Any takers?

bibliophile2010

NEY has a pretty long Catholic-bashing thread going...I don't have the energy to get into it right now, especially since a couple of Phoenix-area posters brought up a pretty controversial local situation from a year or so ago.  NO ONE over there is sticking up for the Truth -- it is more of a mutual bashing society going on.

professorscience

I kind of dislike the whole point of the NEY board.  It's a bunch of already engaged girls making fun of girls who are not engaged but excited about it.

MedStudent13

Yikes. There's some nasty stuff going down there. I don't think there is anything we can do to remedy that situation.

Hilraythebride

I don't really like the NEY board because it creeps me out that girls plan so much of their wedding before they get engaged!

Swazzle

Nobody was "bashing Catholics."  I know this might come as a shock but people can be Catholic & not agree with EVERYTHING that the church believes in or stands for.

agapecarrie

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:5096cd56-b75b-4b3e-b45b-6c61387a2c8a">Re: Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]Nobody was "bashing Catholics."  I know this might come as a shock but people can be Catholic & not agree with EVERYTHING that the church believes in or stands for.
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

Well, taken to its fullest extent, no you can't. Every teaching is connected to another. It's a big web. When you reject NFP, you actually throw out the Eucharist and the trinity, because marriage images those. When you throw out Mary's assumption, you miss the very nature of the resurrection of the body, as well as the understanding of Christ's fullest love for the church, which again, is the Eucharist.

It's not a cafeteria where you pick and choose what you want to believe to suit your own lifestyle.

One cannot be vegetarian but still eat meat. It's by its <strong>definition</strong> is what it means.

Riss91

I don't think anyone here is expecting everyone to believe everything the Church teaches. I do think people, in this country, expect that their fellow citizens will respect their religion and not trash it.

Swazzle

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:386ae98a-6c02-4dd9-95ed-2575df06c896">Re: Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]I don't think anyone here is expecting everyone to believe everything the Church teaches. <strong>I do think people, in this country, expect that their fellow citizens will respect their religion and not trash it.</strong>
Posted by Riss91[/QUOTE]

<div>I couldn't agree more.  But I really don't think anyone was doing that in the thread mentioned above. </div>

professorscience

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : I couldn't agree more.  But I really don't think anyone was doing that in the thread mentioned above. 
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

<div>Meh.  From what I read (which wasn't much) people either a) didn't understand the concerns over the HHS proposal and/or b) thought the church was just trying to keep women under thumb.</div><div>
</div><div>It's frustrating to see people rail against my position when they don't understand what my problem is.</div>

Riss91

There were a few comments that I felt were mean-spirited. I don't think the thread is THAT bad......BUT there is a TON of misinformation in that thread.

chelseamb11

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:896fd393-ce92-4db7-ab97-58c09420e95c">Re: Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]There were a few comments that I felt were mean-spirited. I don't think the thread is THAT bad......BUT there is a <strong>TON of misinformation in that thread.</strong>
Posted by Riss91[/QUOTE]

Yep. And entitlement.

shawna127

Sad, sad day.  Very misinformed.  And it is very upsetting to see that this is what a lot of people are like today.  Two things:

First, A lot of the "catholics" (meaning: people who say they are catholic but never practice) I meet always say "well I'm catholic but I don't agree with everything/ a lot of what the church teaches.  I actually used to say this until one day I decided that the things I didn't agree I would read up on, and you know I actually started agreeing with the church (and birth control was just one of them). I understand why people say those things too, catholicism is not an "easy" religion.  In the teachings it comes right out and says what you are doing wrong and not just that "because you are saved by Jesus you are going to heaven no matter what you do".

Second: People may actually believe and agree with why the church doesn't want to pay for ABC but they know other people don't agree so they are too afraid to say anything.

Sorry, I was kind of ranting but it's a little depressing to see how uniformed people are and how flippin' entitled (great wording Chelsea!!) people are!

