Having guests help pay for the honeymoon?

LauraJeanK

Would it be acceptable (and how would you word it/ask it) to ask for money towards the honeymoon, instead of gifts for the house? We already have a home together that we've been working on and fixing up for the past couple of years. We pretty much have everything we need home-wise. We don't, however, have a lot of money to spend on a honeymoon. What are your opinions?

Belle0720

You can skip registering anywhere and if people ask what you want for wedding gifts you can tell them that you are trying to save for your Honeymoon.

LauraJeanK

okay, so it wouldn't be weird to ask that? I'm just afraid of someone being offended or something, I don't want to do that, haha.

LauraJeanK

Well, I'd really like to go on a honeymoon now... Kinda because he has been married once before, and he went on an amazing honeymoon. Not exactly fair that I don't get to go on a real honeymoon. Our wedding isn't until next year, so we planned on saving for it, anyway, but he thought maybe we could say we want a honeymoon instead of things. Because there really are no "things" we need that we could even register for.

zitiqueen

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[QUOTE]Well, I'd really like to go on a honeymoon now... Kinda because he has been married once before, and he went on an amazing honeymoon. Not exactly fair that I don't get to go on a real honeymoon. Our wedding isn't until next year, so we planned on saving for it, anyway, but he thought maybe we could say we want a honeymoon instead of things. Because there really are no "things" we need that we could even register for.
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

Just because he's been married before doesn't mean you deserve a honeymoon. And what, pray tell, defines a "real" honeymoon? Are you saying a weekend getaway is a "fake" honeymoon?

You want a honeymoon? Save up for it and pay for it yourselves like adults. You're not owed anything by anybody, especially your guests. It's not their responsibility to send you on a trip.

zitiqueen

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[QUOTE]Would it be acceptable (and how would you word it/ask it) to ask for money towards the honeymoon, instead of gifts for the house? We already have a home together that we've been working on and fixing up for the past couple of years. We pretty much have everything we need home-wise. We don't, however, have a lot of money to spend on a honeymoon. What are your opinions?
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah.

Belle0720

I'll add to what I said before that while I think going around soliciting money for your honeymoon would be rude, if someone asks where you're registered/what you'd like for a gift you can certainly respond that you are settled into your house and don't need anything so you haven't registered anywhere. I think people will generally get the hint that you would like monetary gifts. You should still save and plan for the honeymoon you can afford, but there's nothing wrong with using monetary gifts as spending money on your honeymoon.  

daria24

If someone asks you what you would like, it's OK to reply "we have everything we need for the house, but we're saving up for our honeymoon." You never volunteer that info, only give it when asked.

As a side note, while many people send physical gifts in the weeks leading up to the wedding, usually those giving monetary gifts bring a card to the wedding. Most likely you will not have any cash in hand to pay for this HM until the week of your wedding. Therefore it's best to save up yourself and plan the honeymoon you can afford. You can always use any cash gifts to upgrade for more activities, nicer meals, etc should you receive those gifts. 

Many of the girls on my month board did not take their HM until a few months later, or even a year later so that they could save up. My parents spent a night in a hotel in Harrisburg. They took their dream trip for their 25th annivery-a month in CA & Hawaii. 

jsquared62009

We had a pretty small registry since there wasn't too much we needed. As a result we got mostly money for the wedding. I never had to ask for it and I also never had people ask. I'd say just make a small registry and then don't sweat it.

LauraJeanK

Well thanks everyone, except for "ziti queen" sounds like you need to grow up, not me. Him and I have paid for everything that we own, our house, our cars, everything for our baby.... So I'd like it if you didn't say we need to grow up. I was just thinking that since I'm spending so much on my wedding, I could use some help for the honey moon. And yes a "real" honey moon, as in the one I've imagined since I was a girl. Are we not supposed to have that for our wedding? Why can't I have the same for my honeymoon? We both work very hard, so it was pretty rude of you to say what you said! Telling me I'd be rude asking for money, well you don't exactly know your manners that well...

