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Should I invite my father to my wedding?

Hello everyone. I have a situation, my father. I am trying to see how others would perceive the decision I am thinking about making. My father and I have not had a great father/daughter relationship since I was about 5 when he decided that I no longer needed a father figure in my life and stopped being a father to me. During my very young adolescent years he would drunkenly beat my mother up in front of me and my sibling’s eyes and run her out of our lives. He had a great job and so did his parents so my mother couldn't take him to court for custody. I lived with him but had to do everything for myself. I moved out to live with my mom and step dad when I was 12 due to how my father and his awful wife treated me. He would always take her side over us kids’ side even if he knew she was wrong. Whenever I would need help with money or say need new school clothes when I was in grade school or high school, he would always give me some lame excuse such as “you know I just gave all I had to your sister" or " I don’t have any money". He took me off his insurance plans and stopped caring about my well being once I moved in with my mom always saying "You live with her she can take care of your insurance and school needs". I only see him on the major holidays and it is weird. He tries to be a loving father and hug me and tell me he misses me but after the holidays I don't hear from him ever.  When my fiancé and I told him and his awful wife we were engaged he did nothing along the lines of offering to help with the expenses, which he did for my sister’s wedding. My mother has helped and my fiancés mother has helped but he won’t. When I called him and asked him to help he gave me his usual excuses and was telling me that a wedding should only cost $1000.00 and that we were doing it all wrong and were picking things that were too expensive. Well after a year he finally came around and said he would help buy the alcohol, but then the story changed a little while after. Then yesterday I was on the phone with him. The whole conversation was horrible from the start. I accidentally called him without knowing and he says "what is your brain messed up?" then picks an argument with me over why we have tux rentals set up for my fiancés dad and my step dad, asking me who my father is and why would I need to have three rentals asking if I had three fathers, then asks me if he is walking me down the aisle. I told him no and that my mother was going to walk me down the aisle. His response to me was this "your mother? What are you two lesbians?”.  I kid you not. Those were his exact words to me. Then he went on to insinuate that my wedding was going to be horrible because I was having her walk me down and not him. He kept saying “well if I see you there I hope it’s not bad". He seriously upset me. I want nothing more than to not invite him. I have always wanted to not invite him and his wife but for some reason I am afraid of hurting anyone’s feelings and making family matters worse. But the thing is that he is always hurting my feelings and not worrying about the repercussions of it all. He always insults and offends my mother and me, and now he is insulting my fiancé and my’s wedding. My fiancé told me yesterday after that conversation, which he heard my half of it in the car while I was on the phone with my father, that he didn’t even want him at the wedding anymore. Will not inviting him be a bad bridal mistake or will it be understood by everyone who isn't a family member that already knows him?

Please let me know your feelings on this. I do not care if they are what I do not want to hear but I just need some opinions from people who arent in my family.

Thank you to all who reads and responds to this. It means a lot to me.

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  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    You were out of line to ask him for money for the wedding (and it sounds as though you should have already known what his answer would be) but his emotionally abusive comments to you about you and your mom being lesbians (which is disturbing because what on Earth would him walking you down have to do with sexual orientation?) in addition to your lousy childhood would definitely be enough to make me consider not inviting him.

    But by not inviting him, you will likely further damage your relationship with him -- perhaps forever. You have to know that and be OK with it going in. If you don't invite him to your wedding you're essentially cutting him out of your life.

    He sounds as though he deserves it.
    Lizzie
  • Have you already invited him? I can't see you being able to uninvite him, but either way, if you uninvite him or don't invite him at all, I cannot see you ever having a relationship with him ever again. If that is what you want, then go for it. I would not accept any money from him, and if he gave you money already, give it back.

