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Gay Bridesmen

So...I have my sister, my fiance's sister, and my cousin (who introduced us) as bridesmaids, but when I asked my best friend from out of state, she couldn't/wouldn't do it, so I asked two gay friends to be bridesmen instead. Now, let me say that they are not boyfriend and boyfriend or anything, and they're not even like "look at me I'm gay!" or anything like that.
Enter my mother. My mom and dad are both very conservative Christians, and my grandparents are your typical older Republican/Democrats. They are conservative on most issues, but occasionally will vote Democrat basically.
So my mom decided in her last e-mail to me to tell me that my cousin told my grandma all about my bridesmen when she was down there visiting a few weekends ago and that "it makes all of us conservatives a little uncomfortable, but really makes gram and pop uncomfortable."
This is notoriously what my mom does in my life. She expresses her opinion and then expects me to change to fit it. I'm not changing on this one, it's my decision. I sent an e-mail back very courteously saying that they are not going to be wearing dresses or anything and that neither of them has boyfriends at this point and that they are not outwardly openly gay. Basically I was just trying to make it clear that I am not changing my mind and it's not like they're going to be shoving it in her face all night that they are gay.
But now I just feel really let down that my mom would say stuff like this to me. First of all, she isn't contributing to the wedding, we're paying for it ourselves with the help of my fiance's parents. Second of all, my younger brother who is 20 had a kid with his ex gf two years ago and the ex gf and the kid live with them. I love my niece, but I feel like this gives my parents no room to judge me, but it keeps happening.
I'm sorry to be a downer, but I really needed some ears on this issue, and some encouragement, I'm feeling so frustrated about this. Thank you guys so much! Feel free to post what you think about the situation. :)

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  • I think it's really unfortunate that your mom feels that way.

    Good for you for sticking to your guns.
  • I'm not sure why your attendants' sexual orientations are being discussed in the first place.  If your best friend had accepted, would you have introduced her to your mother as your "straight female Maid of Honor"?  Or would you simply have said "Sally has agreed to be my Maid of Honor!  I'm so excited!" 

    It seems to me like you should introduce your honor attendants as your honor attendants (you don't need to call them your "bridesmen" if your family already has rigid views on gender roles), and leave the fact that they're gay out of it completely.  It's nothing to be ashamed about, of course, but it really is irrelevant to the role they've been asked to perform.

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  • Why did you tell anyone that they're "Gay" Bridesmen?  They're just Bridesmen.  Their sexual orientation doesn't matter, and frankly, it's not your business to go telling everyone what it is, whether they're dating or not, or anything else.

    They're your male friends, and they're standing up for you on your side. 

    Now that the cat's out of the bag, though, you'll have to just smile and change the subject until it passes.  If it comes to a head, I'd say something like this:

    "Thanks for your concern.  I'm certain that in no way shape or form will there be any inappropriate behavior the day of from any of the wedding party, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, or couple status.  FI and I will discuss it, but please understand that our wedding party is solely our choice, and will remain as such.  Now, would you care for a slice of cake?"

    If that doesn't work, leave. 

    "This is not a topic I'm willing to continue to discuss.  I think it's time for me to leave, and if this conversation resumes in the future, I'll be forced to do so again."

    If it does happen repeatedly, I'd tell them that they're risking their relationship with you in order to pass judgement on people they don't know. 
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  • Did you tell them specifically that they were gay?  If so, why?  To draw attention to them and you?  If so, you have accomplished your goal.

    I have to question why that would come up in a conversation with your family.  Don't get me wrong, I love the gays so I am not saying you should hide it.  I would just wonder why you would say, hey, I chose Matt and Steve as bridesman and they are as gay as the day is long! 

    Tell me more.


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  • Thank you guys. My cousin was down in Oregon a few weekends ago (she is lesbian and very open about it and kind of in your face a little too much sometimes, even about general TMI things, not just her sexuality.) and decided it was her duty to let the cat out of the bag. My mom e-mailed me about the fact that I was having bridesmen and I assumed she was implying that Chas (my fiance) would be uncomfortable with it (I thought at this point that she thought they were straight and I was going against Chas's wishes or something.) so I casually mentioned Oh yeah, my two good friends from Twisted (which she knows is a gay bar I go to often.) That's when all hell broke loose. :/ Normally I would not have even brought up their sexuality, and obviously it should never have been brought up, but due to my cousin's big mouth it was, so now I'm dealing with the consequences. I thought it would not be a huge deal with my mom because it's my wedding and all, but obviously it still is.
  • I also think it is strange you even brought up their sexual orientation, especially knowing your family's conservative feelings.  Sexual orientation has nothing to do with them being in your wedding.  Nevertheless, I think you should tell your parents how hurt you are by their feelings and explain the fact that your friends are your friends despite their race, religion, sexual orientation, or gender.  PPs had some great suggestions that I think you should follow!
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  • Yeah, again, this all started because of my cousin (also my MOH along with my sister) who blabbed about it to an extreme point while visiting my family. Otherwise I would never have brought up the fact that they were gay. I would have just said I chose them for my wedding party, but she went down to Oregon and told everyone how fun it was going to be that I had two gay men in my wedding and blah blah blah so now I'm forced to sit here and discuss it with my mom. I mean, had she asked I wouldn't have lied to her, but that's beside the point.
  • Well, then, what Squirrly said.  Cat is out of the bag and now is your opportunity to stand up for your friends. 

