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J&K10910

True TJ.  However, a lot of people's jobs also don't involve supervising a classroom full of children.

temerityjane

A room full of middle schoolers having a free period doesn't really require the teacher to be staring at them with undivided attention. A lot of people burn up a LOT of work hours here. I feel like MissCourtney is being picked on because it's the flavor of the moment, especially w/ what Squirrly said - like a teacher owes us, a message board, an explanation of what she does with her time and students.

J&K10910

I'm hardly even around enough to know what the current flavor of the moment is. 

squirrly

TJ, I have no idea what you're referring to.  However, if she spent all day knotting and not doing anything related to her actual job, that seems pretty crappy to me.  

I knot from work, but while I have other stuff running, while I'm waiting for something to finish, waiting for a conference call to start, etc.  Not in lieu of my job.  

beatlesgirl25

I still don't really get how so many of you can knot from work and still do your jobs. I don't mean this in a doubting way at all, I just mean I have trouble doing it while trying to write at home. I just can't split my focus like that. But I can see how an office job with multiple tasks might be more amenable to that.

I would think it would be much trickier in a job that requires a lot of interaction with others, like teaching. I know once I start my new job doing therapy there's no way in hell I'll be knotting until I get home. Even the 10 minutes between sessions isn't enough to really get into what's happening on the board.

nda_roxybabe

Beatles- I cant. When I knot from work I'm not working. Unless I'm answeringthe phone and scheduling. I guess I can do my work, if its slow. That being said though, I make sure all my stuff is done and then I knot.

beatlesgirl25

Well, that's responsible of you. Glad I'm not alone too! It's great when you have a job that has natural breaks or short-term tasks like that.

Lenore2010

My job has a million little short term tasks and a few others that involve a lot of concentration. If I did not take a few breaks a day to do stuff like Knot, I would go nuts. 

sucrets4

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[QUOTE]<strong>A room full of middle schoolers having a free period doesn't really require the teacher to be staring at them with undivided attention.</strong> A lot of people burn up a LOT of work hours here. I feel like MissCourtney is being picked on because it's the flavor of the moment, especially w/ what Squirrly said - like a teacher owes us, a message board, an explanation of what she does with her time and students.
Posted by temerityjane[/QUOTE]

Have you ever taught middle school?    If you haven't then you really aren't qualified to make this statement.

They absolutely need your full attention, and to be staring at a computer while kids are in the room is unprofessional. 

Every day should have something instructional, even if some days are 'heavier' than others.

temerityjane

You're totally right. She definitely should come back here and let us know exactly what she taught her students that day so we, as a group, can decide if it was okay that she spent her time on The Knot.

*eyeroll*

sucrets4

Look,  I knot at work, but only on my free periods.  When you're in the classroom, you need to be watching the kids, regardless of what they're doing.

And you didn't answer my first question.  Good job at trying to avoid it, though.

arbolita

You also have to consider that she's also supposed to be setting an example for these kids, and if they know she's bumming around on the internet during class time, they'll follow her lead. 

J&K10910

I think that's pretty much the theme of TK (at least this board).  Judge what people do (or at least what they say they do) as a group.  Sometimes, GASP, people have the same opinions.  With so many posters here, that's bound to happen, yet it always gets classified as group think.  Yes, sometimes the group think is obvious, but heaven forbid a group of people have the same opinion on something.

In the case of a teacher knotting while she has a classroom full of middle schoolers under her supervision, I guess I can't say I'm surprised a few people are of the opinion that perhaps that wasn't the best choice.

damaless

I'm pretty sure if the school has a problem with her being on the computer while the kids have a free period, that's business between her and the school.  I don't understand why so many people on this board feel like everyone must account for their actions to them.

beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]I'm pretty sure if the school has a problem with her being on the computer while the kids have a free period, that's business between her and the school.  <strong>I don't understand why so many people on this board feel like everyone must account for their actions to them.</strong>
Posted by damaless[/QUOTE]

Not to grossly overgeneralize or anything... <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif" border="0" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" />

arbolita

And because clearly administrators always know what their employees are doing.

kikibaby

I do think everyone has been really hard on Misscourtney this week.  She's not the only teacher that posts on these boards, and it's honestly none of our business.  It doesn't mean she's staring at the computer completely oblivious to what is going on around her.

I knot at work all the time, but I still do my job, interact with my co-workers, etc.  Browsing a message board is really not that all-consuming.

arbolita

Eh, I think it was a legitimate question of me to ask.  We have teachers who post here, but I've always been under the impression they are not doing it while they have a class full of students in the same room.

kikibaby

I would assume that too, but I don't know that to be true.  And if the kids are watching a movie like she said, they really don't need her undivided attention.  My teachers didn't have computers, but I remember them reading/grading papers/eating, while we had "free" periods.

sucrets4

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[QUOTE]I'm pretty sure if the school has a problem with her being on the computer while the kids have a free period, that's business between her and the school.  I don't understand why so many people on this board feel like everyone must account for their actions to them.
Posted by damaless[/QUOTE]

If my kid's teacher was on the internet messing around instead of TEACHING you can bet I'd be livid.  And yes, Arbs is right, administrators can't be in every classroom every minute of the day.

