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to invite, or not to invite?? kinda long...ok its long

I'm posting this on here because frankly, on the national boards, some people are really rude and I don't want people jumping down my throat. 

I have a friend (We will call her Sally) from high school that I originally asked to be in my wedding. She said yes & almost immediately started complaining about things. She would ask me about 1x/week why another friend from HS was not in the wedding (it was a hard decision, but in the end, we haven't talked in a long time and our friendship is not what it used to be) & when I told her why, she would keep bugging me ("Just put her in it"). She also complained about other things in the wedding, such as the flowers the BM would carry ("I don't like those" Really? I don't care. It's MY wedding) & also asked if her family could come to look at BM dresses because "they would like that". She came in January to visit (she lives on the west coast & her family was present, but not with us) to try on BM dresses & things were fine. 

Our STD's went out about 2 weeks later & a couple days later (on a sunday) Sally texted me and asked if her mom was invited. I said no, she asked again "No, you're not inviting my mom?" and I again said "No, I am not." Now, when her family was with us in January they did ask questions about the wedding but in no way, shape, or form did I ever indicate or hint they would be invited to the wedding. In fact, I was dreading being with her family. I absolutely cannot stand her mom and her mom in fact invited herself to our other friends wedding (my other BM) and then brought EIGHT people with her and gave a $20 gift. Now, I know gifts are "optional" but that is just downright rude. Sally does not know what really went down because our other friend does not have the heart to tell her how rude her mother was (I don't blame her). 

Before I get into things, keep in mind that our wedding is in plymouth, mi, Sally's family lives in michigan (on the other side of the state, but still on the way), and no parents are invited to the wedding, nor are children. All STD's were addressed appropriately (Mr. & Mrs. John Doe). Also, her daughter is 1 1/2 yrs old.

Anyway, about 30 minutes after the text, she called me and was literally screaming at me because I wasn't going to invite her mom and was like "I need someone to watch my daughter, etc etc." I was so in shock by the way she was talking to me that I wasn't even really processing what she was saying. My fiance was sitting across the room & could hear her screaming. I was trying to calmly tell her that her mom is not invited and that we are not inviting anyone's parents. She kept saying I need her to watch my child & her husband *might* not be able to come because he's applying to internships (not accepted, but applying) and why can't her mom just take his place. I was so caught off guard that I didn't even get to say children were not invited. She finally ended with "well if you don't invite my mom, then I can't be in your wedding." I was so stunned that I just said that I couldn't speak to her right now. I hung up and literally cried the hardest I ever had in my life. My fiance said he had never ever seen me so upset (bless his little heart that bought me a massage for the next day). 

Two days later she called me to talk. Again, it was much of the same stuff..."Someone needs to watch my kid", "why can't my mom come", "You're being insensistive", etc. I was offering suggestions "Fiance's sister has tons of great babysitters" (I don't want a stranger watching my kid), "Why don't you just leave baby with mom in hometown?" (I don't want to be away from her or I don't want to travel over there), Can baby stay home with husband if he doesn't come (I don't want to be away from her). I could go on and on with suggestions & excuses. At the beginning of the conversation that children were not invited & her response was how am i supposed to know that...invites havent gone out yet. I explained that the STD was addressed to the invitee's and she said "well then I guess I'm just ignorant for not understanding that kids aren't invited." The rest of the conversation was more of her yelling & me trying to stay calm (I am proud to say I did not yell back) & her being melodramatic. Finally I told her she needed to make a decision regarding if she can be involved in the wedding party. 

Finally on Friday, Sally texted me and told me that she was not going to be in the wedding. No phone call, no trying to work something out, no nothing. All I could say was ok. I just couldn't fight her anymore. Since then, she has not called, emailed, texted, didn't wish me happy birthday, no correspondance whatsoever. I am so hurt by her actions and behavior. I would never expect this type of behavior from a friend of 15 yrs. 

Our invites are supposed to go out in a couple weeks & right now I am feeling that I do not want her present for the wedding (neither does my fiance). I feel like if she was to get an invite & she would come, she would #1 bring her child, #2 bring her mom, #3 talk crap about me to our friends after a couple cocktails, and #4 her being there would not make my wedding any better...I would not care if she was there. I think my mind is set on not sending her an invite because I feel she has ruined and ended our friendship. I am curious about other people's opinions or thoughts on what you would do. 

Thanks for reading all of this!! :) 


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Re: to invite, or not to invite?? kinda long...ok its long

  • Oh wow. Good for you for sticking to your guns, I'm glad you didn't let her bully you around.

