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Re: yikes! measles in Boston!

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    mica178mica178 member
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    Right now, I am so happy not to be the CW mod.  I am very pro-vaccine, both for the health and safety of those I love, but also for public health reasons.  Some people cannot/do not get vaccinated because of allergies or because their bodies do not build antibodies despite vaccination -- their health depends on the rest of us to do the right thing. A certain poster who is anti-vaccine should move out of urban areas if she plans on pursuing that kind of insanity so she doesn't infect a whole Red Line's worth of unsuspecting people.
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    mica178mica178 member
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    It worked for me.  Gosh, I hope the unvaccinated in Boston haven't been exposed to those 5 people.
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    I thought that might be of interest here as it was discussed earlier

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    glad I was vaccinated as a kid :)
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:bf71fdce-a61e-43e7-94f8-2204b81fba89">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]glad I was vaccinated as a kid :)
    Posted by HockeyFan4[/QUOTE]

    me too!
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    There was exposure in Vancouver, WA a couple months ago too.  Anyone who could possibly have been exposed needs to get a booster vaccine ASAP.  

    Mica, people who choose not to vaccinate their kids honestly make me very angry.  You are putting your children at risk, not to mention everyone else that you come in contact with after becoming exposed.  I don't believe that vaccines have any relation to autism.  
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    Don't get me started. Why people would rather believe pseudoscience than take advantage of the medical advance most likely to increase their life expectancy is a mystery to me.

    But I'm biased. 
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    My younger sister had an allergic reaction to her MMR series as a baby.  She stopped breathing and had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance.  I still remember seeing her lying in crib turning blue.  As a result my mom refused to allow her to have the follow up when before she went to kindergarten.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:5d94e908-2a14-4069-91c9-1e3d924480fe">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]My younger sister had an allergic reaction to her MMR series as a baby.  She stopped breathing and had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance.  I still remember seeing her lying in crib turning blue.  As a result my mom refused to allow her to have the follow up when before she went to kindergarten.
    Posted by strlzfan11[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>It is definitely reasonable for someone who had an allergic reaction to not have a follow-up. The 'herd immunity' produced by non-allergic people getting the vaccine is what is supposed to protect people like your sister. </div>
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    Andplusalso, measles is HIGHLY contagious. It can be spread by air, not even droplets are needed, unlike with many diseases.

    Granted, it isn't like it's an automatic death sentence, but if someone's immune system is compromised to the point they can't get vaxxed, it means they're likely going to be in bad shape if they get measles.
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    mica178mica178 member
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    I believe it was recently brought to light that the main person behind the vaccines and autism link was committing and publishing fraudulent research.  There's no link.  If anything, we're better at diagnosing autism, so that's the reason for the jump in diagnoses, not vaccines.
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    Exactly Mica, that's what I've always believed too.  Same with ADHD, and many other diseases that are more prevalent now.  I don't think there is any reason, other than it is more easily recognizable now.
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    I think it's possible that Autism and ADHD are truly increasing in prevalence, but if it was in any way caused by vaccines they definitely would have proven it by now. The amount of research funding that has gone to trying to prove that there is a link, rather than actually curing or treating those diseases, is staggering. 
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    We vax Baby Bee - no way could I imagine not doing so.

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    I have never really been on board with the whole thing that vaccines cause autism either. But I did have a Mom of a kid in my class that swears the vaccines gave both of her kids autism b/c they were typically developing prior to the vaccines.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:b5dfd95a-7385-4314-892c-01bfda828dc2">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong>I think it's possible that Autism and ADHD are truly increasing in prevalence,</strong> but if it was in any way caused by vaccines they definitely would have proven it by now. The amount of research funding that has gone to trying  to prove that there is a link, rather than actually curing or treating those diseases, is staggering. 
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    And not to get all crunchy on you ladies, but we don't think it could be due to an increase in pollution, pesticides, preservatives (I'm really on a roll with the p's here). But seriously, either a better understanding of the diagnosis and/or zillions of outside influences could be the cause. My hypotheticals are getting vaccinated. 
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    I'm the farthest thing from a doctor but from the research and personal conversations I've had with families of autistic children, vaccines do not cause autism.  One of the main reasons people pointed their finger at vaccines is because of the timing--their child began maturing at a healthy rate, had their shots then quickly began showing signs of autism.  All children who are autistic develop the traits around 2 yo, they aren't necessarily BORN showing signs.  

