"Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*)

lalaith50

[QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*) : I have been directed to and read 1 book and I think 2 articles that I saw on these boards. I just also read ones like the ones I quoted.<strong> Why is it a problem that I can read books/articles and it does not change my mind but it's not a problem that you won't change your mind.</strong> I don't see it as a problem that you won't change your mind because that is your belief and you have every right to it but <strong>many catholics believe that Catholics you feel as I do should leave</strong>. And agape, I never said the church or bible was wrong...I said mans interpretation of it might be wrong. There is a big difference. Many people (not anyone on these boards) use the bible as an excuse to spread hate.
Posted by pretzelgrrl[/QUOTE]
Because, as you already said, your beliefs are rooted in <em>feelings,</em> whereas mine are rooted in <em>faith.</em><div><em>
</em></div><div>And, I actually don't believe that I've ever said I think Catholics like you <em>should</em> "leave." (However, I am honestly baffled at why people like you would <em>want</em> to stay in the Church...There's loads of other churches that are way more fun- and even usually have much better music, like the Anglicans - and allow their people to "pick and choose" what to believe. Weren't most of them <em>started</em> as a result of someone's inability to have faith and desire to simply follow their "feelings?") </div><div>I actually hope that you <em>don't</em> leave the Church. I do hope that you are able to grow in faith and sincerely open your heart to what God wants us to believe and how to obey, rather than trying to determine what you <em>think</em> he teaches based on your preconceived notions, especially instead of trying to "change" the Church. (Not sure if you actually desire to do this; many Catholics with your beliefs do, and they're wasting their time. Doctrine and dogma do not - cannot - change.)</div>

agapecarrie

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_pick-and-choose-catholic-potentially-hot-topic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:72e62bbd-5610-43a0-9b7d-180f71dc3455Post:aa3992ee-a7c9-4ce8-bc85-3405d95326d4">Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*) : I have been directed to and read 1 book and I think 2 articles that I saw on these boards. I just also read ones like the ones I quoted. Why is it a problem that I can read books/articles and it does not change my mind but it's not a problem that you won't change your mind. I don't see it as a problem that you won't change your mind because that is your belief and you have every right to it but many catholics believe that Catholics you feel as I do should leave. And agape, I never said the church or bible was wrong...I said mans interpretation of it might be wrong. There is a big difference. Many people (not anyone on these boards) use the bible as an excuse to spread hate.
Posted by pretzelgrrl[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Have you actually read the books? I'm really doubtful of that. </div><div>
</div><div>The things you've quoted here are extremely shallow and the perceived meanings have no weight in regard to the rest of the teachings. Teachings of the church cannot conflict. These conflict. Eph 5 would make no sense, The fact that marriage is supposed to image the trinity (2 begets 3) and Christ's love for the church, His bride. There must be a giver and receiver. It's written into our very nature. This is why its a problem to "disagree" with this. Disagreeing that marriage should be between a man and a woman is denying the trinity and Christ's death on the cross as self-donation where all man-kind is "reborn" and Mary becomes our mother. It's all connected. You can't have one without the other. </div><div>
</div><div>You did say the church was wrong. You say you believe the church is incorrect in her "interpretation" of it. The church has the authority to teach, given by Christ. Christ PROMISED the Holy Spirit that the church would not be able to teach error. Do you not believe that God can do this?   She has taught this for 2000 years (and it was believed from the beginning of man what "marriage" is). </div>

Calypso1977

Many people (not anyone on these boards) use the bible as an excuse to spread hate.

not approving of the homosexual lifestyle (or any sin, for that matter) does not equate to hate.  why do people always assume that if you dont support or approve it is synonomous with hate?

i also personally detest the word "homophobia".  "phobia" means "fear".  just because one might not approve of the homosexual lifestyle does not mean that they are afraid of homosexuals. 

pretzelgrrl

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_pick-and-choose-catholic-potentially-hot-topic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:72e62bbd-5610-43a0-9b7d-180f71dc3455Post:70041037-140d-4c35-b78a-e7b0d64de4be">Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*)</a>:
[QUOTE]Many people (not anyone on these boards) use the bible as an excuse to spread hate. not approving of the homosexual lifestyle (or any sin, for that matter) does not equate to hate.  why do people always assume that if you dont support or approve it is synonomous with hate? i also personally detest the word "homophobia".  "phobia" means "fear".  just because one might not approve of the homosexual lifestyle does not mean that they are afraid of homosexuals. 
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]



I didn't equate not supporting or approving the homosexual style as synonymous with hate which is why I said no one on these boards...I just stated that some do use the bible as an excuse to hate. Also, just because you are not homophobic does not mean that those people do not exist. Do you honestly believe that there is no one in the world that is homophobic or hates? Do you honestly feel that everyone just does not support it...then how do you account for hate crimes and violence such as the case of Matthew Sheppard?

