seriously, let's talk about something

vallyhoo

Random:I like the spelling of 'spose'I do not like the word hooha, makes me want to change my username, meh

Lauren Beth

Another version of the passage, in New Living Translation, "But God made them male and female from the beginning of creation.  This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.  Since they are no longer two but one, let no one split apart what God has joined together." Just another perspective:  The sentiment is the same as the NAS version, that a man and woman join each other as one family, leaving behind their parents, past life, etc. and they are supposed to not let anything separate them.  I think that is a pretty normal and acceptable thing for those wanting to get married.    

crfische

I really like that, Dani.

wadingmoose

My issue with that one comes down to the creationism argument actually.  I don't believe in creationism so I wouldn't have a phrase in my wedding indicating that god created man.

sarah0725

OK, well real meaning as in, whenever I heard a priest explain it back when I was in school, that was basically what they said. It's also how I first learned that "cleave" can mean either to separate or to join together.Just saying that if one isn't being nuts and trying to turn the entire Bible into something that is against gay marriage, there's actually some good stuff in there. My dad always liked the fact that the Song of Solomon was read at his wedding (at my mom's insistence) despite the fact that he's not really religious, because he liked thinking of himself as a bridegroom leaping like a gazelle. But then, my dad is weird.

danieliza1127

The part about the pillars of the temple standing apart still gives me chills a year later.  I've always loved it and it is so meaningful to who my H and I are as a couple.  Anyway, I digress.Valleyhoo, the new interpretation of that verse that you posted just confirms to me again how the Bible can be translated to fit what people want it to say.  Someone re-wrote that passage to make it more PC.

dixiechicken

Jokes... 2 pretzels were walking down a dark alley...1 was assaulted. Ha!How do you make a tissue dance?   Put a little boogie in it;)Well, they always make me laugh!

crfische

I hear ya. I KA-RINGE whenever someone brings the Bible into a debate about..well..anything really.  

mandysmear

My friend just got married in a catholic church about a month ago.  The priest said something about how she would be a great mother and wife and something about taking care of the house.  I fuucking kid you not. Then he said to the groom, "you will be a good father and husband."  That's it.  My jaw actually dropped.  I was shocked.  And quickly remembered why we got married civily and not religiously.

mrsLesGrossman

current- this will be the coolest ad ever, to bad the subject matter blows-  [url]http://gawker.com/5341702/annoying-pop+up-ads-come-to-magazines[/url]  weekend- it is supposed to rain so we will be around and go to a few clubs  funny- meh 

vallyhoo

Me? I didn't post a verse, but I really like what you posted, Dani.

Lauren Beth

dani, i think it was my other translation you were refering to.  I agree, people can bend what the Bible says to mean what they want it to mean.  that was not my intention.  i do think that if you take the Bible TOO literally its a problem.  as in, "two become one flesh" does not have to mean, JUST having a sexual relationship.  like Mrs. Vogt said, that could also apply to making joint decisions, joint accounts, one house, etc. 

danieliza1127

Oops I'm sorry, it wasn't you valleyhoo!  It was Lauren Beth.  My bad.

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

This is going to out me for being a freak, but oh well..I actually believe some of the things that were in the bible and religious teachings are still true in MY particular case.For example, I believe it is my responsibility to care for our future children, take care of the household responsibilities, etc. I believe it is FI's responsibility to be the head of our family, provide financially, etc.That doesn't mean that if things got tough, I wouldn't work, or that he shouldn't be involved in our kids lives. And I'm sure there are Bible passages that say men and women should have those traditional roles, and it would piss off half my guests, but if that's what we believe for OUR particular family, then I don't see the big deal (especially if he's not forcing me into living that way like some husbands do with their wives).

Night_Sprite

I'm not a bible thumping person, either.  I like some of the Jesus stuff about being a good/kind/loving person, but some of it is no good.

vallyhoo

No worries, we all know most people go on siggy pics and not names!

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

Oh, and the other thing about the flesh. Fische, I think of sex too, immediately.But I can't remember which religion I heard this about - there is an expectation that sex with a spouse brings the couple closer to God somehow. I wish I could remember who I heard that from...maybe it's my LDS friend...

danieliza1127

Vogt, I don't think that makes you a freak at all.  Just traditional.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that way of thinking as long as you both agree to it and as long as you both are flexible in helping each other.  Meaning he'll help and be involved with the kids and you'll work if the family needs you to.

