since the spiral thingies met w/ my approval, and meijer had a 'buy one goody product, get one free' sale this weekend, i decided to expand things.
I bought the mini spirals (which don't work quite as well for a 'full' bun but work better for 'mini buns') and a 'simple style updo' thingy.
this:
http://www.amazon.com/Goody-Simple-Styles-Modern-Updo/dp/B003FV82VAI was all 'goody makes stuff that works via black magic' so figured it was worth a shot...
so not worth a shot.
Not utterly useless but the only way I can get it to stay in well is to pinch things so badly that they hurt my head.
So, spirals = black magic.
u-shaped-dojobby = useless bit o metal.
And I have a hair dye story to follow up with, once I get a minute.