    BUT don't base this decision on "well he gave my sister money and not me so he obviously hates me,"  because you do seem a bit bitter about that.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:7580efa5-fec3-4842-81d1-709d935598d1">Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hello everyone. I have a situation, my father. I am trying to see how others would perceive the decision I am thinking about making. <div>
    </div><div>My father and I have not had a great father/daughter relationship since I was about 5 when he decided that I no longer needed a father figure in my life and stopped being a father to me. During my very young adolescent years he would drunkenly beat my mother up in front of me and my sibling’s eyes and run her out of our lives. He had a great job and so did his parents so my mother couldn't take him to court for custody. I lived with him but had to do everything for myself.</div><div>
    </div><div> I moved out to live with my mom and step dad when I was 12 due to how my father and his awful wife treated me. He would always take her side over us kids’ side even if he knew she was wrong. Whenever I would need help with money or say need new school clothes when I was in grade school or high school, he would always give me some lame excuse such as “you know I just gave all I had to your sister" or " I don’t have any money". He took me off his insurance plans and stopped caring about my well being once I moved in with my mom always saying "You live with her she can take care of your insurance and school needs".</div><div>
    </div><div> I only see him on the major holidays and it is weird. He tries to be a loving father and hug me and tell me he misses me but after the holidays I don't hear from him ever.  When my fiancé and I told him and his awful wife we were engaged he did nothing along the lines of offering to help with the expenses, which he did for my sister’s wedding. My mother has helped and my fiancés mother has helped but he won’t. When I called him and asked him to help he gave me his usual excuses and was telling me that a wedding should only cost $1000.00 and that we were doing it all wrong and were picking things that were too expensive. Well after a year he finally came around and said he would help buy the alcohol, but then the story changed a little while after. </div><div>
    </div><div>Then yesterday I was on the phone with him. The whole conversation was horrible from the start. I accidentally called him without knowing and he says "what is your brain messed up?" then picks an argument with me over why we have tux rentals set up for my fiancés dad and my step dad, asking me who my father is and why would I need to have three rentals asking if I had three fathers, then asks me if he is walking me down the aisle. I told him no and that my mother was going to walk me down the aisle. His response to me was this "your mother? What are you two lesbians?”.   I kid you not. Those were his exact words to me. Then he went on to insinuate that my wedding was going to be horrible because I was having her walk me down and not him. He kept saying “well if I see you there I hope it’s not bad". </div><div>
    </div><div>He seriously upset me. I want nothing more than to not invite him. I have always wanted to not invite him and his wife but for some reason I am afraid of hurting anyone’s feelings and making family matters worse. But the thing is that he is always hurting my feelings and not worrying about the repercussions of it all. He always insults and offends my mother and me, and now he is insulting my fiancé and my’s wedding. My fiancé told me yesterday after that conversation, which he heard my half of it in the car while I was on the phone with my father, that he didn’t even want him at the wedding anymore.</div><div>
    </div><div> Will not inviting him be a bad bridal mistake or will it be understood by everyone who isn't a family member that already knows him? Please let me know your feelings on this. I do not care if they are what I do not want to hear but I just need some opinions from people who arent in my family. Thank you to all who reads and responds to this. It means a lot to me.
    Posted by ael_6584[/QUOTE]</div><div>
    </div><div>Do you want to continue to have a relationship with your father? If so, then you should invite him to the wedding. If not, then I see no reason to feel obligated to invite him. Not inviting your father to your wedding is a probable relationship ending move, especially as he seems to be so up in arms over you not wanting him walking you down the aisle. </div><div>
    </div><div>If you do not invite him to the wedding, prepare for possible fallout from other members of your family from his side - Aunts, cousins, grandparents, etc. </div><div>
    </div><div>I'm sorry you're dealing with this, it sounds like a very difficult situation. 

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  • Do you think he will cause a scene at the wedding? If he's going to be a distraction, then don't invite him. Do you think you'll be more upset that he was there and ruined your good time or that he wasn't there at all? It sounds like he needs to grow up and be a father. Until then, don't let him to get to you I know, easier said than done
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:41a09385-643f-4eed-b272-366729a57836">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong>You were out of line to ask him for money for the wedding</strong> (and it sounds as though you should have already known what his answer would be) but his emotionally abusive comments to you about you and your mom being lesbians (which is disturbing because what on Earth would him walking you down have to do with sexual orientation?) in addition to your lousy childhood would definitely be enough to make me consider not inviting him. But by not inviting him, you will likely further damage your relationship with him -- perhaps forever. You have to know that and be OK with it going in. If you don't invite him to your wedding you're essentially cutting him out of your life. He sounds as though he deserves it.
    Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

    By asking for his money, you sort of invited the "how to spend it" comments.   Going forward, don't talk about it and assume you're paying for the alcohol.  HIs money = his voice.

    Inviting him?  If you ever want to have your father in your life, you should.  If you're ok with severing that relationship forever, than by all means forgo the invite.

    Bear in mind, you will have to invite his wife too...no matter how many times you call her awful,dreadful, etc.  SO go together.

    If it were me, I'd pass.  I haven't spoken to my biological father since i was in college.  He left when i was a baby and I tried to reconnect with him years later.  I realized DNA doesn't make a father, and I was totally find shutting that door forever.  My step-father is more than enough dad for me.

