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Wedding Party gender issues

Hello everyone! I posted this question over at the customs and traditions board, but I thought I'd try over here as well.

We recently had our first meeting with the church wedding coordinator, and we secured our date! However, while going over the wedding policies handbook, my FI noticed that the church has a policy for wedding parties, specifically that the groomsmen must be men, the bridesmaids must be women, and there must be an equal number on both sides.

This surprised me, as I have never encountered such a rule before. In fact, at my sister's Catholic wedding (granted at a different church and in a different archdioceses), my brother-in-law had a woman standing up with him as a groomsman.

My FI had already asked one of his best friends, who is also a woman, to stand up with him as his best man. When he hestitantly asked whether the gender policy was a hard and fast rule, the wedding coordinator cited "tradition and symbolism" and stated that his friend would have to stand with me.

Obviously, my FI is upset about this turn of events, and I'm at a loss. FI is not Catholic, but agreed to a Catholic ceremony because it was important to me. I don't want this to become something that taints the day for him, but I'm not sure how to approach the issue next. Has anyone ever encountered this before? Any suggestions on how to proceed? We plan on talking to the priest at some point, but I want to be prepared to put my best foot forward!

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  • Can you ask the priest who will be performing the ceremony why this is important beyond "symbolism and tradition"?  I'd try explaining that it's really important that you both have your closest, most supportive-of-your-marriage friends by your sides and ask what their reasoning is for not allowing it.

    I hate confrontation myself, so I don't know what I'd do in your shoes.  If the priest doesn't give you a reason that you can accept, consider asking if this is a Diocese standard or if it's just a preference at this parish.  Then I might ask if this comes from Catholic doctrine.

    I'd also consider finding anothe parish that allows you to have the wedding party that you want.
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  • I wish I had some advice other than to just ask again (maybe even ask the coordinator again) for clarity's sake.  I don't understand either why it would be an issue for a woman to stand on the groom's side or a man to stand on the bride's side.  It's about your best friends and witnesses to your marriage.

    I would say to be persistent but gracious!  Good luck!
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  • I've also never heard of the "rule" that there must be an equal number of bridesmaids and groomsmen. Seems pretty ridiculous to me. I would be persistent but try to keep in mind that at the end of the day, all that matters is that you will be married.
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  • ugh! I have NEVER heard of that... what a weird rule! ("tradition?" the whole idea of even HAVING a wedding party is far less than a century old! What sort of tradition is that?! "Symbolism?" Ask them what it's symbolizing. I doubt they can come up with anything.) This church needs to get its priorities in order and spend time worrying about things that MATTER. 

    So if they don't budge... Can you really not find a way to work it out? Just have her stand on your side for the ceremony? She can stand on his side for the entire rest of the day!

    There is NO Catholic rule that says the two witnesses MUST be a man and a woman - tell them that, and point out that if it actually mattered, don't they think the Church would have made a rule about it?
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  • I know, this is so strange to me. I really love my church, and the priest, and I don't want to look for a new parish, but I'm just baffled. My mom was also surprised. So far the universal reaction has been: "Huh...weird. Really?"
  • There are a few things going here that might be at play:

    There are canonical restrictions set by the church (vatican), then there are diocesan restrictions, then each priest/deacon has some latitute in having more requirements regarding marriage prep and liturgy. 

    Some priests require an extra class with TOB for marriage prep. Some of them might require a catholic in the wedding party, having them play a bigger part as a sacramental witness than merely signing a marriage license, but attesting to the readiness of the couple-- in some ways, like a Godparent. 

    -So in Baptism, there can be a man and a woman God parent. While there is not a canonical restriction for this as the 2 witnesses in marriage, a priest may decide to have this role play a bigger part. It is the priest's perogative to do this.

    --Calling her a "best man" is an issue. Stop calling her that. 

    -Remember that you are becoming one, no longer two. So both sides are witnessing a unification, not a division. It really doesn't matter whose "Side" she is on, because there is really only one "side."

