This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilizatio

lalaith50

My favorite quote:

‎"Liberals always complain when the Church acts in the public square, tossing out the red herring “separation of church and state!”
But they are perfectly happy to have the state compel the church to do what they want the church (and people of faith) to do."

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=25190

lalaith50

Why are we forcing ANYBODY to pay for other people to stop perfectly healthy and normal functions of their body!? argjhghghghghag!!!! 

caitriona87

I was just heading over here to post about this.

While I am sad and sick over it, especially the fact that Sebelius is supposedly Catholic and sold her own Church down the river, I am grateful that our bishops are being faithful:

http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-012.cfm

I am really prone to fear over stuff like this....Jesus, I trust in you.

skl14

I am so happy that this happened. Score one for women's rights. Clearly this isn't forcing contraception on anyone, it is still up to the individual. Have a little faith in your fellow Catholics to do what is right for them. 

agapecarrie

"Drugs" (a class 1 carcinogen) that stop a woman's body from working the way it should is not helping women's rights, it making them become more like objects to be used. The whole world is "drinking the kool aid" that the pill is actually good for them and that it actually works. 

This is the very kind of thing the constitution is supposed to protect us from when the laws are not supposed to regulate churches. The churches should not have to pay for things that cause abortions (which the pill does), or does something to violate their conscience.

lalaith50

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[QUOTE]I am so happy that this happened. Score one for women's rights. Clearly this isn't forcing contraception on anyone, it is still up to the individual. Have a little faith in your fellow Catholics to do what is right for them. 
Posted by skl14[/QUOTE]
Clearly, you do not understand the actual concerns with this. The issue is not concern that contraception is being forced on anyone, the issue is that <strong>Catholic Institutions</strong> (and other religious instiutions,) will be <strong>forced</strong> to fund something to which they are <strong>morally opposed, </strong>going against their first ammendmant right to religious freedom. 
<div>It's NOT "up to the individual." The "individual" will be <strong>forced</strong> also to pay for <em>others</em> contraception and sterilization.</div><div>For example, a Catholic college that offers health care to their students (all of whom have <strong>chosen</strong> to go to a Catholic college, and presumably support it's mission and beliefs,) is going to be forced to pay for contraceptives, (obviously going against their very mission as a Catholic instutition,) and everyone who pays into that pool will be funding it. There is NO OPTION for people who are religiously opposed to such evils to not have to support this.</div><div>
</div><div>And what do you mean "womens' rights?" Where's MY right as a woman to <em>not</em> have to pay for others poor choices? (Why do I get the feeling that people like you only care about "women's rights" when it happens to line up with your own personal political opinions?)</div><div>
</div><div> Now, this is so ridiculously and blatantly unconstitutional, that it will hopefully be challenged in court or overturned through constitutional legislation, but...start praying now!</div>

penny12986

Did you see this line, ..."houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt."

lalaith50

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[QUOTE]Did you see this line, ..."houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt."
Posted by penny12986[/QUOTE]

Yes, but that does not include institutions that are only "religiously affiliated." To qualify for a religious exemption under the policy, religious organizations must employ and serve primarily members of their own faith and must exist for the purpose of teaching religious values.<div>
<div>In other words... Jesus himself wouldn't be exempt!</div></div>

newlyseliski

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! : Yes, but that does not include institutions that are only "religiously affiliated." To qualify for a religious exemption under the policy, religious organizations must employ and serve primarily members of their own faith and must exist for the purpose of teaching religious values. In other words... Jesus himself wouldn't be exempt!
Posted by lalaith50[/QUOTE]

Word... I'm also beyond infuriated about this.  Any religious organization should not be forced to cover IN FULL drugs or procedures if they find it to be morally repugnant.  This is not a "score one for women's rights."  Women can still access contraceptives or sterilization... but they aren't entitled to having them fully subsidized by their employer, regardless of the religious affiliation.  Everyone seems to want something for nothing these days...  there is RARELY any medical need for contraceptives or sterilization.

