finally gave up trying with him last year. But I guess I need to learn just not to care. I don't think the family I was born into will ever be what it used to, or what I thought it was at least.

    Hey, I'm lucky for one thing though, my in laws are awesome :D now... if only they weren't in another country, lol.

    I will definitely listen to you guys and just distance myself from the situation. And I will look into getting counseling again, because I do realize for as much as I've grown from the past, I've still got a ways to go since things like this do really get to me still.

    Thank you all for taking the time to read my posts and respond :)
  • Given all these revelations about your family, I'm sorry that you don't have the kind of relationship with your mother that you would like.

    I don't have a particularly good relationship with my mother either, for pretty much the same reason-she's a very self-absorbed, empathy-challenged person who's gotten worse over the years.  I second, third, fourth, or whatever the count is all the advice you have gotten so far about distancing yourself from your mother and family members who treat you so badly and if necessary, getting counseling or whatever other kind of help to deal with it.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_maybe-left-out-of-the-party?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:a0b9ef38-d84e-4a0b-8336-4425aa8af56cPost:dd3fdf05-3a83-4707-9e0d-4fbace76f5a3">Re: maybe left out of the party?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Given all these revelations about your family, I'm sorry that you don't have the kind of relationship with your mother that you would like. I don't have a particularly good relationship with my mother either, for pretty much the same reason-she's a very self-absorbed, empathy-challenged person who's gotten worse over the years.  I second, third, fourth, or whatever the count is all the advice you have gotten so far about distancing yourself from your mother and family members who treat you so badly and if necessary, getting counseling or whatever other kind of help to deal with it.
    Posted by Jen4948[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for the understanding. I'm a bit in shock right now. My niece (SIL's little girl) was born last night premature, and we lost her a few hours ago, so I appologize for my shortened response, I'm just a little speechless right now.

    Thank you, I normally only talk to my husband about this stuff, so sometimes I feel like I'm just over reacting. I really appreciate all the advice, you girls are a wonderful help.
  • I am so sorry about what you've gone through with your family, and doubly sorry to hear about the loss of your baby niece. Sending good thoughts to you and your sister-in-law at this sad time.
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