Lauren Beth

I actually believe some of the things that were in the bible and religious teachings are still true in MY particular case.Mrs. Vogt, if you are a freak then I am too.  To me, the Bible is a book that does have meaning to my life today.  I pretty much agree with everything you said. 

salt78

JJ! You are entitled to believe whatever you want. Just because some people don't think that way doesn't make you a freak. Like Fishy, I just don't appreciate when the Bible is used as ammo in a debate.

crfische

See, Georgia, I can respect that you think that way about your family. In my opinion it's ridiculous.I get upset when people who think one way think it's the only way and think that should guide the decisions of the world.  

BecW2be

But I can't remember which religion I heard this about - there is an expectation that sex with a spouse brings the couple closer to God somehow. Well, I certainly know I call out to him a LOT more when I'm having sex. Maybe that's the theory...

gkb0910

Mandy-that's a really traditional priest.  Most, I'd say, are not like that.  My brother's friend from HS got married.  He is some crazy religion now and the minister told his wife that she doesn't have an opinion anymore.  It all matters what her husband says.  She can pray to God about it, but it's all up to him.  This has been her religion her whole life. 

Night_Sprite

It is like Forgetting Sarah Marshall.  "You have Christ between your thighs."

mrsLesGrossman

How do Christians deal with different versions of text in the Bible?  There are different Bible versions and some of the stories contradict each other.  Are you supposed to consider them the word of G-d or are you supposed to consider the over all message?  I am just asking because the Torah(Old Testament in original form) has never been changed, ever.  Not one letter or phrase and the formatting is different. 

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

Salt, I don't either. There is too much there that's open for interpretation and there are too many things that could have gotten muddled through interpretation. I use the Bible (what I know of it) as sort of a guidepost to get me going in the right direction.That's why I always say I'm not "religious" so much as "faithful." My relationship with God is an individual ones where we sort of define the terms of being good, inclusive, loving, forgiving, etc. for the time that I live in now.And we're not so traditional that I think I'm entitled to stay home, or FI thinks he can just sit back and watch me handle the kids. And we've both talked if we have kids who want the reverse roles (a daughter as the breadwinner and a son who wants to stay home with the kids) that we've done our jobs in teaching them our values.I guess they're not really based on the gender roles, so much as we both agree one of us should be at home to raise the kids, one of us should be working, one should handle home chores, one should handle financial affairs, etc. It's a good system for us - divide and conquer

Night_Sprite

gkb, that is like FI's church.  The women aren't official people.  I went to a service once there.  Afterward I got shuffled downstairs to make potluck with the women while FI, then boyfriend, stayed at the meeting.  When they were done I took him outside for a second and said, "You know I'd never marry into this church, right?"  His immediate response was, "Oh God no."

tlv204

All I have is a joke.  My favorite joke ever which no one else ever thinks is as funny as I do.  There are two muffins in an oven.  One of them says "Wow, it's really hot in here."  The other one says "Holy crap! A talking muffin!" Hehe. I still wish we could have had a nonreligious ceremony, but it was really really important to DH.  That's one thing I don't like about the Catholic church is that there's no compromise.  It's either entirely Catholic, in the church with a priest and not a whole lot of say on the ceremony, or outside of the church and doesn't count as a sacrament.  Oh well.  I'd much rather have a couple of things that I wouldn't have personally chosen (luckily no woman subservient to man stuff) in the ceremony than have DH bitter at me forever for not having our marriage count in his church, particularly since we plan to raise our kids Catholic. 

Lauren Beth

How do Christians deal with different versions of text in the Bible? There are different Bible versions and some of the stories contradict each other. Are you supposed to consider them the word of G-d or are you supposed to consider the over all message? les grossman, can you give an example of different versions contradicting each other?

BecW2be

That's where me and the bible part ways. Until I can learn Hebrew and read the original text for myself, I have no way of knowing if it was translated correctly. It obviously wasn't, because there are so many versions floating about. If it was the true word of God, passed down from God, then every single translation would be divine and would be exactly the same. Human error prevents my belief in anything other than the original Hebrew text, which is impossible for me to read, thus plummeting my soul to eternal Hell. Can you pass me a martini?