    Hopefully she will chill out and figure out she was being pretty crazy. I understand that she's upset but if you don't want kids at the wedding that's your perogative and you certainly don't have to invite her mother..though if she did want her mom to "replace" her husband I might let her do that but again, if the only reason was so she could watch the kid then no.

    I'd still send her the invite. If she doesn't come whatever. If she does and acts the way you anticipate then she looks like the idiot, not you. I doubt she'd bring her mom after all that but if she does, well you put on a smile and then proceed to never talk to her again.

    Sorry you've got all that drama. I think you've handled it well so far.
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  • She sounds CRAZY. If she is going to act like that she apparently isn't the friend you thought. I wouldnt invite her to the wedding and honestly if it was me I would get her the f$@& out of my life. I hate drama, so I might be a bit harsh --but it's like come on. How dumb would someone be to pull that crap...


    Anyhow--that may not be any advice hahah but I would have nothing to do with her. Her loss! 
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  • I would not invite her. She stepped down as a bm because you didn't invite her mom. And cause a whole boat load of unnecessary drama. Do you really want to deal with that the day of? I know you have been friends for 15 years. But she has also been your friend for that long and is still treating you like crap!!! Why would she want to come to your wedding anyway when she stepped down as a BM?
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  • Our friend (my other BM) thinks I will regret it if I don't invite her. I obviously don't know the answer to that now, but I am not gaining anything from her being invited (except for $$ from her meal!). My fiance doesn't want her there & says its my decision, but also says I should be the bigger person & invite her. 

    I do not want here there. I feel like if she were there, it would just be more drama. I wouldn't be happy to see her there and I don't feel like her behavior should be rewarded wtih a wedding invitation. In the midst of everything, she did say "well I can't be a bm, but I'll come as a guest." What?!? She would still have the same problem (her child)!! She has also yet to apologize to me. 
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  • I actually had something similar happen, with someone I had been friends with my whole life. We had not been as close lately, and we fought over wedding stuff. While we were not talking for several months, I realized that this fight had just exposed deeper issues in our relationship, and that I honestly just did not miss her the way you should miss a friend you can't speak to. I ended up breaking off the friendship entirely, as kindly as possible . I felt guilty at the time, but I really feel like I did the right thing. It wasnt a healthy relationship. So, I guess, long story short, you should let how you feel deep down about this woman guide your actions.
  • I had a BM drop out - she didn't necessarily cause any drama like yours, but I still invited her. She didn't come and we have not talked since. (Which is a bummer because I'm sad to see the friendship go). 

    I would still send an invite, but hope she doesn't come (she's on the west coast, right? so it's not like she can show up unexpectedly)
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  • I think that you have handled everything so far the absolute best you can. I would not invite her. I have chose to not invite 2 friends that I have been friends with for 10+ years, I just feel in the past couple years they have really made no effort to include me in things. I have already had a bridesmaid basically tell me she is bringing her mom as her plus one, even though I thought it was strange, that is a battle I am going to let go. I cant even believe that she would be upset about you not inviting her family and her child. The only children we are allowing are our first cousins. She has shown a complete lack of care about you and is making it about her, when it is your wedding.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_michigan-detroit_to-invite-or-not-to-invite-kinda-longok-its-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:88Discussion:08988772-4669-453e-a4b6-ed1b2db0a33dPost:f9303d88-d763-4095-a817-c967d41efb90">Re:to invite, or not to invite?? kinda long...ok its long</a>:
    [QUOTE]I actually had something similar happen, with someone I had been friends with my whole life. We had not been as close lately, and we fought over wedding stuff. While we were not talking for several months, I realized that this fight had just exposed deeper issues in our relationship, and that I honestly just did not miss her the way you should miss a friend you can't speak to. I ended up breaking off the friendship entirely, as kindly as possible . I felt guilty at the time, but I really feel like I did the right thing. It wasnt a healthy relationship. So, I guess, long story short, you should let how you feel deep down about this woman guide your actions.
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    This.  Some people are just toxic and those are not the kind of people you need in your life.  I think most of us have had such friends (or even family, which is whole different and harder ball of wax) at one point or another.  They only bring negativity into your life.  You don't need it.  Life is too short and full of wonderful people with which to surround yourself.  Cut it off, move forward.

    In the future (or even before the wedding), she may come back, apologize, have a change of heart.  Be open to that and to possibly bringing her back into your life if you still care about her but don't count on it.
  • honestly, I am sure you are emotional when venting all this but even so, this sounds awful and not like someone who is a good friend. It seems like you are at a lose lose situation if you arent able to have a proper conversation with her because if you don't invite her, you risk losing her as a friend forever. If you invite her without knowing she understands how you feel, then it may end bad the actual day of your wedding (like you mentioned). In no way should you feel bad about any of this.

