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Holy. Flying. Monkeys.

Ok, maybe it's not quite that bad, but I'm annoyed.

We asked FI's mom for a list of guests back at the beginning of the year, and she gave us the names of some family members and two other couples, all of whom we happily added to our list - no biggie. Because her list was smaller than we expected, we asked her (at the time) if she was sure this was everyone that she wanted included, and she assured us it was. We had already chosen a venue, and booked it after making sure that it would accomodate our guest list (it did).

Fast forward to tonight....plans are in the works for a local shower that some of my wonderful FSILs are hosting. Tonight, FMIL announces to me and FI that she called FSIL #1 last night and added the names of several local ladies to the shower guest list. What's the problem, you ask? For starters, I've never met (or, in some cases, never even heard the names of) these ladies. Secondly, they aren't on the wedding guest list, nor do we presently have room to add them. If we get enough declines (and we probably will), then we are happy to invite these ladies and their families to the wedding. But we won't know for sure if we can do this before the shower.

And the best part? When I tell her that, while I understand why she wants to invite them, I'm not comfortable with that at this point because proper etiquette says everyone invited to the shower has to be invited to the wedding, and we can't guarantee before the shower that this will be possible, she says, "Well, I know that's how it's supposed to be done, but I know that these people won't drive all that way for the wedding, so you don't even need to send them a wedding invitation. But I think it's important to invite them to the shower. The shower will be right here in town, and their feelings will be very hurt if they're not invited."

*headdesk*

And FWIW, our venue is an hour and a half away and it's an afternoon wedding in June....it's not like we're asking people to swim the English Channel or dog-sled through a blizzard to get to our wedding or anything.
So there's a very real chance that all of these new people could show up at our wedding if invited. Along with all of the other people we're planning to invite.

So, I really just needed to rant, and make sure I have all of my bases covered in the event that she persists in following the path of Emily Post's evil twin. FI is going to address this with her again tomorrow.  I talked to one of the FSILs and gave her the heads up about FMIL, and we (FI, FSIL, and I) agreed that we could probably accomodate two of the ladies that really should have been on the list to begin with (one of my uncles, who has many children, has already said he won't be able to make it to the wedding, and that's unlikely to change). We'll see about adding the other people she wants after we get enough declines, but they won't be invited to the shower. Am I missing anything?

CN: FMIL has lost her mind and her manners, and we're trying to help her find them. We've looked under all the beds, in the closets, behind the shower curtain, and in the liquor cabinet, all to no avail (but damn, this Kahlua tastes good!). Any ideas?

Re: Holy. Flying. Monkeys.

  • Maybe they are under the couch cushions? I am always shocked what I find under there. 

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_holy-flying-monkeys?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:35aa253b-0c55-4053-a58f-c0c8e61eb1caPost:86c3a84c-cea1-49be-b29c-53186bf779d3">Re: Holy. Flying. Monkeys.</a>:
    [QUOTE]Maybe they are under the couch cushions? I am always shocked what I find under there. 
    Posted by mrsamyjones[/QUOTE]

    <div>Ha!  I would check the last place you look, that always works. </div><div>
    </div><div>Seriously though, the same thing happened to us!  We actually had to change the venue last month because FMIL sent out save the dates without asking us, <em>after</em> giving us a much smaller initial list, but then she assured us none of the extra 150 invitees would bother to show up.  Unfortunately, that brought our guest list up to 350, with a capacity limit of 200 at our initial venue.  Oh, and they are not contributing anything to the wedding. </div><div>
    </div><div>GL!</div>
  • Can I ask how old these women are the FMIL wants to invite?

    I ask, becuase my G'Ma has a whole group that would have fallen into your situation, but they are also married to old cranky men who want to eat by 4 PM and be in bed by 9, so they would never come to the wedding.  The shower invite would give them a reason to get dressed nicely, have an afternoon out, and celebrate the wedding with us.
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  • Best CNs ever.

    I totally see this happening with FMIL.  She has sooo many business acquaintances.
  • Yeah, I agree.  The CN's were the best part of this post. lol
  • Oh, yeah, ITA about the CN's assessment. Love the German Shorthaired Pointer, too.

