Anyone seen this?

colleenspencer

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=16464532&ch=224106   

ac_in_dc

Whoa...crazy. Best argument for premarital (or pre love!!) sex I've ever seen.

colleenspencer

I think I just found my no sex excuse.

ac_in_dc

ohh...I just heard they used condoms before. Ouch!! That's awful.

lyndausvi

That is awful.

colleenspencer

It's sad that the treatment didn't work.   Not only can they not have a baby together, but to have to use condoms FOREVER????  That sucks.

anna.oskar

wow.  I've heard of that but thought it was just an urban legend/joke. that sucks!

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

Can't watch videos at work Anyone want to sum up?

ac_in_dc

couple uses condoms until their wedding night, when they realize that she is painfully allergic to his sperm (like blisters and all). Allergy treatments didn't work for them, and their beliefs won't let them do IVF, so they're looking to adopt now.

wed0608

That's sad. Out of curiosity, does anyone know what religion might disapprove of IVF? IVF was the first thing I thought of when they said they wanted a family.

ac_in_dc

I'm pretty sure if you're hard core catholic you couldn't do it. Because it's like a little abortion for the embryos you don't use.

ac_in_dc

Although I know a number of catholics who have done IVF.

wadingmoose

I know a hardcore catholic who did IVF.  Her mother is not amused, but loves her grandchildren like crazy.

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

Oh my gosh, poor things :(I think AC is right about hardcore Catholics. The general consensus is that you shouldn't do anything to aid or hinder fertility because ultimately, God decides who has a baby and when. Something like that. It's been awhile since I classified myself as Catholic and heard the rules on this stuff.

wed0608

Catholocism makes sense, now that I think about it. I hope adoption works out for them!

kate51485

Can't do video, thanks for the CN...that is so bizarre!  I would be heartbroken.  And pissed.

Tequint

That's pretty devastating. I would think it would be hard to make a marriage survive if you're allergic to the other person. Sad Day :-(

mandysmear

Condoms suck.

colleenspencer

If they were "hardcore" catholics though do you think they'd have been using condoms to begin with?  Isn't all birth control a no no?

ac_in_dc

If they were "hardcore" catholics though do you think they'd have been using condoms to begin with? Isn't all birth control a no no? Yeah, it is. But BC is a pretty small-time sin. Abortion is huge (mortal sin).

kate51485

And what about the sex before marriage?  Are they cherry picking?

wadingmoose

Yeah.  I don't want to believe in the god who caused the situation that made infertility a reality in the way he did for some people.

ac_in_dc

I don't know. Maybe they're not Catholic. But like I said, pre-marital sex and contraception are way smaller infractions than abortion. Or maybe they had a change of heart and became more religious after marriage. Who knows...I'm just speculating.

colleenspencer

Oh  I wasn't trying to start anything by pointing out their using BC before.  I was just thinking out loud, so to speak.

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

I don't understand a lot of the things the Catholic church lays down. Some things, I really do get. And some things, I can get behind in theory, but not practice.But, I do think that even though infertility must be awful for a couple going through it, it's a great thing that these people are willing to adopt. A lot of kids have gotten great homes and parents because of infertility issues. So...it's a silver lining, I guess, if you want to look at it in that way.

ac_in_dc

Yeah. I don't want to believe in the god who caused the situation that made infertility a reality in the way he did for some people.That brings up a lot of deep issues, actually. Not to get all religious or anything, but for me, when I think about the problems in the world large and small, I try to zoom way the fuuck back and figure that there's a point of view wider than my own whereby all of this shiit makes sense.And as for uber-catholics doing seemingly illogical stuff, I tend to cut them some slack as long as it's not impinging upon the rights of others. They're just trying to figure out a way to do the right thing...some folks are smug about it, but most people I know are not, they're genuinely reflective and have doubts just like the rest of us.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

Eh, there's a difference between pre-marital sex and messing around with embryos. I'm with AC on this one, even though I'm not Catholic and not religious. I personally don't know that I'm comfortable with IVF even without being religious, so I tend to eyeroll knee jerk "they can just do IVF and everything will be great!" reactions. No offense to people who do it. I'd just chose adoption first.Also, condoms stop sperm+egg from meeting, BC stops ovulation, so it's a bit more invasive if you want to think of it like that, even though I know plenty of Catholics who use BCPs.But holy crap, blisters in the vajayjay? Owwwwww.

wadingmoose

See, I can understand infertility and I'm pretty accepting of that.     But in the case of the people I know, he became infertile through treatments for cancer at 20.  Does this mean he was fine to procreate so long as he did it before 20?  I'm not a firm believer in any organized religion, but I have my own (rather vague and untested) belief system based on what I've read and interpreted in the bible.  I'm not so sure I believe that all of the bad in the world is perpetuated by God.  There's still the entire Devil argument.  I'm pretty sure he's not hanging around in hell just waiting for people to show up. I prefer to believe that disease, pestilence, etc aren't God's doing.  Which means it isn't God's will that someone who had cancer at 20 and received medical treatment to cure be infertile from said treatment.But that's just me.

Soon-to-be Mrs. Vogt

Moose, from your description, it sounds like we have a similar viewpoint on things like that.I don't think God would choose to make him infertile. I also don't think diseases are created by God. I think there is evil out there, so it may have been created by that, or diseases my have just happened over time because of living conditions, genetics, lifestyle choices, etc. It's impossible to know why things happen the way they do. I went through that when my mom died suddenly. I couldn't understand why God would take her from us when we still needed her, and without the chance to say goodbye...it was a time of a lot of doubt. But now, the only way I can look at it is that there must be a bigger picture that I can't see. That's the only way I can understand it. There's got to be a plan and I don't have to understand it for it to keep going. Religious rambling over

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

I guess I think if God exists, it's more like he sets things in motion. Because otherwise I can't explain why he would go through a rolodex and say, "Hmm, think I'm going to give you cancer!" Things like disease and evil mutated over time and aren't something specifically created by God. Though religious people would probably say that the earthly world has to have some bad with the good to differentiate it from heaven. But since I don't believe in the after life...