The Knot Attracts Crazies

mrsLesGrossman

I checked back and don't think this was posted.  The Yale suspect or "person of interest", Ray Clark and his girlfriend according to the article, have a knot page, go search and you'll see it is now private- search results- [url]http://theknot.thenest.com/upwp/default.aspx?skin=theknot&fname=Jennifer&lname=Hromadka[/url]  page- [url]http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=7431785871901483&pid=2753477[/url]  here is the related article-  [url]http://gawker.com/5360758/what-we-know-about-raymond-j-clark-iii[/url]  Remember months ago the rapist and murder from Boston also had a knot wedding page?  That is kind of crazy.  I kind of wonder about these guys and what motivates them. 

Kati0105

I haven't been following this much over the past day or so - why is this guy a person of interest?  Just because he worked together and he had scratches on his arm?  That seems a little weak to me.  Do they suspect they were having an affair?

ac_in_dc

My favorite line from the Gawker article:One lesson in all this: You could theoretically be totally innocent of a crime, but still find everything you posted online end up in the tabloids. So think before you go too crazy on the internet.Seriously, though, I hope they find and charge the murderer.

mrsLesGrossman

They were supposed to say more at the press conference yesterday and they didn't.  He had DNA testing and they are waiting for results. 

ac_in_dc

There was some stuff about it in the Gawker article. Based on e-mails where he asked her to treat the mice better plus video surveillance of the building police got a warrant and searched his apt. and took DNA samples. But they haven't made an arrest or anything.

baystateapple

Ray Clark lives in the same town I work in.  True fact. Apparently his fiance deleted the page because a bunch of people were flaming her for being "stupid enough to date a lunatic and murderer."  Poor girl.  I'm sure she's going through enough agony right now without having people flame her.

danieliza1127

Kati - [url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/connecticut.missing.yale.student/index.html[/url]Remember months ago the rapist and murder from Boston also had a knot wedding page? That is kind of crazy. I kind of wonder about these guys and what motivates themA lot of serial killers and/or sociopaths lead a normal life on the outside with girlfriends, wives, etc.  I'm sure their FIs created the Knot wedding pages, just like we all did. 

Kati0105

Thanks Dani!I was actually wondering the other day if she had ever posted on here.  There's no way we'd ever really know.

mrsLesGrossman

People who abuse animals are not totally right in the head.  It is a sign for sociopaths to abuse animals when they are young or before they escalate to murder.  Even if he isn't the murderer, he clearly has issues with animals and they way he controlled his girlfriend. 

wadingmoose

Right.  Two guys were getting married to women who created knot pages.It's an epidemic!  The knot clearly attracts these women getting married.  What is it about violent men that draws them to women who will create profiles on a wedding site when they're getting married?  And, more importantly, does my having a profile here mean that my FI is a dangerous, violent man?  Or is my creating the profile going to make him that way? Chicken?  Egg?

ac_in_dc

I agree that animal abusers and controlling bfs can have messed up heads, but we just have one person's testimony so far that he's like this, right?

wadingmoose

Wait?  At what point was it proven that he abused animals?  Or is that because he works in a lab and requested that the victim treat the animals as directed by their protocols?  I'm confused.All I got from that story was "the guy was a guy."

ggmae

I don't know - I'm hesitant to assume he had something to do with it because we don't know many details. And there's a possibility that it may be a case where police are just reaching for anything they can get because what happened is so upsetting and they feel pressured to take some action.

tlv204

But I mean don't you ever wonder what if he's innocent? He was emailing her to treat the mice better, correct? Maybe I misread that part.  And yeah like PP said, only one person said that about yelling at children, caging his dog, and controlling his gf.  It's entirely possible that neighbor just exaggerated things after hearing he's a person of interest.  Not necessarily trying to defend him, just being devil's advocate.

ac_in_dc

One neighbor said the suspect kept his pitbull caged in the apt. and was controlling of his girlfriend, she could hear him yelling at her all the time.

mrsLesGrossman

Wading obviously it to slow to understand that the title is tongue in cheek.  How stupid are you that you have to jump on things I post?  Yeah, I wonder about these two guys, being engaged and planning their lives, how they can get caught up in this insanity.  Learn to fuucking read.   

ac_in_dc

Lucky for us we live in the age of DNA testing. (well, in this case it's lucky)

lillianchameleon

I can't believe Yale doesn't have cameras in their labs 24/7. I go to a smaller private college, and our labs have cameras.

mrsLesGrossman

I am not trying to mark him as guilty, I am commenting about them having knot pages and the situation is horrible.  Still, even if he is innocent, he personality does not seem normal. 

wadingmoose

I read.  I read the article you posted.  Just like everyone else here who commented.

danieliza1127

At what point was it proven that he abused animals?In the article, the neighbor says he kept a pit bull caged in his apartment.  I assume that's the animal abuse everyone is talking about.  I don't know how reliable the Gawker site is really.  I read CNN and go by that.  I would say the fact that they executed a search warrant of his house, forced him to give up his DNA, and gave him a polygraph would all pretty much point to him being their suspect.  Also the clothes found in the ceiling tiles supposedly weren't hers, so I'm betting they were his and they're just trying to get the DNA to confirm it.

mrsLesGrossman

Then wading, you are the prime example of a reading comprehension fail.  Dani, gawker is very reliable and they check their sources when they have their own material.  You see they hyperlink that says NYDN?  That is for the Daily News where they pulled the info from, it was not Gawker's content. 

wadingmoose

Caged/kenneled.  They're the same thing.  One has a negative connotation, one does not.I'm not commenting on the case because no one really has enough information to do anything with - including the police since he was released.  Did he do it?  Might've.  Might not have.  Funny thing about the American justice system and the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.I used to hear my neighbors fighting all the time - arguing about stupid things.  I'm pretty sure they've never murdered anyone.  Nor would I consider either of them abused.  The entire article was kinda pointless from my point of view.  Honestly, if the worst they could come up with about him is that "he kennels his dog" and "he yells sometimes," I know a whole lot of people who could also be tarred with that same brush.

wadingmoose

I'm sorry E.  It's clear we're having two different conversations here.  I'm commenting on the article you posted.  I also commented on your statement that the knot attracts crazies.At what point have I done anything that anyone else in this thread hasn't done?

danieliza1127

including the police since he was released.He was released because the warrant was to get his DNA only.  It's not like they arrested him for the crime and then released him.  This makes me think he wasn't willing to give it up voluntarily because everyone else did without a warrant, but for some reason with this guy they did a warrant (according to the articles). 

arbolita

I agree 100% with the subject title of this post.

wadingmoose

Dani, I haven't followed the case at all so you're coming at this with way more information than I have.  That said, I'm not really here to research American criminal cases so I will comment on the information provided.Apparently that's acceptable for most people.

danieliza1127

moose - the things I was saying were informational, not confrontational or trying to show you didn't know stuff.  I was just participating in the conversation, trying to talk about it, giving you more info, whatever.  I hope you're not aiming your disdain for E in my direction too because that wasn't my intention.

buttaflai

I just found an article describing the couple's intentions for their wedding. [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html[/url][img]http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/09/13/amd_annie_le_widawsky.jpg[/img]

mrsLesGrossman

They only have circumstantial evidence so far, not enough to hold him.  We'll know soon enough if he will be arrested or if they will move on.  Hopefully they are not just sticking to him and are still searching every option.  A friend works on The First Twenty Four, a show about the first twenty four hours of a crime.  They lost a lot of evidence in the time it took to find her. 

wadingmoose

I think the problem there Dani is I'm not really all that concerned about the details.  And I still think it's ridiculous that anyone published the article that was linked.