<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/hhs-secretary-sebelius-church-groups-must-provide-contraception/">http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/hhs-secretary-sebelius-church-groups-must-provide-contraception/</a>

professorscience

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[QUOTE]Did you see this line, ..."houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt."
Posted by penny12986[/QUOTE]

<div>And Catholic hospitals that applied for exemption were denied.</div>

Riss91

This is absolutely terrifying and disgusting.

No one should be FORCED to participate in something that goes AGAINST their faith. And anyone that disagrees needs to go back to US History class.

This country really needs to WAKE UP.

TeaForMe

Question : What types of organizations *do* fall under the exemption? I work at a Catholic school and our insurance is through the archdiocese. Would they be exempt or not? (though I don't work enough hours to qualify for benefits anymore so I'll never know).

And this reminds me a little bit of a discussion I read on The Bump a while ago. A woman was going in for a c-section and was upset that the hospital (Catholic) would not allow her doctor to do a tubal ligation at the same time. Of course no one could understand how/why the hospital could even do that especially if "they get federal funding. They should be required to do whatever the public 'needs'. The outrage!" Excuse me... but I don't want my federal funds going to ANY type of elective procdure, thank you very much. And that's without even getting into any type of moral  opposition either.

blahblah85

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[QUOTE]"Drugs" (a class 1 carcinogen) that stop a woman's body from working the way it should is not helping women's rights, it making them become more like objects to be used. The whole world is "drinking the kool aid" that the pill is actually good for them and that it actually works.  <strong>This is the very kind of thing the constitution is supposed to protect us from when the laws are not supposed to regulate churches</strong>. The churches should not have to pay for things that cause abortions (which the pill does), or does something to violate their conscience.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

As a taxpayer I don't like the fact that I have to pay for Pregnancy Crisis Centers that are usually funded/run by religious institutions. 

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center</a>

My point is why should religious organizations receive taxpayers' money to spread their own religious perspective, but when the reverse is done it is a huge atrocity?  You can't have it both ways.  Sorry.  My rights, and the rights of other secular Americans, were violated long ago. 

agapecarrie

[QUOTE] My rights, and the rights of other secular Americans, were violated long ago. 
Posted by blahblah85[/QUOTE]<div>
This makes no sense. The Catholic church is the largest charitible organization in the world. The reason that catholic charities won't fall in the exception clause is because it serves more people than just catholics. Pregnancy resource centers offer the same aid as secular ones--- they don't prosteletize through it-- just to give aid to women who need it. </div><div>
</div><div>Catholics also run hospitals, shelters, etc. WIthout the church, most of these would not exist.</div><div>
</div><div>and now its accused of violating someone's rights. This is laughable.</div><div>
</div><div>Any taxpayer money that is given to aid a pregnancy resource center is given to run the place to give aid to people.</div><div>
</div><div>This law is requiring people to buy "drugs" for women that might possibly kill them, and kill their unborn child.</div><div>
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blahblah85

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! : Word... I'm also beyond infuriated about this.  Any religious organization should not be forced to cover IN FULL drugs or procedures if they find it to be morally repugnant.  This is not a "score one for women's rights."  Women can still access contraceptives or sterilization... but they aren't entitled to having them fully subsidized by their employer, regardless of the religious affiliation.  Everyone seems to want something for nothing these days...  there is RARELY any medical need for contraceptives or sterilization. <a href="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/hhs-secretary-sebelius-church-groups-must-provide-contraception/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/hhs-secretary-sebelius-church-groups-must-provide-contraception/</a>
Posted by newlyseliski[/QUOTE]