    In my own opinion, you are better off without a friend like that.....
  • I've said it a few times, when there is drama, I am "Switzerland", ie the country that never gets into wars and is always neutral.

    However, in your case I agree with all those that said not to invite this "friend". I think she sounds emotionally immature and unrealistic. It is YOUR wedding, and it doesn't sound at all as though you are being bridezilla about any of it.

    In the future (or even before the wedding), she may come back, apologize, have a change of heart.  Be open to that and to possibly bringing her back into your life if you still care about her but don't count on it.

    I also agree with above from AmyNicole. Fences may be mended in the future, but I wouldn't count on it right now. For whatever reasons she went ballistic about all this, it is her life, and her issue. Do not allow people to make you feel things you do not want to feel.

    If you have mutual friends that are in your wedding party, inform them of the change in circumstances, and should this ex-BM/friend get in touch with them, let them know you don't want any more drama.

    FWIW: I had a VERY best friend in high school, we supported each other through the deaths of our brothers about 2 years apart, stayed friends for over 15 years after we graduated from high school. I stood up in her wedding, we had our first children 4 months apart, it goes on and on. For whatever reasons, she sort of stopped returning calls (this was before the internet), didn't respond to messages left, about 23 years ago when our kids were about 2 years old. To this DAY I don't know what happened. I have reached out to her a few times, and went to the memorial she had for her late father, at her home about a year ago. Her family & parents were like my second family. She was all "OH, I'm so HAPPY you came!". Gave her my business card, with my cellphone number on it. Afterward? NADA. BUPKUS. No contact whatsoever.

    Not sure what is worse, the slow death of a dear friendship or the nasty break you are having. At least you and your friend know what is precipitating this "end".

    Good luck. I think you have some great advice from everyone.
  • First off, I have to agree with you about the national boards, I stopped posting over there because quite frankly, I found people really mean and abrasive. Anyways, this girl obviously isnt that great of a friend if she was going to be that selfish, your lucky you got rid of her now and not later! I know some people are upset that Im not iniviting all their extended families families families to my wedding, but its just not going to happen. You offered her a babysitter, that was more than fair. Im sorry you have to deal with all this stress ontop of the stress of planning a wedding, but you need a supportive bridesmaid, not a selfish one. Im sure it can hurt if you feel you've lost her as a friend, but if she was going to act immaturely like that, maybe your better off. Hugs! and good luck!

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  • Thank you everyone for your comments!!! :)

    I really should have seen this earlier. Her mom was always crazy & inappropriate. (Apple--Tree). When she was dating her HS BF, she deserted all of us. When my dad died in HS she said "Why do you care? You don't even like your dad." (my parents were divorced & I never saw him much after). 

    Our friendship was kind of off during college...I went away & she didn't. She went through a really wild stage (worse than your typical college kid..drugs, drinking, sleeping w/married men) and we didn't talk for a couple years. Then she moved to Colorado for college & I didnt' really talk to her until we graduated. Then she got married, didn't tell any of us, then had a "real" wedding with all of us a year later & how do we find out she was already married....the stylist doing our hair the morning of!!! I flew across the country, stayed in a hotel for a whole week, then after the wedding, she doesn't even drive me & the other BM to the airport. I spent a serious amount of money on her wedding just days before I was moving to chicago for grad school. I was furious. Seriously. You cannot make this stuff up.

    We didn't talk for awhile after that & then when my other BM was getting married, we were both in her wedding & started talking again (about 3 yrs ago). "Sally" had her baby about 1 1/2 yrs ago, I sent her this huge gift & never received a thank you (by letter, phone, text, email, nothing). I had to call her to see if she received it & she just said something like yea i got it. 

    I don't feel like i gain anything anymore from being friends with her. Her being in my wedding was a result of me being in hers, us getting close again the last few years, & feeling an obligation to have her in it. I thankfully was able to have another friend step in & she has been amazing. I had to be honest with her about everything that happend & luckily she understood and was ok. You never like to see a 15 yr friendship end, but i guess i was "lucky" to have it happen when it did & not 2 months before the wedding.  
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  • This is sounds like a perfect example of "like mother, like daughter".  I would not invite her and tell her you agree that she is not a part of your wedding.  it's too much stresss from someone who should be minimizing stress for you.  it's selfish and frankly, doesn't sound like someone you should have as a friend.
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