Ciardasully

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:bc5587e0-bac3-4975-a027-cb7a6ee37e2d">Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]NEY has a pretty long Catholic-bashing thread going...I don't have the energy to get into it right now, especially since a couple of Phoenix-area posters brought up a pretty controversial local situation from a year or so ago.  NO ONE over there is sticking up for the Truth -- it is more of a mutual bashing society going on.
Posted by bibliophile2010[/QUOTE]
 
I looked at the thread and what scares me is that this issue IMO isn't about birth control.  It's about the Government not accepting the Seperation of Church and State.  The President does not have the authority to mandate this under the Constitution.    And it really scares me that so many people think the Government should control religion.

cu97tiger

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[QUOTE]In Response to Any takers? :   I looked at the thread and what scares me is that <strong>this issue IMO isn't about birth control</strong>.  It's about the Government not accepting the Seperation of Church and State.  The President does not have the authority to mandate this under the Constitution.    And it really scares me that so many people think the Government should control religion.
Posted by Ciardasully[/QUOTE]

<div>Ciardasully -You're right. What many people have said in the NEY thread is that the problem it not whether or not the Catholic hospitals pay for BC or not for their employees, it's that they cannot expect to gladly take the government's money without strings attached.</div><div>
</div><div>I've read through the NEY thread a few times, and I just don't understand where anyone on there is acting entitled, unless it's entitled to their own opinion.</div><div>
</div><div>Bibliophile -As one of the 'Phoenix-area posters' that you referenced, I'm wondering how anything I said was Catholic-bashing... I'm pretty sure I just referenced the straight facts.</div><div>
</div><div>Finally, if you have information that you think is pertinent to the debate, please share it where the debate is happening. Sitting over here and just calling everyone on NEY 'Catholic-bashers' seems awfully judgemental, and not very productive.</div>

Riss91

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : Ciardasully -You're right. What many people have said in the NEY thread is that the problem it not whether or not the Catholic hospitals pay for BC or not for their employees, it's that they cannot expect to gladly take the government's money without strings attached. I've read through the NEY thread a few times, and I just don't understand where anyone on there is acting entitled, unless it's entitled to their own opinion. Bibliophile -As one of the 'Phoenix-area posters' that you referenced, I'm wondering how anything I said was Catholic-bashing... I'm pretty sure I just referenced the straight facts. Finally, if you have information that you think is pertinent to the debate, please share it where the debate is happening. Sitting over here and just calling everyone on NEY 'Catholic-bashers' seems awfully judgemental, and not very productive.
Posted by cu97tiger[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with the funding they receive from the govt. The Church could give up their tax-exempt status/government funding and they would STILL have to comply.

I considered posting in that thread, however, I would assume (as has already occurred in the thread) that the ladies on that board wouldnt really welcome a "stranger" correcting them. However, if they would like to understand the other side of the equation and learn some more of the details, I'm game. Just let me know!

cu97tiger

Riss - I think there are many of us on NEY that would be open to a stranger giving us more information than we previously had. However, you can imagine that anyone would bristle at being 'corrected.'

Ciardasully

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : It has nothing to do with the funding they receive from the govt. The Church could give up their tax-exempt status/government funding and they would STILL have to comply. I considered posting in that thread, however, I would assume (as has already occurred in the thread) that the ladies on that board wouldnt really welcome a "stranger" correcting them. However, if they would like to understand the other side of the equation and learn some more of the details, I'm game. Just let me know!
Posted by Riss91[/QUOTE]

Exactly Riss.   It does not matter whether the hospital received federal funding or not.  The Government has ZERO authority to tell the Church what to do because there is a Separation of Church and State.   This is a free country and if people do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church, they do not need to work at a Catholic Hospital.  No one is forcing anyone to work there. 