    -- instead of having sides, perhaps having the wedding party be called "sacramental witnesses" and standing as a group, or as couples on either side rather than divided by gender. 

    All this being said, you can talk to the priest about it, and ask, in a charitable way, about this rule. Perhaps the coordinator is just streamlining like every other wedding. But as I said before, don't call her a "best man" . 
  • @TXKristen: you are so sweet! I can only conclude, based on my own research (and now yours) that this is strictly a parish or archdiocese preference, and not based on canonical tradition.

    @agapecarrie: What should we call her? I understand what you're saying, and actually the coordinator gave us a similar spiel about how it shouldn't matter what side she stands on because she's there to support our union. My problem with it is that he wants her to be his principal witness, so to speak, like a best man would be, and like my sister will be as my matron of honor. We will have her witness our marriage certificate, and she'll play all the traditional best man roles throughout the day outside of the ceremony. You're right, of course, that it doesn't really matter where she stands. But I also understand that my FI wants his best friend at his side as his attendant, just like I want my sister at mine.
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    "best woman"?
    ETA: (lol, but shouldnt that be the bride?)
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  • About "best woman"... I think that's the weird "feeling" underlying that is why it might be discouraged . His best woman is the bride.
  • "honor attendant"?

    I'm sorry I have nothing more pertinent to add.
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    [QUOTE]Perhaps "Best Maid"? BTW, I always found it funny that the groom is not referred to as the "best man" since he's getting married.
    Posted by TXKristan[/QUOTE]

    Jerry Seinfeld has a thing about this..."if he's the best man, why is she marrying the other guy?"
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  • I'd just call them all "honor attendants".

    As for the Church - I'd try to find out logistically the "what" and "where" for your bridal party. Some churches don't even have the MOH/BM stand in the sanctuary. Some have them all off to one side along with the bride and groom. If the problem can be solved by just having everyone sit on side, then you don't need to worry about forcing the issue.

    You could also opt to just have them sit in the first pew along the aisle, and then they can come up as needed. This way they can sit on whichever side you want.
  •  My problem with it is that he wants her to be his principal witness, so to speak, like a best man would be, and like my sister will be as my matron of honor.

    your church witnesses usually have to be catholic.  is this girl catholic?  if not, then she may not be allowed to be his church witness anyway.

    depending uypon your state, you might not even need signatures on your weddign license.  MA does not require it, and other states dont either.  but some do.
  • Really? We weren't given any requisites regarding the religion of the witnesses.
  • Our honor attendants were not required to be Catholic.

    They're not even required at all in Texas.
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  • My H was "man of honor" for his sister. H and I had more bridesmaids than groomsmen. These definitely seem like parish or diocesan rules. I def think it's a good idea to talk to your priest. If nothing else, he should hopefully be able to explain it in a way that makes you feel better about it.

     

  • My aunt was "best thing" for my uncle (her brother) in his Catholic church wedding. We all hated that term at the time too, but that's what they called her. I think "honor attendants" is better. But really, ask the priest about the reason behind the rule. Once you get an answer from him, if it's still no, we'd be happy to help you brainstorm some other plans.
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  • You guys are awesome, thanks for all your help! (I particularly liked "Best Thing" heh). We'll give it a shot with the priest and see what happens.
  • Has anyone suggested "lady of honor" or "woman of honor"? (or if either she or the maid of honor is married, then you could call one "maid" and one "matron" of honor.)
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    [QUOTE]What should we call her?
    Posted by wuchea[/QUOTE]
    We're calling my main guy the 'man of honor' and his woman 'best maid'.

    (Our situation would cause a lot of people to have a conniption fit, however, as my man of honor is transgendered and marginally identified as female for the first eleven years that I knew him, heh.)

  • TK Kristen, I am interested in the Facebook group.  Please send me the info or an invite! 
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