    As for advice, I think you and your FI are handling it perfectly. Stick around, Newb. (P&)E can use some new blood with common sense.
  • I understand being frustrated with this.....I had to deal with the same situation with my FMIL.  She was throwing me the shower.  One day at lunch she told me about all these ladies she has known for years & knew my FI growing up.  I expressed my concern because they were not invited to the wedding.  She told me how she went to their kids showers & never was invited to wedding.  She lives in a small community, so to not cause waves I dropped it.
  • Great CN but can you put them at the top next time?  Some people are touchy about that.  Sorry - couldn't resist.

    Seriously, time to put your foot down.  I told my mother and MIL up front that we were going to decide who was invited to our wedding.  I knew that our venue was too small to be inviting their friends.  And we stuck with that.  Our guests were OUR guests.  If my Mom's friend or MIL's friend was invited, it was because DH and I wanted them there.  You can't do anything about the shower if she is organizing it, but you can let her know that these people (who you don't even know) are not going to be part of the invite list.
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    [QUOTE]I understand being frustrated with this.....I had to deal with the same situation with my FMIL.  She was throwing me the shower.  One day at lunch she told me about all these ladies she has known for years & knew my FI growing up.  I expressed my concern because they were not invited to the wedding.  She told me how she went to their kids showers & never was invited to wedding.  She lives in a small community, so to not cause waves I dropped it.
    Posted by *BeachBride0410*[/QUOTE]
    my situation exactly. it would have hurt my FMIL's feelings for me to turn down her local shower where 2/3 of the shower guest list are women I don't even know and definitely are not invited. le sigh. *headdesk*
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  • CN made me giggle.  Nicely done.  And that's all I got.

  • Yikes, Id stick to my guns.   What she is doing is wrong and rude.  Have FI deal with her though (IMO).  Good luck!
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Holy. Flying. Monkeys. : my situation exactly. it would have hurt my FMIL's feelings for me to turn down her local shower where 2/3 of the shower guest list are women I don't even know and definitely are not invited. le sigh. *headdesk*
    Posted by pooh8402[/QUOTE]

    We do live in a small rural community that is starting to feel like a condensed version of the 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon (FI and his parents have spent pretty much their entire lives here). And to answer another poster's question, FMIL is 78, and I believe that all of the extra ladies in question are around the same age (FI was most definitely an "oops" baby<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />). Oh, and FMIL is not hosting the shower - the FSILs are. As far as I know, FMIL has nothing to do with the planning.

    So, if I'm understanding correctly, even though it's totally wrong etiquette-wise, it's not the end of the world if we let FMIL invite some of her friends to the shower, and their feelings won't be hurt if we can't invite them to the wedding?
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    [QUOTE]Great CN but can you put them at the top next time?  Some people are touchy about that.  Sorry - couldn't resist.
    Posted by iamjoesgurl[/QUOTE]


    Ha! I thought about it, since I know how you all feel about that, but I was feeling rebellious :)
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    [QUOTE]Oh, yeah, ITA about the CN's assessment. Love the German Shorthaired Pointer, too. As for advice, I think you and your FI are handling it perfectly. Stick around, Newb. (P&)E can use some new blood with common sense.
    Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for all of the above!

    We actually have two pointers - both from the same litter. Shane (the one in the picture) fancies himself to be a lap dog. We also have 5 other dogs, but we live on a farm, so we have the room.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Holy. Flying. Monkeys. : We do live in a small rural community that is starting to feel like a condensed version of the 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon (FI and his parents have spent pretty much their entire lives here). And to answer another poster's question, FMIL is 78, and I believe that all of the extra ladies in question are around the same age (FI was most definitely an "oops" baby ). Oh, and FMIL is not hosting the shower - the FSILs are. As far as I know, FMIL has nothing to do with the planning. So, if I'm understanding correctly, even though it's totally wrong etiquette-wise, it's not the end of the world if we let FMIL invite some of her friends to the shower, and their feelings won't be hurt if we can't invite them to the wedding?
    Posted by sweetviolet[/QUOTE]

    Where do you live?  I grew up in the midcoast area. :)

    It's times like this I'm glad I don't have FILs...at least none we're speaking to...
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Holy. Flying. Monkeys. : Where do you live?  I grew up in the midcoast area. :) It's times like this I'm glad I don't have FILs...at least none we're speaking to...
    Posted by lisarose7[/QUOTE]

    I also have family in Portland and Biddeford/Saco, as well as family and friends scattered around Maine

    (Stupid TK wouldn't let me edit my last post)
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