Pope Francis

beachwed10

Argentina's Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio.
I'm actually super excited that he is our first non-European pope!

Calypso1977

i am very excited that the new pope is from somewhere other than Europe.

beachwed10

Me too! I really think it will help the Church move on from the scandal that has seem to taken headlines in the past decade.  Someone considered an outsider.

itzMS

I was just jumping around my office. Everyone thought I was nuts.

Prayers to Pope Francis!

muenginerd

A Jesuit Pope!  I'm very excited!

beachwed10

So I've been reading about Pope Francis and I am encouraged by his relatively "progressive" views on homosexuality teaching that all people should be respected in their individual beliefs while maintaining that the church does not condone it.
However, I am slightly bothered that he feels adoption by gay couples is discrimination against the children.

professorscience

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[QUOTE]So I've been reading about Pope Francis and I am encouraged by <strong>his relatively "progressive" views on homosexuality teaching that all people should be respected in their individual beliefs while maintaining that the church does not condone it.</strong> However, I am slightly bothered that he feels adoption by gay couples is discrimination against the children.
Posted by beachwed10[/QUOTE]

<div>I feel like this is the prevailing attitude of most Catholics.  At least of the ones I have met.</div>

Karen's MOH

Has there been anything saying why he chose the name Francis? I'm guessing Francis Xavier, since he is a Jesuit, but could also be from St. Francis of Assisi? 

beachwed10

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[QUOTE]Has there been anything saying why he chose the name Francis? I'm guessing Francis Xavier, since he is a Jesuit, but could also be from St. Francis of Assisi? 
Posted by Karen's MOH[/QUOTE]

St. Francis of Assisi

beachwed10

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : I feel like this is the prevailing attitude of most Catholics.  At least of the ones I have met.
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]

Most Catholics you meet, yes. But that has never been the official church position.

professorscience

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[QUOTE]Has there been anything saying why he chose the name Francis? I'm guessing Francis Xavier, since he is a Jesuit, but could also be from St. Francis of Assisi? 
Posted by Karen's MOH[/QUOTE]

<div>I mentioned this in my last class of the day, that it says a lot that he chose not to name himself after a previous pope, and one young man said, "That he's not from Europe?"</div>

Resa77

I, too, think it'll be good for the Church to have the first non-European pope in so long.  I don't know a ton about him, but I'm excited! 

professorscience

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : Most Catholics you meet, yes. But that has never been the official church position.
Posted by beachwed10[/QUOTE]

<div>I disagree.  You stated that this pope believes all humans should be treated with dignity and respect.  This is a major tenet of the Catholic faith.</div>

monkeysip

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : Most Catholics you meet, yes. But that has never been the official church position.
Posted by beachwed10[/QUOTE]

That has always been the Church position.  Read the catechism section on it:

<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357" rel="nofollow">http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357</a>

(One excerpt below)

<span class="text"><strong>2358</strong> The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. </span>


I too am really excited about Pope Francis, who technically is not the first non-european.  We've had some from the near east/north africa before.  But it's been like 1200 years or something.

I hope he's exactly the pope we need right now!  And while he may have chosen Francis because of Xavier, I can't help but think of God's message to St. Francis, "rebuild my church!"

Chloeagh

Eeeeek! I'm way more excited than I thought I would be. I also think a non-European pope will be great.

bibliophile2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : That has always been the Church position.  Read the catechism section on it: <a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357" rel="nofollow">http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357</a> (One excerpt below) 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. I too am really excited about Pope Francis, who technically is not the first non-european.  We've had some from the near east/north africa before.  But it's been like 1200 years or something. I hope he's exactly the pope we need right now!  <strong>And while he may have chosen Francis because of Xavier, I can't help but think of God's message to St. Francis, "rebuild my church!</strong>"
Posted by monkeysip[/QUOTE]

Had not thought of this, but love, love, love too much not to thank you!!!!

professorscience

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : Had not thought of this, but love, love, love too much not to thank you!!!!
Posted by bibliophile2010[/QUOTE]

<div>Agree!</div>

Calypso1977

Not condoning a lifestyle does not equate with hate of an individual.

beachwed10

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : That has always been the Church position.  Read the catechism section on it: <a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357" rel="nofollow">http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357</a> (One excerpt below) 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. I too am really excited about Pope Francis, who technically is not the first non-european.  We've had some from the near east/north africa before.  But it's been like 1200 years or something. I hope he's exactly the pope we need right now!  And while he may have chosen Francis because of Xavier, I can't help but think of God's message to St. Francis, "rebuild my church!"
Posted by monkeysip[/QUOTE]

I have read this before, actually multiple times through many religion classes over my 12 year Catholic school education.  It was always explained to us that the Church's teaching is respect and compassion for a person having homosexual feelings but that acting upon those feelings and leading a homosexual lifestyle was not cause for compassion or necessary of respect, in fact it was looked down upon and a damnable act.  From what I have read of Pope Francis thus far that is where he differs in that he is quoted as respect and compassion for their choice to live that lifestyle.