I have no interest in posting in the NEY Board.  I am engaged.  I will post in this board, as I am Catholic. 

cu97tiger

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : Exactly Riss.   It does not matter whether the hospital received federal funding or not.  The Government has ZERO authority to tell the Church what to do because there is a Separation of Church and State.   This is a free country and if people do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church, they do not need to work at a Catholic Hospital.  No one is forcing anyone to work there. <strong> I have no interest in posting in the NEY Board.  I am engaged.  I will post in this board, as I am Catholic. </strong>
Posted by Ciardasully[/QUOTE]

<div>I'm engaged now as well, and have met some wonderful women on NEY. You probably shouldn't knock it until you've tried it. Just because not all of us are Catholic, doesn't mean we're horrible people.</div>

Riss91

Please don't insinuate that anyone here believes that non-Catholics are horrible people. That's not fair.

agapecarrie

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:fd3d717d-82fa-4448-a464-8a50f6f64df3">Re: Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : I'm engaged now as well, and have met some wonderful women on NEY. You probably shouldn't knock it until you've tried it. Just because not all of us are Catholic, doesn't mean we're horrible people.
Posted by cu97tiger[/QUOTE]

What in the world did you get that from? Noone ever said non-Catholics were horrible people. Not even a hint, implication, or anything else.

That was extremely insulting.

Ciardasully

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_any-takers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:bc6a2763-46d8-4d85-845a-cc44bc4d9f25Post:fd3d717d-82fa-4448-a464-8a50f6f64df3">Re: Any takers?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : I'm engaged now as well, and have met some wonderful women on NEY. You probably shouldn't knock it until you've tried it. Just because not all of us are Catholic, doesn't mean we're horrible people.
Posted by cu97tiger[/QUOTE]

That's funny.  I don't remember calling the women of NEY horrible because they are not Catholic..hmmm...you even bolded what I wrote...nope, never called anyone horrible for not being Catholic. 

Tami87

I was going to post on the board on NYE, but I thought that strangers coming over from the Catholic board weren't really welcome judging by a few posts.

The thing I really wanted to point out, was everyone seems to think that Catholic hospitals are in the health care buisness so should follow government rules. Who exactly do you think would replace these Catholic hospitals if they were to close? Why doesn't someone open a secular hospital to compete with the Catholic ones in the areas where the only hospital is a Catholic hospital?

Kamakanani

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Any takers? : I'm engaged now as well, and have met some wonderful women on NEY. You probably shouldn't knock it until you've tried it. Just because not all of us are Catholic, doesn't mean we're horrible people.
Posted by cu97tiger[/QUOTE]
I saw no mention of the phrase "horrible people" until you said it, cu.  I read the post prior to yours as the poster wanting to limit her board presence to boards that are more appropriate for her situation.  As such, since she is already engaged, she doesn't feel comfortable going on a board for people who aren't yet engaged.  I feel the same way, and wouldn't normally go to the NEY board or a local board for, say, Denver, when I've never been there and am not getting married there.

Swazzle

Tiger, I told you you were wasting your time here. We are just misinformed, entitled meanies that make fun of women who aren't engaged, duh.

cu97tiger

The practice on the NEY board is to bold the part of what you're quoting so as to make it easier to understand, it wasn't to call anyone out on something specific. Just on this board, the following comments were made about NEY:

bibliophile: NEY has a pretty long Catholic-bashing thread going (even though there was no ACTUAL Catholic-bashing thread, just a discussion of a hot-button topic)

professorscienc...: I kind of dislike the whole point of the NEY board.  It's a bunch of already engaged girls making fun of girls who are not engaged but excited about it. (kind of a broad, sweeping statement to say that we ALL make fun of girls who aren't engaged but excited about it)

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Riss - I think you misunderstood my comment. We take a LOT of flak on NEY for our stance on planning weddings before being engaged. Like any board, there are a range of personalities represented... from snarky 100% of the time, to extremely polite and non-confrontational. My 'horrible people' comment was directed at those that felt that NEY is full of mean Catholic-bashers.

Riss91

I gotcha. It's better for everyone to just chillax and not over-react.

I actually don't have an issue with a board for ladies that aren't engaged yet. There's a lot of people that are on the cusp of marriage, and are excited for the next step. And people that just love wedding planning. Plus, I'm already married (for over 2 years) so many could turn that around on ME and say 'WTF is she still on a wedding forum for'?

chelseamb11

Tiger, to answer your question on entitlement, it's simple.
There are so many people that love this mandate because they feel it is their human God-Given right to have free/cheap birth control at the cost of others (because that's what this mandate does).  Covered birth control is a convenience for a lot of people, but it's not a right, especially when it comes down to someone breaking their religion to pay for it for you (general you, not you personally)