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GROOM POSTING! help! my fiance is crash/burning!

We have a 6 mo. engagement, wedding this June. Bride has been planning it herself (no local wedding planners and her Mom threw a fit over day of help, more on that later) and paying for it out of pocket. That alone is a lot to handle with a full time job. But on TOP of that, I haven’t been able to work during the school year( I play football because I’m going to school to be a coach.), so she’s covering my duties as well (found and pays rent for our house, utilities, and furnishing appliances). Bride moved back home with her family between graduating college and the wedding, while I live in the house vs. going to my family home 4 hrs away. Her whole paycheck is gone before she gets it. She’s doing a really great job. And she is so laid back about the wedding. She arranged it so that we can didn’t have to limit our guest list at all (awesome, bc my family is 3x the size of hers and our list climbed into the hundreds, ntm my football team). She designed and printed all the paper stuff herself, she even ordered a bridesmaids dress in white instead of a real wedding gown for herself so that it would be one of a kind and save the budget for more important things. The wedding is going to be so cool, but I’m worried about her stress level. Her MOH isn’t around, actually none of her bridesmaids are, 2 of who are my sisters. And her family isn’t making it easy. Her Mother is contributing one item under 100$ every month. Most months she’s only given 20 or so, ½ the postage, for example. Bride would say that it’s more than they have to do and that its gracious. But when Bride mentioned that she may use a possible bonus from a project to hire a college kid to help out on the big day, a few hundred bucks, her Mom threw a fit and said that ”if you have that kind of money to throw around, I just want all mine back”. Her Aunt is CRAZY beyond belief and is emotionally terrorizing her, and literally trying to have a “My Baby vs. Your Wedding, Battle Royale”. Her baby is due MONTHS after the wedding, but she asked her to reschedule the wedding because she predicted it was coming on our exact wedding day initially, and scheduled all her showers (way to many for a 2nd kid) during Bride’s important dates and showers. Her father, whom she is close to, has been distant and disapproving ( said her “June Bride” sweatshirt-that she made- seemed needy), and even though he’s a chef, and they had looked forward to planning a menu together, he told her to find someone else. AND during premarital counseling my pastor and his wife put her down very badly for the entire two hours, I rarely see her cry but she did, the whole time. They even told her she had to redo her entire workbook, because they weren’t satisfied. And… she has to get her wisdom teeth pulled. We’ve got 5 weeks to go.

 

It sounds like the worst time a bride could have. She seems to not want to talk about planning at all, sleeps a lot, and isn’t really herself. She seems really down, I don’t know how she can even be looking forward to a wedding (other than getting it over with) anymore and I’m terrified she’ll call it off. What can I do? She gives me jobs to do, registries, music, seating, but I have to ask so many questions that it doesn’t really take a load off at all. How can I help her, what can I do to cheer her up and get her back to her normal self. She’s got a brave face on but I’m not sure she can hold up. Sorry that's long! I need helpf rom other brides for perspective, thx for responding!

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  • zsazsa-stlzsazsa-stl member
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    I'll come back when somoene adds paragraphs for me.
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  • **O-Face****O-Face** member
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    I refuse to read that wall of rambling text.
  • HeffalumpHeffalump member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_groom-posting-fiance-crashburning?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:14fda5be-775f-458b-b460-c977d1819d40Post:0b369dec-d80e-4be2-864e-6a9aa01f3a07">GROOM POSTING! help! my fiance is crash/burning!</a>:
    [QUOTE]We have a 6 mo. engagement, wedding this June. Bride has been planning it herself (no local wedding planners and her Mom threw a fit over day of help, more on that later) and paying for it out of pocket. That alone is a lot to handle with a full time job. But on TOP of that, I haven’t been able to work during the school year( I play football because I’m going to school to be a coach.), so she’s covering my duties as well (found and pays rent for our house, utilities, and furnishing appliances). Bride moved back home with her family between graduating college and the wedding, while I live in the house vs. going to my family home 4 hrs away. Her whole paycheck is gone before she gets it. She’s doing a really great job. And she is so laid back about the wedding. She arranged it so that we can didn’t have to limit our guest list at all (awesome, bc my family is 3x the size of hers and our list climbed into the hundreds, ntm my football team). She designed and printed all the paper stuff herself, she even ordered a bridesmaids dress in white instead of a real wedding gown for herself so that it would be one of a kind and save the budget for more important things. The wedding is going to be so cool, but I’m worried about her stress level. Her MOH isn’t around, actually none of her bridesmaids are, 2 of who are my sisters. And her family isn’t making it easy. Her Mother is contributing one item under 100$ every month. Most months she’s only given 20 or so, ½ the postage, for example. Bride would say that it’s more than they have to do and that its gracious. But when Bride mentioned that she may use a possible bonus from a project to hire a college kid to help out on the big day, a few hundred bucks, her Mom threw a fit and said that ”if you have that kind of money to throw around, I just want all mine back”. Her Aunt is CRAZY beyond belief and is emotionally terrorizing her, and literally trying to have a “My Baby vs. Your Wedding, Battle Royale”. Her baby is due MONTHS after the wedding, but she asked her to reschedule the wedding because she predicted it was coming on our exact wedding day initially, and scheduled all her showers (way to many for a 2 nd kid) during Bride’s important dates and showers. Her father, whom she is close to, has been distant and disapproving ( said her “June Bride” sweatshirt-that she made- seemed needy), and even though he’s a chef, and they had looked forward to planning a menu together, he told her to find someone else. AND during premarital counseling my pastor and his wife put her down very badly for the entire two hours, I rarely see her cry but she did, the whole time. They even told her she had to redo her entire workbook, because they weren’t satisfied. And… she has to get her wisdom teeth pulled. We’ve got 5 weeks to go.   It sounds like the worst time a bride could have. She seems to not want to talk about planning at all, sleeps a lot, and isn’t really herself. She seems really down, I don’t know how she can even be looking forward to a wedding (other than getting it over with) anymore and I’m terrified she’ll call it off. What can I do? She gives me jobs to do, registries, music, seating, but I have to ask so many questions that it doesn’t really take a load off at all. How can I help her, what can I do to cheer her up and get her back to her normal self. She’s got a brave face on but I’m not sure she can hold up. Sorry that's long! I need helpf rom other brides for perspective, thx for responding!
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  • 6fsn6fsn member
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    How about picking up slack elsewhere?  Stand up to the pastor and his wife while they are berating her.  Pay some bills.  Tell her mom to back off.  Don't invite your football team and add to the stress.
  • HeffalumpHeffalump member
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    Also, why does everyone but you (including her own parents) seem to hate your FI?
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    If you're real, you can start by getting a job. Football shouldn't take up ALL OF YOUR TIME.
  • 6fsn6fsn member
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    cliff's notes- the bride is doing everything and the groom doesn't seem to know how to pick up any slack.
  • JonrittaJonritta member
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    Thistletwat: refuse to read, that's fine, why post about it? But then, you obviously did read it afterall. Football does not take up all my time, but its makes it awkward to work around. I'm busy during work hours. I have a great summer job, start tomorrow in roofing.