Birth Control pills are used to control acne, endometriosis, severe PMS stymtoms, PMDD, Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, and migraines.  Birth control is used to help regulate periods in women who are trying to get pregnant, but have reduced fertility and/or irregular periods.  There /are/ side effects.  There are health problems associated with the pill, but many other medications have issues like this.  To deny that pregnancy is a medical condition is, well, stupid.  If it weren't a medical condition we wouldn't go to the doctor for it.  To say there is rarely a medical need for oral contraceptives is false.  Why don't you try dealing with POS, endometriosis, or migraines, and see how fast you'd use a medication to relieve your symtoms.  The OSU Medical website states that somewhere between 2 to 10 percent of American women have endometriosis. <a href="http://medicalcenter.osu.edu/patientcare/healthcare_services/gynecological_health/endometriosis/Pages/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://medicalcenter.osu.edu/patientcare/healthcare_services/gynecological_health/endometriosis/Pages/index.aspx</a> Sorry, but even 2% of American women is a lot of women needing oral contraceptives for medical reasons.  (As of the 2000 census there were 143,368,343 women in America.  2% of that is 2,867,366.)

I agree that no one is entitled to having a medication fully subsidized by their employer.  It should be covered like other medications are covered with co-pays ect ect ect.  This is why we<strong> pay</strong> for insurance through our employers.  To receive medical treatment. 

Your right to religious freedom is important, but it should end when it infringes on the right to others to control their own bodies as they see fit.  This is not a debate regarding the effectiveness of birth-control, or the side-effects(to deny that hormonal contraceptives have side-effects would be just as misleading as saying that there is rarely a medical use for oral contraceptives.) 

  You, and every other catholic woman in the grand US of A has the right to not use contraceptives.  Churches, and ministries that hire people that are expected to follow religious guidelines as part of their employment should be exempt. However, hospitals hire, and service people of many faiths.  The church should not have the right to dictate what others can and cannot do with their own bodies.  Birth control shouldn't be denied while medications like cialis, and viagra are often covered. 

blahblah85

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[QUOTE]This makes no sense. The Catholic church is the largest charitible organization in the world. The reason that catholic charities won't fall in the exception clause is because it serves more people than just catholics. <strong>Pregnancy resource centers offer the same aid as secular ones--- they don't prosteletize through it-- just to give aid to women who need it</strong>.  Catholics also run hospitals, shelters, etc. WIthout the church, most of these would not exist. and now its accused of violating someone's rights. This is laughable. Any taxpayer money that is given to aid a pregnancy resource center is given to run the place to give aid to people. This law is requiring people to buy "drugs" for women that might possibly kill them, and kill their unborn child.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

Funny.  According to this article, which by the way is praising such organizations, they do. 

<a href="http://townhall.com/news/religion/2011/10/17/through_crisis_pregnancy_centers_churches_promote_life,_love" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/news/religion/2011/10/17/through_crisis_pregnancy_centers_churches_promote_life,_love</a>

Riss91

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! :  To say there is rarely a medical need for oral contraceptives is false.  Why don't you try dealing with POS, endometriosis, or migraines, and see how fast you'd use a medication to relieve your symtoms. 

 Your right to religious freedom is important, but it should end when it infringes on the right to others to control their own bodies as they see fit. 

However, hospitals hire, and service people of many faiths.  The church should not have the right to dictate what others can and cannot do with their own bodies.  Birth control shouldn't be denied while medications like cialis, and viagra are often covered. 
Posted by blahblah85[/QUOTE]

There are ways to treat PCOS, migraines, etc without using the pill. There are ladies on this board that have done so. You're right that the second you are diagnosed with those conditions, you are immediately prescribed the pill. That is because most doctors don't learn about other methods. The pill also causes many problems for many people. It's a shame that other methods are not typically offered/utilized.

No one has a "right" to birth control pills. No one has a "right" to any medication, much less to have it covered or subsidized. It's a privelege that most feel they are entitled to at this point. If you pay for insurance, you have a right to be treated by your doctor. But to specify that someone's rights are infringed upon simply because their employer ISN'T covering the cost of their medication, is ridiculous.

Should I insist my employer pay for my facelift? Obviously that is absurd. Facelifts are not a medically required procedure. Birth control pills are also not medically required. There are extremely rare cases where pills are the best option, and the Church would allow their use in those instances. Women who work for Catholic organzations CAN still go out and get the pill if they want to. No one is stopping them. They can even go to a clinic and get it for practically nothing. And patients that go to Catholic hospitals shoul know that this is a Cathlic hospital, and therefore certain medications and procedures will not be allowed.