    I strongly believe autism is caused by severe stress the mother goes through while pregnant with the child.  For example deaths of loved ones; genuine stress.  The mother of the 5 yo I nannied for (who is severely autistic) leans toward that reasoning.  IMO it would also explain the rise in numbers of autistic children today compared to 10 years ago as many women today hold extremely stressful positions--lawyers, CEOs, doctors--all the way through their pregnancy.  

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    This no vaccination trend scares me. It is so dangerous and so contagious.
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    Not to bring up a sore subject but this is a prime example of why we should have basic healthcare on a socialized basis in this country for all - legal and illegal.  I am not talking about luxury items but the basics, for public health if for no other reason.

    We all get into elevators and stand in lines in close proximity with people we know nothing about.  One sneeze in your direction can expose you to preventable diseases up to and including drug-resistant TB that will be with you and. possibly your family whom you subsequently infect, for life.  Maine, where I used to live for 3 years, is currently struggling with a major outbreak within the summer agricultural migrant population.

    Personally I believe that my taxes are well used to prevent such unnecessary damage.  Others may disagree but I would sleep easier knowing that anyone who wanted to vaccinate their children could.  But PLEASE do not get me started on those who can afford it and do not out of "just enough information to make them dangerous!"
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:cc399fef-bc49-4133-89a1-0d301ae37d5e">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Not to bring up a sore subject but this is a prime example of why we should have basic healthcare on a socialized basis in this country for all - legal and illegal.  I am not talking about luxury items but the basics, for public health if for no other reason. We all get into elevators and stand in lines in close proximity with people we know nothing about.  One sneeze in your direction can expose you to preventable diseases up to and including drug-resistant TB that will be with you and. possibly your family whom you subsequently infect, for life.  Maine, where I used to live for 3 years, is currently struggling with a major outbreak within the summer agricultural migrant population. Personally I believe that my taxes are well used to prevent such unnecessary damage.  Others may disagree but I would sleep easier knowing that anyone who wanted to vaccinate their children could.  But PLEASE do not get me started on those who can afford it and do not out of "just enough information to make them dangerous!"
    Posted by manychihuahuas[/QUOTE]

    All children who are uninsured can get vaccinated through VFC (provided by the CDC). It probably costs a parent more to go to the doctor and have them write a letter to the school district stating that the kid DOESN'T need to be vaccinated before going to school than it does to get the kid vaccinated.
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    The problem is the parents who won't vaccinate their children, because they believe they are dangerous.
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    Ditto Happiness.  Children CAN get vaccinated.

    This sort of thing makes me an IRATE parent.  If you don't want to vaccinate your kids then fine.  Bust please don't bring them into public where they can infect MY child who is too young to get the MMR vaccine.

    Studies have shown that there are outbreaks of preventable diseases in the areas with the highest "vaccine refusal" by parents.  There have been pertussis outbreaks in California because parents decided NOT to give their child the vaccine.

    I'll admit that I space my child's vaccine's simply because I don't want her to get a ton at once.  So tomorrow Chiquita gets the other two 4 month shots.   I wouldn't get 4 shots myself at once so I certainly don't want to do that to my child.   However she WILL be vaccinated.

    What I really can't stand are the parents who go on and on about how this is THEIR choice as if their unvaccinated child affects no one.

    Now I"m going to bed angry. 