Also, I was talking about in modern times, the first non-European pope and he has made it public he chose it for St. Francis of Assisi

newlyseliski

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[QUOTE]And while he may have chosen Francis because of Xavier, I can't help but think of God's message to St. Francis, "rebuild my church!"
Posted by monkeysip[/QUOTE]

<div>Apt quote!!  Quite possibly, he chose the name from both.  Pope Francis has a lot of work ahead of him and many prayers on their way!  So excited :)</div>

Resa77

So, does today count as a big enough celebration to, for instance, forego your lenten penance?  I just can't imagine not being able to have a celbratory glass of champagne tonight to toast the new pope!

libby18bell

A Jesuit priest takes the name of the founder of the Franciscans and he's from Argentina, this Catholic likes.  He is the first pope from South America.

monkeysip

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : I have read this before, actually multiple times through many religion classes over my 12 year Catholic school education.  It was always explained to us that the Church's teaching is respect and compassion for a person having homosexual feelings but that acting upon those feelings and leading a homosexual lifestyle was not cause for compassion or necessary of respect, in fact it was looked down upon and a damnable act.  From what I have read of Pope Francis thus far that is where he differs in that he is quoted as respect and compassion for their choice to live that lifestyle. Also, I was talking about in modern times, the first non-European pope and he has made it public he chose it for St. Francis of Assisi
Posted by beachwed10[/QUOTE]

Pope Francis still recognizes that homosexual actions are wrong, and you can't respect a wrong action anymore than you can respect someone's choice to steal or lie, etc. 

But you must always respect PEOPLE.  It's the whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" idea.  The Church has always maintained that.  Homosexual actions are wrong, but people who live homosexual lifestyles are still God's children, made in his image, and worthy of love and respect.

s-aries8990

I'd just like to say that I'm already sick of the FB posts aboout the Church being backwards in regard to their stance on gay marriage, contreception, abortion and female priests. There is a REASON why there are other well known Christian sects that have deviated from the Catholic Church. HELLO!!! I mean, no disrespect to the beliefs of the Church, but I have several things that I firmly disagree with, but just because I'm against that teaching DOESN'T mean that the teaching is "stupid" or "outdated." It is well thought out and founded in years of reflection by many. Jeezum Crow!

I felt that I could vent to you ladies.

professorscience

My SIL informs me that Pope Francis has a degree in Chemistry.  I approve.

Also, Kristan:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=169775609838856&set=a.100239920125759.354.100237920125959&type=1&theater

Resa77

Well I might just have to do that!  I was planning on going to confession and adoration tonight, but now I'm wondering if it'll be exceptionally crowded?  I'll give it a shot, I guess.  And then I'll go get my wine!!

Chloeagh

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[QUOTE]My SIL informs me that Pope Francis has a degree in Chemistry.  I approve. Also, Kristan: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=169775609838856&set=a.100239920125759.354.100237920125959&type=1&theater" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=169775609838856&set=a.100239920125759.354.100237920125959&type=1&theater</a>
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]
OMG REALLY? I mean, biology is the superior science major, but that is awesome!

professorscience

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : OMG REALLY? I mean, biology is the superior science major, but that is awesome!
Posted by Chloeagh[/QUOTE]

<div>Haha, being a Bio teacher, I agree.  :p</div>

monkeysip

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : Conveniently, tomorrow is a solemnity on St. Joseph's Day... so it's definitely celebration time!!!  I like Kristan's idea of getting some Argentinian wine :)
Posted by newlyseliski[/QUOTE]

St. Joseph's solemnity is the 19th....

Chloeagh

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : Haha, being a Bio teacher, I agree.  :p
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]
I do give serious props to chem majors, though. Organic chemistry almost killed me.

CrazyCatLady3

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pope Francis : That has always been the Church position.  Read the catechism section on it: <a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357" rel="nofollow">http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357</a> (One excerpt below) 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible.<strong> This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.</strong> They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from <strong>their condition</strong>. I too am really excited about Pope Francis, who technically is not the first non-european.  We've had some from the near east/north africa before.  But it's been like 1200 years or something. I hope he's exactly the pope we need right now!  And while he may have chosen Francis because of Xavier, I can't help but think of God's message to St. Francis, "rebuild my church!"
Posted by monkeysip[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>It's nice that the church calls for compassion and respect, but to refer to homosexuality as a "condition" makes it sounds like a disease.  Rather, it's a minority chararacteristic/inclination, like being left-handed, and is no more of a disease than such.

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