If I am not Jewish, but I work in a Kosher Deli, am I going to demand that they provide me with non-Kosher food for lunch? Of course not! Can I go across the street to another deli and get my own food? Absolutely.

It's not about the Church preventing anyone from doing what they want to with their bodies. They can still go and take whatever meds they want to. But, the Church shouldn't have to fund it.

agapecarrie

LOL..

well, I HAVE tried, successfully managing PCOS without the pill. MUCH better than with it. My Napro docs have discovered the underlying cause of my symptoms, and have given me meds that actually treat the problems...so much so that it is almost gone. THe pill just covers the problem up. 

The pill does not aid people in infertility trying to get pregrnant. 

there is a huge long list of docs that are adamantly against the pill, not only morally, but medically because it does so much damage. Look up napro technology.

The pill is a class 1 carcinogen.

Riss91

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[QUOTE]LOL.. well, I HAVE tried, successfully managing PCOS without the pill. MUCH better than with it. My Napro docs have discovered the underlying cause of my symptoms, and have given me meds that actually treat the problems...so much so that it is almost gone. THe pill just covers the problem up.  The pill does not aid people in infertility trying to get pregrnant.  there is a huge long list of docs that are adamantly against the pill, not only morally, but medically because it does so much damage. Look up napro technology. The pill is a class 1 carcinogen.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

But agape, don't you know that it just isn't POSSIBLE for you to NOT be on the pill? I mean, EVERYONE takes it for EVERY reason on earth. Obviously it is because it's the ONLY option or method of treating these "conditions".
/sarcasm :-)

agapecarrie

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! : But agape, don't you know that it just isn't POSSIBLE for you to NOT be on the pill? I mean, EVERYONE takes it for EVERY reason on earth. Obviously it is because it's the ONLY option or method of treating these "conditions". /sarcasm :-)
Posted by Riss91[/QUOTE]

was it cherry or grape flavor   (kool aid I mean)

professorscience

The fact that a Catholic hospital hires and serves people of other faiths should have no bearing on the right of the hospital to choose which services it will and won't provide.  

There is no emergency condition that would require immediate treatment with hormonal birth control, so a patient looking to get BC should inquire elsewhere.

A doctor who believes that his one calling is to provide childless couples with children through IVF doesn't have to go to work at a Catholic hospital.

Baylor University requires all new students to attend at least one semester of chapel, and any non-Baptist religious organizations are required to assemble off campus (they can use Baylor's name, but they rent or own property that is just off campus).  It's not infringing on the rights of these other organizations -- those students chose Baylor and agreed to abide by the rules.  If I had gone in and insisted that I be exempted from chapel because I was not Baptist, I would have been shot down in a heartbeat.  And that is Baylor's right, as a religious university. 

Just as it should be a Catholic hospital/university/whatever's right to refuse to cover certain treatments it deems morally reprehensible.

Sidenote: I read about this on msnbc, and I had to laugh at this very ridiculous statement: "Also covered is the morning-after pill, which can prevent pregnancy after unprotected sex and is considered as tantamount to an abortion drug by some religious conservatives."

"Some religious conservatives?"  Is not the primary function to make sure a fertilized egg does not implant in the uterine wall?  How is that not abortive?

Karadee1

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[QUOTE] "Also covered is the morning-after pill, which can prevent pregnancy after unprotected sex and is considered as tantamount to an abortion drug by some religious conservatives." "Some religious conservatives?"  Is not the primary function to make sure a fertilized egg does not implant in the uterine wall?  How is that not abortive?
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]

<div>Technically, Plan B will only prevent ovulation, and if the egg has been fertilized it will be ineffective. Technically, it won't work if the woman is already pregnant. This is what is commonly referred to as the morning after pill. (Though I am not a doctor, and I only know what I've read. I'm no expert). </div><div>
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lalaith50

[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! : Technically, Plan B will only prevent ovulation, and if the egg has been fertilized it will be ineffective. Technically, it won't work if the woman is already pregnant. This is what is commonly referred to as the morning after pill. (Though I am not a doctor, and I only know what I've read. I'm no expert). 
Posted by caradi[/QUOTE]
webmd says, (and I've heard this before, so I believe it,) that the "morning after pill" won't just prevent ovulation, but it can also prevent an already fertilized egg from <em>implanting</em>, which some consider abortive.