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:8e67da83-7bf2-4027-9b04-de1bbce2f0f0">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Ditto Happiness.  Children CAN get vaccinated. This sort of thing makes me an IRATE parent.  If you don't want to vaccinate your kids then fine.  Bust please don't bring them into public where they can infect MY child who is too young to get the MMR vaccine. Studies have shown that there are outbreaks of preventable diseases in the areas with the highest "vaccine refusal" by parents.  There have been pertussis outbreaks in California because parents decided NOT to give their child the vaccine. I'll admit that I space my child's vaccine's simply because I don't want her to get a ton at once.  So tomorrow Chiquita gets the other two 4 month shots.   I wouldn't get 4 shots myself at once so I certainly don't want to do that to my child.   However she WILL be vaccinated. What I really can't stand are the parents who go on and on about how this is THEIR choice as if their unvaccinated child affects no one. Now I"m going to bed angry. 
    Posted by banana468[/QUOTE]

    Ditto ALL of this. I'm not even a parent yet, but I dread having to send my future children to school with all these unvaccinated children (because let's be honest-- by the time our kids are old enough to go to school, this is going to be an even bigger problem because all the babies not getting vaccinated now will be too). I think it's totally fair (and probably just nicer) to space out the vaccinations, but if your kid is going to school with other kids, they need to have the darn shots.

    EDIT: I do understand that if my kid has the vaccines, it will matter less obviously, but sh*t does happen  and germs do travel from person to person.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:619ed426-12a5-480f-9df8-252d09bacd20">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: yikes! measles in Boston! : Ditto ALL of this. I'm not even a parent yet, but I dread having to send my future children to school with all these unvaccinated children (because let's be honest-- by the time our kids are old enough to go to school, this is going to be an even bigger problem because all the babies not getting vaccinated now will be too). I think it's totally fair (and probably just nicer) to space out the vaccinations, but if your kid is going to school with other kids, they need to have the darn shots.
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    Luckily it's required by Chiquita's daycare provider that she be vaccinated.  Technically they're being flexible by working with me spacing although she still gets them done in the correct time.

    It's the "don't question me as a parent" crap that annoys me to no end.  Your decisions DO affect more than just your child.  It's a really selfish viewpoint that I find infuriating.   

    This sort of stuff got me riled up before I was pregnant but it really does a number on me now that I see DD.  I swear I never thought I could love someone so much.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: yikes! measles in Boston! : Luckily it's required by Chiquita's daycare provider that she be vaccinated.  Technically they're being flexible by working with me spacing although she still gets them done in the correct time. It's the "don't question me as a parent" crap that annoys me to no end.  Your decisions DO affect more than just your child.  It's a really selfish viewpoint that I find infuriating.    This sort of stuff got me riled up before I was pregnant but it really does a number on me now that I see DD.  I swear I never thought I could love someone so much.
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    That's good. I think it should be required by everyone, but the people who don't want to do it are the ones who will find ways around it no matter what-- like the parents who get notes from the doctor and go to court and stuff. Hopefully private daycare would be different than public school, but I still think the fact that  it's even an option if you want your child to be around other kids is kind of absurd.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_mica-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:c81fa0bb-d796-498a-88a0-5ed728974e98Post:adad5317-839a-47dd-9f81-5a8336b872e3">Re: yikes! measles in Boston!</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: yikes! measles in Boston! : All children who are uninsured can get vaccinated through VFC (provided by the CDC). It probably costs a parent more to go to the doctor and have them write a letter to the school district stating that the kid DOESN'T need to be vaccinated before going to school than it does to get the kid vaccinated.
    Posted by HappinessByTheKilowatt[/QUOTE]


    Agree completely.  However, many from the illegal population do not sendtheir children to school and so are not faced with this issue.  Also, they are afraid to go to clinics or other vaccination sites because of potential questions as to their status.  This is one of the things that concerns me greatly and the public health issue is often overlooked in the "we aren't going to pay for those people!!" debate to our mutual peril.
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    emilyinchileemilyinchile member
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    This is really interesting - just yesterday on the news it said that there had been several cases here in Chile too. I wonder if there's a link (air travel or something else).
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