    Good luck to you.
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  • I can totally relate! Long story short, my dad's wife is the reason my dad and I don't have a relationship, and the reason he most likely won't be at my wedding. She was definitely not invited (I don't care what etiquette says, people don't know just what she put me through growing up) and since she's not invited, she won't allow him to go. I'm planning my wedding as if he won't be there, because I'm 99.99% sure he won't. Like you, he took her side over mine on anything, even when she became physically violent. 

    In most instances I would say you should invite him no matter what, but being that I know exactly where you are coming from, I really feel like it's up to you. It's you and your fiance's day and if the two of you don't feel comfortable inviting him or his hateful wife, then you shouldn't.  The things your father has said to you are way uncalled for, and there comes a time in life when he needs to realize you are his daughter and you have feelings and he needs to respect you. It sounds to me like he's just lashing out against you for having your mom walk you down the aisle instead of him. Sounds like your mom is exactly where she needs to be and your dad (if you invite him) can be a guest and enjoy your beautiful wedding shared with the ones you love and love you in return!
  • Kate61487Kate61487 member
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    edited May 2012
    I agree with PPs.  There's no written rule that you have to invite your father, but not inviting him will be a clear statement on your part that you want nothing to do with him.  Even if you're okay with severing all ties with him, do you have aunts/uncles/grandparents on that side of the family who will get upset about this?  Just something you want to think about before you make a very public move like not inviting him.

    FWIW - he sounds like a real asshat.  Anyone who physically or emotionally abused me or my mother would not be getting an invitation to my wedding.  But I also wouldn't visit him on Christmas, so there's that...

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  • Aragx6 to your responce "You were out of line to ask him for money for the wedding " I was not out of line. Father of the brides are supposed to foot almost the whole bill of a wedding. We are paying for our own and taking help when offered but I only asked him to help because my mother did, and my soon to be mother in law is helping out a lot and asked me if he was going to help. So I asked him to help out a little. I didnt ask him to help out a lot just something small. He is the father of the bride after all.
    Ahhitsshannyn to your reply "BUT don't base this decision on "well he gave my sister money and not me so he obviously hates me,"  because you do seem a bit bitter about that." I am not bitter about him helping my sister out everytime she needs it because I am over it. Nor am I basing my decision on that. My fiance is more making his decision based on that than I am. My bases is how he treats and talks to me.  I do know that he will say no everytime I ask him for help and I dont think he hates me bacause he doesn't help me out. This has nothing to do with thinking he hates me. But when you have your fiance and mother in law to be asking you if he will help and me always answering I know he will say no its hard to make them understand without actaully asking him and giving them his responce.
    I have not sent out invitations yet. Aragx6 to this reply "But by not inviting him, you will likely further damage your relationship with him -- perhaps forever. You have to know that and be OK with it going in. If you don't invite him to your wedding you're essentially cutting him out of your life." I say that honestly I don't think we even have a realationship. I think I am ok with not having him in my life, I mean I only see himo n major holidays anyway. Even then I hate being there and seeing them.  I told my fiance that I am done going over there on the holidays.
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  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    edited May 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:d75b4009-200e-4b5c-aae9-a4a4e2796295">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Aragx6 to your responce "You were out of line to ask him for money for the wedding " I was not out of line. <strong>Father of the brides are supposed to foot almost the whole bill of a wedding. </strong>We are paying for our own and taking help when offered but I only asked him to help because my mother did, and my soon to be mother in law is helping out a lot and asked me if he was going to help. So I asked him to help out a little. I didnt ask him to help out a lot just something small. He is the father of the bride after all. Ahhitsshannyn to your reply "BUT don't base this decision on "well he gave my sister money and not me so he obviously hates me,"  because you do seem a bit bitter about that." I am not bitter about him helping my sister out everytime she needs it because I am over it. Nor am I basing my decision on that. My fiance is more making his decision based on that than I am. My bases is how he treats and talks to me.  I do know that he will say no everytime I ask him for help and I dont think he hates me bacause he doesn't help me out. This has nothing to do with thinking he hates me. But when you have your fiance and mother in law to be asking you if he will help and me always answering I know he will say no its hard to make them understand without actaully asking him and giving them his responce. I have not sent out invitations yet. Aragx6 to this reply "But by not inviting him, you will likely further damage your relationship with him -- perhaps forever. You have to know that and be OK with it going in. If you don't invite him to your wedding you're essentially cutting him out of your life." I say that honestly I don't think we even have a realationship. I think I am ok with not having him in my life, I mean I only see himo n major holidays anyway. Even then I hate being there and seeing them.  I told my fiance that I am done going over there on the holidays.
    Posted by ael_6584[/QUOTE]