Kamakanani

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization! : Technically, Plan B will only prevent ovulation, and if the egg has been fertilized it will be ineffective. Technically, it won't work if the woman is already pregnant. This is what is commonly referred to as the morning after pill. (Though I am not a doctor, and I only know what I've read. I'm no expert). 
Posted by caradi[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>I must admit, in my younger days, I did once take the "morning after" pill.  First of all, it can be one to 3 pills that are taken, so "pill" can be a misnomer for this "medicine."  Secondly, both from the words of the clinician who prescribed the "pill" for me and from the literature that came with it (yes, I actually read those pamphlets of way too much information), Plan B's primary method of function is to create a hostile environment in the uterus so that if the egg was fertilized due to unprotected sex, it won't implant.  Standard hormonal birth control is the "pill" that prevents ovulation.  So, to my understanding, the "morning after pill" is a chemical/pharmaceutical version of an IUD - it does not prevent conception, it prevents implantation.

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Karadee1

Kama- I see what you're saying. My friend had the unfortunate experience of taking this once before, she said it was awful. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I could totally see it creating an inhospitable environment, similar to what PP said, since it was so painful for her. Something bad had to be going on.

pretzelgrrl

QUOTE]This makes no sense. The Catholic church is the largest charitible organization in the world. The reason that catholic charities won't fall in the exception clause is because it serves more people than just catholics. Pregnancy resource centers offer the same aid as secular ones--- they don't prosteletize through it-- just to give aid to women who need it.  Catholics also run hospitals, shelters, etc. WIthout the church, most of these would not exist. and now its accused of violating someone's rights. This is laughable. Any taxpayer money that is given to aid a pregnancy resource center is given to run the place to give aid to people. This law is requiring people to buy "drugs" for women that might possibly kill them, and kill their unborn child.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you are not the one drinking the kool-aid? Those so-called pregnancy centers are fronts for shoving catholic beliefs and only catholic beliefs on others. If you go to planned parenthood, they give you all of the option not just the ones they believe in. Also, some of the charities run by the church are far from helping all people. For example, catholic charities which handles adoptions. Do you think they let same sex couples adopt? Of corse not.

lalaith50

[QUOTE] Also, some of the charities run by the church are far from helping all people. For example, catholic charities which handles adoptions. Do you think they let same sex couples adopt? Of corse not.
Posted by pretzelgrrl[/QUOTE]
Hm, so you're saying that if a charitable organization doesn't perfectly agree with YOUR personal moral beliefs, even to the point where they will not do something that THEY consider immoral (which <em>should</em> be their freedom of religion, right?) then they should just not exist? <div>So what if they're not helping "all" people? They're helping as many as they morally can. </div><div>(And if you don't agree with that basic freedom of religion premises, then I can see why you would have no sympathy for the Catholic position against the HHS mandate...)</div><div>
</div><div>Also, you are truly deceived if you think Planned Parenthood gives people "all" the options. They are in it for the money. Of course they push abortion--that's how they exist! (If you haven't already, you should read Abby Johnston's Unplanned-- her expose' from working at PP...)</div><div>That seems quite different than the truly altruistic motives of someone who works at a Catholic crisis pregnancy center, the vast majority volunteers!</div><div>
</div><div>Compare it to this example-- </div><div>If you were to come to me, and say you are thinking of jumping off a bridge, would that be kind and loving of me to say, "well, you know, there is another option, maybe you should get some counseling, but really, if you want to jump off a bridge, and you think that will solve all your problems, then go ahead. That's probably the best thing for you, because only you know what's best for your life."</div><div>It would be faaaaaaaaaar more loving for me to gently try to explain how committing suicide is NOT a good thing, and then if you were still insisting that you were going to, then it would probably be the best thing for me to call a suicide hotline or something, NOT to just let you just jump or encourage you to!</div><div>So, for people (ahem, Catholics!) who truly believe and know that abortion/contraception are pure EVIL, how could they possibly avoid pressuring people to do what's RIGHT?</div>