    Heffalump: I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that there is something worng with my fiance. Its not as is no one "likes" her, its just that no one is helpful, her aunt is that mean to everyone, and with my pastor, its a "liberal" vs; "conservative" issue. My fiance is kind to everyone and the most selfless person I've ever met, the post wouldn't be half that long if I weren't trying to show that. she's not a bridezilla, scaring away family and friends.

    Thank you for contructive help.
  • zsazsa-stlzsazsa-stl member
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    Thanks zzilla!

    You seem very up on the lingo for being a clueless groom on your first post, but I'll play along and ask questions: 

    What did your pastor and his wife criticize her for over that two hours? 

    Why can't you get a PT job?  It sounds like you are at the point that even an extra $20/week would be a big help.


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    I'm sticking by my first assumption.
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  • lharri12lharri12 member
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    IF this is a real post, for starters, don't invite your entire football team to the wedding!!  That is totally unnecessary and only adds more stress for your bride!  Second, get off your lazy butt and get a job.  I doubt that football takes 40 hours out of your week, but even if it does, you can get a part-time job.  Geez.  I really hope this is fake.

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  • Butter CookieButter Cookie member
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    Either her family and your pastor suck or your fiancee has some real issues.

    If you're insisting on marrying her you should advise her not to share any information with her AW aunt, follow Dad's advice and find another caterer (because, really, he'll look like the douche when someone says, "Why didn't you cater this Joe?") and you two need to find a new pastor and church.

    A pastor nor his spouse should ever let their political views get in the way of faith and spirituality. Unless in the counseling session she said, "Hey, I like to kill puppies, and if I ever get pregnant I'm going to do so much crack I have a spontaneous abortion" they're stepping way over the line.

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  • JonrittaJonritta member
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    I don't have a job during the school year, except for a work study Job cutting football film. I DO have a full time job now. Roofing.

    o-face: what does MUD mean?

    As for pastor, My fiance is a Christian Counselor too, and they just really disagreed on some issues. He's real conservative and didn't like her opinion on women. THe workbook they gave us said alot about women being staying attractive, doing housework, getting allowances from the guy . She doesn't agree with that. I wrote him a letter after that said that counseling was for both of us, nt just her, and that she knows what she;s talking about, so maybe listen instead of just jump down her throat. But we still have more sessions to go.

  • Butter CookieButter Cookie member
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    I'd still leave. Totally unprofessional.
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    And by the way, in my (granted, non-christian) experience, ministers are supposed to inspire, and remind you of God's love, not make you ashamed for wearing a poly-cotton blend.
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  • JonrittaJonritta member
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    also, 'the duckis" : pls don't post anything like that on anyone elses questions. That;s not for you to assume. and marrying after finishing college is pretty normal I think, as far as age goes. adn i dont thi nk they "dissaprove" (especially not friends or sisters) as much as they are just selfish or as my fiance would say"have their own lives to worry about"
  • zsazsa-stlzsazsa-stl member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_groom-posting-fiance-crashburning?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:14fda5be-775f-458b-b460-c977d1819d40Post:66234d0f-8ebd-4d5d-ab49-8d79c2674df2">Re: GROOM POSTING! help! my fiance is crash/burning!</a>:
    [QUOTE]And by the way, in my (granted, non-christian) experience, ministers are supposed to inspire, and remind you of God's love, not make you ashamed for wearing a poly-cotton blend.
    Posted by Butter Cookie[/QUOTE]

    ^^this^^
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    Where exactly does one go to play football all day, unpaid, for a job they might never get?  I don't understand how this aids a college degree.