    That is absolutely, 100% untrue. <em>Many</em> of the posters here paid for their own weddings.
    Lizzie
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:d75b4009-200e-4b5c-aae9-a4a4e2796295">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Aragx6 to your responce "You were out of line to ask him for money for the wedding " I<strong> was not out of line. Father of the brides are supposed to foot almost the whole bill of a wedding. </strong>Posted by ael_6584[/QUOTE]

    No.  No, no, no, no no.  There is no doubt that your dad kind of sucks, based on what you've told us.  But him not paying for your wedding is NOT one of the reasons.  Him not paying for your school supplies when you were 12?  yes, that is a crappy parent.  But you are a grown up, and the only one responsible for paying for your party is YOU. 
  • klwpazklwpaz member
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    Based on what you described, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you chose not to invite your father. Just know that if you don't invite him, he will likely not be a part of your life in the future. I am not inviting my sister to mine, but we don't have any contact so I'm not concerned with damaging our (nonexistent) relationship. Only you know what the best choice is for you. As far as what your guests will think (which I think was part of your question?), I wouldn't worry about it. People know that families are messed up, and hopefully they will be polite enough not to question it. I know if anyone asks me about my sister's absence, I just plan to say she couldn't make it and point them toward the dance floor.
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  • I have an anunt and an uncle on his side, both grandparents are deceased. My uncle knows exactly what kind of person my father is and I am not sure where my aunt would stand but I am sure that after hearing his rude comments to me she would uderstand. She lives in SC so I don't see her much anyway to worry about a falling out. I would have a better time knowing he wasn't at the wedding or reception for fear he would do or say something stupid and I know his wife would. She was telling people that my mother didn't belong at my grandmothers funeral because my grandma wouldn't want her there, when my grandmother loved my mother. So I am 99.99% sure that I do not care if a falling out occurs between him and me and I don't plan on going over there or visiting him for any reason in the furture. I just need to hear what others would think about this decision, given that I already know how my mother and fiance feels about it.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:f9220faa-7803-4049-b8c5-eabeb8f98ce1">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding? : That is absolutely, 100% untrue. Many of the posters here paid for their own weddings.
    Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

    As I said we are and accepting money if it is offered to us. But if you ever look in a bridal book they say who is responsible for paying for what, the father of the bride is to pay for almost the whole wedding. I am not saying times have changed and people are splitting the costs or just paying for it themselves. But the fathers were to pay for it as a way of saying you are taking my daughter into your family and making her a part of yours so here is my contribution to that. Don't beleive me, look it up.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:dea56e89-43b7-4f00-a526-26f8ae8f4626">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Paragraphs? Cliff's Notes? (Sorry if this double posts - I posted and then it said "an unexpected error has occurred".)
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    There was nothing posted but a picture. Is that what you meant to post?
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  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:4b6df1c1-7166-45fe-bca4-b1b82904765b">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding? : As I said we are and accepting money if it is offered to us. But if you ever look in a bridal book they say who is responsible for paying for what, the father of the bride is to pay for almost the whole wedding. I am not saying times have changed and people are splitting the costs or just paying for it themselves. But the fathers were to pay for it as a way of saying you are taking my daughter into your family and making her a part of yours so here is my contribution to that. Don't beleive me, look it up.
    Posted by ael_6584[/QUOTE]

    There is a big difference between etiquette and tradition, and if you want good advice from the ladies here you need to understand that and listen to what's being said to you.
    Lizzie
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_should-i-invite-my-father-to-my-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bbfd62f-3061-49ed-869d-8ebed0158dd8Post:ce6e20bb-f3a6-40d7-9172-e44de9512af5">Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding? : There is a big difference between etiquette and tradition, and if you want good advice from the ladies here you need to understand that and listen to what's being said to you.
    Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

    This. Traditionally, the bride's family paid for the wedding, because taking on a wife was essentially taking on a dependent. Sort of like dowries. Everyone is agreeing that your dad sucks, and I don't think anyone would blame you for not inviting him. They were just pointing out that it isn't correct etiquette to ask anyone for money for your wedding.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should I invite my father to my wedding? : As I said we are and accepting money if it is offered to us. But if you ever look in a bridal book they say who is responsible for paying for what, the father of the bride is to pay for almost the whole wedding. I am not saying times have changed and people are splitting the costs or just paying for it themselves. But the fathers were to pay for it as a way of saying you are taking my daughter into your family and making her a part of yours so here is my contribution to that. Don't beleive me, look it up.
    Posted by ael_6584[/QUOTE]

    Well bless your heart.
  • Your dad sucks, you sound like you don't want to invite him, so don't.  You definitely should not have asked for money from him though, like pp said.  You are in the wrong, look it up.
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