    You didn't have to replace your friend when she said no with two gay men though.  Were they always on your list to be attendants?
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  • Yes, they were next on my list to ask. I was going to have my best friend and my other good friend do it, but if my best friend couldn't I wasn't going to ask the other one because I knew they would come up to the wedding together and ride together and stay together and such. So if Ashley couldn't do it I was always going to ask Kyle and Brent.
  • But see, I wouldn't discuss it with her.  Tell her it's your choice, and close the door on that convo.  If you discuss it, you're letting them try to influence you.  Shut that convo down asap and make it clear they have NO say.  You can't make them less conservative, but you can refuse to be part of their judgemental rudeness.
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  • Thank you! I really appreciate all the input, I just wanted to make sure that telling her no more discussion was ok. This is how my mom has been my entire life. She also did this when I moved in with my FH. She wouldn't even talk about me to any of her friends because she was "so ashamed" of me. I just really don't get it, but luckily my FH's mom is amazing and is helping me out with all my wedding planning and kind of stepping in as the supportive mom role. :)
  • I guess I don't understand why they care that, they are gay and in your WP. You said one of your BM(your cousin) is a lesbian. Do they not want her in the wedding because she goes against their beliefs? My dad's side of the family is the same way as yours and I could care less what they think. I am thinking about having one of my close friends(she's a lesbian) be ordained and marry us. I'm sure that my father will say something about her being a lesbian and if/when he does, he will be asked to leave my wedding. 

    I would say that you need to have a good talk with your mom and explain who your two bridesmen are as a person and how they are important to you. Not that they are just some gay guys you know. 
  • I'm going to echo everything Squirrly said.

    And I wouldn't even bring it up again to your mom.  That implies that you owe her some type of answer.

    If SHE brings it up again then say, "This is not a matter that is open for discussion." and change the subject.  Let her know that you're not giving her opinion a second thought.
  • Yeah, being your parent doesn't give her free license to be a twit to you or your friends.  :)  Be respectful when you tell her.  Don't yell, or stomp, or name call.  Leaving is a good tactic - it prevents you from getting snippy, and makes a SERIOUS statement about what you will and won't tolerate. 

    As long as you're adult about it, you'll have etiquette and common sense on your side.  It may take her a while to change her tune, but it's unlikely she wants to lose her daughter over the wedding party selection.
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  • My mom occasionally plays the "What would your grandmother have thought?" card so she doesn't have to openly say she doesn't quite approve of something (like when FI and I moved in together). I always counter with, "Times have changed. What she would consider "proper" is outdated. It's what I want, I don't see anything wrong with it, it's not hurting anybody, deal with it."

    Do they also have a problem with your lesbian cousin being in your bridal party? If not, I really don't see what their problem is about your two bridesmen.
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    [QUOTE]My mom occasionally plays the <strong>"What would your grandmother have thought?"</strong> card so she doesn't have to openly say she doesn't quite approve of something (like when FI and I moved in together). I always counter with, "Times have changed. What she would consider "proper" is outdated. It's what I want, I don't see anything wrong with it, it's not hurting anybody, deal with it." Do they also have a problem with your lesbian cousin being in your bridal party? If not, I really don't see what their problem is about your two bridesmen.
    Posted by linguo42[/QUOTE]

    My grandmother is alive. She preaches to me about living with BF. I tell her if she would've tried that, she might have been divorced a few less times.
    But I'm sure that can't work with every situation...lol.
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  • LOL! Yeah my uncle has mentioned stuff to me in the past about living with my FI, and he's on his fifth marriage! He's been engaged like ten times in between all of those too. :p
  • Agree with Squirrly 100%. I wouldnt even bring the convo up again. I have had some of the worst judgments passed on me by various family members. First I am a Italian girl whose Grandma come here in like 1930. And my FI is black. RED FLAG in my family. My grandmother would say why are you dating a black man. I have two kids with him RED FLAG kids before marriage means sex before marriage. Thank god just before she passed she decided to accept it. My FIL are Baptist RED FLAG not Catholic. My mom is gay. RED FLAG FIL don't believe people can be gay. My family drinks. RED FLAG FIL don't and think people who drink are hiding behind the bottle. And yet thru all this I have to plan a wedding and make sure everyone has a good time.
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  • Being in the same room with gay people makes them uncomfortable? Sucks for them. Your friends would be at the wedding no matter what, right? So...

    My dad sat behind a gay couple on his flight home and told me how they were "making out and it was kind of gross". My H said, "does he even know how many people at our wedding were gay?" One of our GMs was gay. 
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    [QUOTE]Being in the same room with gay people makes them uncomfortable? Sucks for them. Your friends would be at the wedding no matter what, right? So... My dad sat behind a gay couple on his flight home and told me how they were <strong>"making out and it was kind of gross".</strong> My H said, "does he even know how many people at our wedding were gay?" One of our GMs was gay. 
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    I hate when people say that.  Unless you think all overly PDAs are unacceptable regardless of sexuality, then I kind of want to kick you in the junk.  That's up there for me with the dudes that go with the "OMG gay guys being gay are so gross.  But les-on-les action is HOT."  STFU.

    PS - that wasn't a dig at your pops since I don't know him from Adam.  Just a general observation.
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