That being said, I think she's a troll, but TJ's comment annoyed me.  Middle school kids can do stupid, stupid things...and I mean the good ones, too. 

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: nda_roxybabe : If my kid's teacher was on the internet messing around instead of TEACHING you can bet I'd be livid.  And yes, Arbs is right, administrators can't be in every classroom every minute of the day. That being said, I think she's a troll, but TJ's comment annoyed me. <strong> Middle school kids can do stupid, stupid things...and I mean the good ones, too. </strong>
Posted by sucrets4[/QUOTE]

I know some adults that could still benefit from being supervised.  So middle schoolers?  ....yeah.

beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]I would assume that too, but I don't know that to be true.  And if the kids are watching a movie like she said, they really don't need her undivided attention.  My teachers didn't have computers, but I remember them reading/grading papers/eating, while we had "free" periods.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

She seems to do an awful lot of daytime knotting though. How many movies are these kids watching?

sucrets4

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[QUOTE]I would assume that too, but I don't know that to be true.  And if the kids are watching a movie like she said, they really don't need her undivided attention.  My teachers didn't have computers, but I remember them reading/grading papers/eating, while we had "free" periods.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

I know I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that when my kids are watching a movie, my attention is on what they're doing, even if I'm grading papers.  Typing on a message board would require too much attention and thought that would be taken away from the kids.

And YES, middle school kids watching a movie need to know that they're being watched by a teacher.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]I do think everyone has been really hard on Misscourtney this week.  She's not the only teacher that posts on these boards, and it's honestly none of our business.  It doesn't mean she's staring at the computer completely oblivious to what is going on around her. I knot at work all the time, but I still do my job, interact with my co-workers, etc.  Browsing a message board is really not that all-consuming.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

<div>I'm with this. I'm not sure I agree about this free friday thing she does where her students just seem to have free periods, but hey, I'm not a middle school teacher. However, my job is very monotonous - I do the same things everyday, which involves clicking around some websites, downloading some stuff, copying and pasting, sending a few emails with data sets - you get the idea. Rarely do I need to focus my attention on a call or a meeting. </div><div>
</div><div>I feel like if you get your work done, whatever. If you can get all your work done and knot 3 hours a day, more power to ya. I suppose the question is whether or not MissCourtney was doing her job, but I personally don't give a crap. It's really not my business.</div>

MISSCOURTNEY20

Amazing! Who would have thought that my comment about my students would have sparked so much interest. I will try to address all of the "concerns" that were brought up to the best of my ability. *clearing my throat*

No, I did not teach at all on Friday *Gasp from the crowd* Free Friday equals no instruction. We had a very short week which included the holiday and a field trip. So there was a day of reflection and the other day we finished up an assignment from last week.

As some of you may have done, and some not, in middle school we have what is called departmental. My 150 students change classes from 9:15am until 2:05 with lunch in there at some point. They have 1 hour rotations and my home room is with me for 30 minutes in the morning and they don't see me again until 2:45. I was not sitting in the same classroom, with the same students, all day knotting.

Also, we are talking about students who have been with me for 164 days. They KNOW that I don't not play when it comes to their behavior EVER! I am the teacher on the floor, of 200 students, who can clear it, when I walk out of my classroom. I can leave my students in the classroom alone, while I run to the washroom, and I know nothing is going to happen because they don't want to have to deal with me. I am the teacher who does not have to write write-ups because I don't have those problems out of my students. Yeah they have their days when they are super chatty, as middle schoolers are, and because my tolerance for that is very low, I do complain but that is about the extent of it.

I know my job and I do it well. Yes, I am knotting mostly during the day because when I get home, I am with my family. During the day, I have a schedule that I keep to the minute, because with middle schoolers, I must. I give my instruction, we have discussion and then they are on their own. At the beginning of the year, I am never out of their eyesight and they are never out of mine. They come into my room in September and they already know about Ms. Lastname. Yes, many of them are fearful but by November, they love me and understand why I am so hard on them. I need them to be the young adults who can be pillars in a community that is dying. And I do whatever I can do to make sure that my students won't be statistics.

I could also not care less about people being hard on me. I actually find it humorous. You don't know me but what I say can have such an affect on you that you feel the need to be nasty. I am not about that. And I can only give the honor to God. He change me and for that I am grateful. The old Courtney would have taken everything, negative, that you have said about me and lashed out at all of it. But I am soooo over that.

Thanks to all of you have been supportive on this thread and others. I am not here to cause drama or negativity. I am here to get ideas for my wedding and that is it. Many of you have found friends here and that is great. Some of you have made enemies and that is sad. But it is what it is.

Sorry this was so long but I had to address all of the concerns from you guys who are so concerned about my students. I thank you and I am sure they would too.