agapecarrie

In Response to Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization!: Are you sure you are not the one drinking the kool-aid? Those so-called pregnancy centers are fronts for shoving catholic beliefs and only catholic beliefs on others. If you go to planned parenthood, they give you all of the option not just the ones they believe in. Also, some of the charities run by the church are far from helping all people. For example, catholic charities which handles adoptions. Do you think they let same sex couples adopt? Of corse not.
Posted by pretzelgrrl[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm positive. I can tell you with a firm, no doubt answer that catholic pregnancy centers DO NOT in ANY WAY "shove" catholic beliefs, ...they are NOT "fronts" for them. You saying such a thing is proof that you are very misinformed about it all.

Planned parenthood does NOT give all the options. They lie...terribly. They will tell a girl she is pregant, even if she isn't, and perform an "abortion" on her in order to charge the fee (this has been documented as happening). They give low dosage of birth control on purpose so that a girl will get pregnant and come to them for abortion. Did you not see all the videos that came out this year exposing PP for aiding in sex trafficking and not reporting minors being raped? Read "unplanned" by Abby Johnson. It is eye opening. 

Catholic charities will not place children with same sex couples because it is by natural law that children need a mother and father.  This is simple Theology of the Body and basic teachings and understanding of marriage.

pretzelgrrl

I feel like Unplanned is as unbiased as a Micheal Moore movie but I do semi-agree with your analogy lalaith50 but I feel those pregnancy centers do only give one side of the story and for teens they need more than one side and I don't feel like they support the teens after they convince them to keep the child.

agapecarrie

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_this-horrible-obama-admin-will-force-religious-institutions-cover-contraceptivessterilization?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:e43310d3-796c-4f22-b3b8-05b87088ba6ePost:088760d3-60e4-4b5e-9410-17a785825125">Re: This is horrible! Obama Admin will force religious institutions to cover contraceptives/sterilization!</a>:
[QUOTE]I feel like Unplanned is as unbiased as a Micheal Moore movie but I do semi-agree with your analogy lalaith50 but I feel those pregnancy centers do only give one side of the story and for teens they need more than one side and I don't feel like they support the teens after they convince them to keep the child.
Posted by pretzelgrrl[/QUOTE]

<div>You have a lot of feelings there, but not much fact.</div><div>
</div><div>Have you read unplanned? or do you just "feel like" its biased? She was an actual pp director...she worked for pp for many many years and discussed exactly what happened there. What is "biased" about the facts?</div><div>
</div><div>You have "feelings" about what pregnancy centers do and help with, but nothing to back it up.  Let me tell you I AM THE PRODUCT OF A PREGNANCY CENTER! I am alive today because of them.</div><div>
</div><div>My birth mother went to birthright for assistence. THey gave her counseling, home visits, assisted her in keeping me until she was too ill, then I was given up for adoption. Pregnancy centers want that baby to live...whether the mother keeps them or gives them up for adoption. Both of these options are better than being dead. </div><div>
</div><div>There is no more than "one side" when it comes to life. There is NO option of abortion. There is no option to killing human beings. </div>

pretzelgrrl

You do not know that what she is giving is facts.  Things can be made up to sell books just look at the book A Million Pieces and facts can be twisted see all Micheal Moore movies. 

I am also adopted...and it is wonderful that birthright helped your birth mother.  But, I have seen my share of facts that this doesn't happen all of the time and that sometime they leave once the baby is born and those teens need support to cope with their loss.  And just to let you know, I don't support abortion but I don't believe i should force my religions or religious beliefs on others only share my beliefs and religion with them.