And yes agape as I said I did read a book I think recommended by you on this thread and at least 2 full articles I think also posted by you or maybe someone else...I have to admit that I just skimmed the other articles but I read 2 full articles and 1 book (I believe it is theology Of the body for beginners) Why would you doubt me?

pretzelgrrl

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_pick-and-choose-catholic-potentially-hot-topic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:72e62bbd-5610-43a0-9b7d-180f71dc3455Post:1a4de088-9e44-4007-ab71-7e0f7b1341fb">Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*)</a>:
[QUOTE]Because, as you already said, your beliefs are rooted in feelings,  whereas mine are rooted in  faith. And, I actually don't believe that I've ever said I think Catholics like you should "leave." (However, I am honestly baffled at why people like you would want  to stay in the Church...There's loads of other churches that are way more fun- and even usually have much better music, like the Anglicans - and allow their people to "pick and choose" what to believe. Weren't most of them started  as a result of someone's inability to have faith and desire to simply follow their "feelings?")  I actually hope that you don't  leave the Church. I do hope that you are able to grow in faith and sincerely open your heart to what God wants us to believe and how to obey, rather than trying to determine what you think  he teaches based on your preconceived notions, especially instead of trying to "change" the Church. (Not sure if you actually desire to do this; many Catholics with your beliefs do, and they're wasting their time. Doctrine and dogma do not - cannot - change.)
Posted by lalaith50[/QUOTE]



Sorry if it came across as you specifically...I meant a broad you in catholics that feel the same way as the article that started this thread. I do find it condescending though that you think I should find a "fun" church. I am not trying to change the church but I do believe there is a time that they will see that to follow that homosexual actions are sinning much like we don't follow the bible passages that say having sex during a woman's period is a sin or polygamy is okay. I have seen the church leaders admit they have made mistakes - I was relieved when many came forward and admit they handled the priest child abuse scandal wrong.

ootmother2

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_pick-and-choose-catholic-potentially-hot-topic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:72e62bbd-5610-43a0-9b7d-180f71dc3455Post:1a4de088-9e44-4007-ab71-7e0f7b1341fb">Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*)</a>:
[QUOTE]Because, as you already said, your beliefs are rooted in feelings,  whereas mine are rooted in  faith. And, I actually don't believe that I've ever said I think Catholics like you should "leave." (However, I am honestly baffled at why people like you would want  to stay in the Church...There's loads of other churches that are way more fun- and even usually have much better music, like the Anglicans - and allow their people to "pick and choose" what to believe. Weren't most of them started  as a result of someone's inability to have faith and desire to simply follow their "feelings?")  I actually hope that you don't  leave the Church. I do hope that you are able to grow in faith and sincerely open your heart to what God wants us to believe and how to obey, rather than trying to determine what you think  he teaches based on your preconceived notions, especially instead of trying to "change" the Church. (Not sure if you actually desire to do this; many Catholics with your beliefs do, and they're wasting their time. Doctrine and dogma do not - cannot - change.)
Posted by lalaith50[/QUOTE]

lala

, please don't insult the Anglicans or any other religious here or elsewhere in life.  They certainly don't think that their religions are just for fun or music.  They truly believe in  their religion and no one has the right to hold their religion in disrespect. 

The pope has told us to honor the religions of others.  And God isn't Catholic

lalaith50

[QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Pick and Choose" Catholic (*Potentially Hot Topic*) : lala , please don't insult the Anglicans or any other religious here or elsewhere in life.  They certainly don't think that their religions are just for fun or music.  They truly believe in  their religion and no one has the right to hold their religion in disrespect.  The pope has told us to honor the religions of others.  And God isn't Catholic
Posted by ootmother2[/QUOTE]<div><div><div>1. Where did I insult other religions? (Every single thing I said was a fact. Better music {specifically the Anglicans, but that's just MY opinion and I certainly don't see how that is an insult...and I don't know how any church could be *worse* than the abysmal state of music in just about any Catholic parish!} Most do allow their members to pick and choose beliefs, and are more "fun," although the latter is more a matter of opinion, but certainly not an insult; rather I'm surprised you didn't see that as the compliment it was meant to be! Would that more Catholic churches had the successful outreaches, Bible studies, active church life, etc, of most Protestant Churches!)</div><div>
</div><div>2. Where did I say their religions are "just" about fun or music?</div></div>
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