    As for the rest of it, the answer is easy.  Wait to get married when you have more money.

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_groom-posting-fiance-crashburning?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:14fda5be-775f-458b-b460-c977d1819d40Post:bd82e223-ded6-40ff-80aa-b180f98b0a87">Re: GROOM POSTING! help! my fiance is crash/burning!</a>:
    [QUOTE]THe workbook they gave us said alot about women being staying attractive, doing housework, getting allowances from the guy . She doesn't agree with that.
    Posted by Jonritta[/QUOTE]

    Do you agree with that part of the workbook?  If not, then listen to Butter Cookie and find a new church.  There are plenty out there that don't preach that rhetoric in regards to women's roles.

    If you do agree with it, then the two of you need to have a serious discussion about your relationship, because you are in for a long, hard road.
  • TheDuckisTheDuckis member
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    You asked a question on a public message board. I gave an answer based on the information you provided.

    And actually, the median age for 1st marriages in the United States in 2007 is 27.7 for men, and 26.0 for women. It hasn't been 22 (average age of a college graduate) since 1980, so marrying straight out of college isn't "normal." There's also evidence that you're brain isn't fully developed until 25, so there's a strong case for waiting a few years. Especially for a couple who doesn't seem to have support from their family or their church. 


  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_groom-posting-fiance-crashburning?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:14fda5be-775f-458b-b460-c977d1819d40Post:bc9a662c-9d93-4110-91e0-4bd6df18eed7">Re: GROOM POSTING! help! my fiance is crash/burning!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Thistletwat: refuse to read, that's fine, why post about it? But then, you obviously did read it afterall. Football does not take up all my time, but its makes it awkward to work around. I'm busy during work hours. I have a great summer job, start tomorrow in roofing.
    Posted by Jonritta[/QUOTE]

    There are plenty of jobs that happen during "off hours." Plenty of part time paying jobs. Your FI is stressed because she has no money and is trying to plan an event on her own. You aren't helping her. You refuse to take any responsibility in this situation. She's not even living in the house she's paying for. Think about that for a second.
  • ladybug608ladybug608 member
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    Oh Jonritta to be in love in such a public way and to introduce God love into the marriage is sacred and wonderful and only you can know the true wonder of it all! Please do the entire workbook and then reflect upon your answers because one day you will need some good advice on being married and your workbook answers will help you to remember what brought you to Jesus and God and your woman who is the receptacle of your overflowing chalis of love in which you pour your soul into in a loving way and sometimes sexual also. The pastor is a wise and educated man so perhaps you should also reflect on the things he has said as a way to learn and grow as people and lovers and Christians because of the love you all will share because there is you and your soon to be wife and Jesus in bed together as we learn in our counseling sessions. Good luck and keep us posted!
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  • JonrittaJonritta member
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    wow. lady bug. I can see why you think my pastor is so wise. but I agree with my fiance that that is based on a cultural misconception not biblical truth. The bible has women doing housework because that's the way it was back then. Not because that was gods will. do you think men should just farm or be tax collectors or fishermen bc those were common biblical occupations?

    Lets be clear I HAVE A JOB NOW. we both went to a private christian college, thats where i play football. and It's not like I want to play pro ball for a living. I major in sports management, gettinga job in coahing college ball is my goal.

    the Duckis. great stats. no really. my fiance literally quoted those stats to me a while ago (and I think she said they were from cosmo. could be wrong). Since I never said my age or my fiance;s I'm wondering why you assume we're young? My fiance is a counselor..."college" for her includes some grad school. and I'm a non-trad. student, I worked and saved to go to school before actually going.

    I really just want to know how to make my bride feel like its her special day still. I think shes woorkign to hard to make everyone else (self included) happy.
  • **O-Face****O-Face** member
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    Holy hell. 
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  • **O-Face****O-Face** member
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    Try to alleviate some of her tasks by taking them on.  Help with RSVPS, decorations, DIYing things.  Just little things.  Get her a spa day, say you appreciate her...I could go on and on.

    MUD=made up drama.  Though I'm not sure now.
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  • JonrittaJonritta member
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    I like that spa day idea. believe it or not she has never gone for a manicure or any thing like that ever. I'm not sure whether or not spending the money and time on non wedding stufff would be less tress. she's a get-it-done type girl.
    I know she still has DIY to do, I'm not sure I can help. Its wierd because she's also an aritist (hobby-wise but also legit and proffessional) and the stuff she's done looks like we paid hundreds of dollars on it (invitations and those things, ans veil and jewelry that look bought, not made) so you can tell a big difference between hers and my work.

  • edited December 2011

    You are going to be a terrible husband. Buying her a spa day =/= getting off your ass and HELPING her with things.

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