JoanE2012

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[QUOTE]Would it be acceptable (and how would you word it/ask it) to ask for money towards the honeymoon, instead of gifts for the house? We already have a home together that we've been working on and fixing up for the past couple of years. We pretty much have everything we need home-wise. We don't, however, have a lot of money to spend on a honeymoon. What are your opinions?
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

<div>OP - It's rude to ask for money.  Have a small registry.  You could always use upgrades, right?   New towels, sheets, baking pans, etc.  People know cash is king.</div><div>
</div><div>On a side note, many couples work very hard to pay for their wedding and their honeymoon.  Sometimes, it doesn't work out as one dreamed.  That doesn't make it any less special.</div>

Summer2011Bride

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[QUOTE]Well thanks everyone, except for "ziti queen" sounds like you need to grow up, not me. Him and I have paid for everything that we own, our house, our cars, everything for our baby.... So I'd like it if you didn't say we need to grow up. I was just thinking that since I'm spending so much on my wedding, I could use some help for the honey moon. And yes a "real" honey moon, as in the one I've imagined since I was a girl. Are we not supposed to have that for our wedding? Why can't I have the same for my honeymoon? We both work very hard, so it was pretty rude of you to say what you said! Telling me I'd be rude asking for money, well you don't exactly know your manners that well...
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

Saying you deserve a "real" HM isn't acting like an adult. No one deserves a vacation. It is not a right, like we have a right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. It is something you can EARN by working for money to pay for it if you so choose. Since you have your own house and cars you probably understand that, so why should that not apply to a vacation? That is even less of a necessity than a house or a car.

Let me tell you I've imagined many trips since I was little,, like to Italy and French Polynesia and Africa. We haven't saved up enough to take those trips yet, so I wait. I don't complain about it or think I deserve it, that it's not fair I can't take those trips, or ask my friends and family to pitch in for it. There are many people who marry who don't take a HM at all because of work restrictions or not having the money. Trust me, their weddings are just as valid. You are not owed anything. If you want an awesome trip, save up for it. It's as simple as that.

BTW, spending a lot on your wedding was a CHOICE. You made that a priority. Because of that, you may not have enough for the HM you envisioned. Again that was a CHOICE. You could have chosen to elope or have a really small wedding, which in turn would have given you more money for a vacation. We all make choices and those choices have consequences. The adult thing to do is own up to those consequences instead of complaining about them and asking other people for money.

vsgal

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[QUOTE]Well thanks everyone, except for "ziti queen" sounds like you need to grow up, not me. Him and I have paid for everything that we own, our house, our cars, everything for our baby.... So I'd like it if you didn't say we need to grow up. I was just thinking that since I'm spending so much on my wedding, I could use some help for the honey moon. And yes a "real" honey moon, as in the one I've imagined since I was a girl. Are we not supposed to have that for our wedding? Why can't I have the same for my honeymoon? We both work very hard, so it was pretty rude of you to say what you said! Telling me I'd be rude asking for money, well you don't exactly know your manners that well...
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]
 
Here's the thing--you are not "owed" anything concerning a wedding.  Not the big party, not the fancy honeymoon.  You only get what you can afford.  If you have imagined this glorious trip since you were a little girl, the onus is on you to make it happen.  Why have you not been saving for it for years?  Why is it up to someone else to fund your vacation? 

Being an adult means that you have consequences for your actions and you are responsible for you--not your parents, not your friends. not you husband.  If you cannot take care of your needs, you need to reassess your situation.

Asking for other people to give you money is rude.

zitiqueen

So when somebody doesn't validate your terrible idea of asking other people to pay for your honeymoon, you consider that rude? And I never told you to grow up. I said pay for your own honeymoon like an adult. Not the same thing at all, pumpkin.

Based on your other posts, maybe you should head over to Wedding Bee. They love beebees who think they can use their wedding as an excuse to treat people like crap.

QueerFemme

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[QUOTE]Well, I'd really like to go on a honeymoon now... Kinda because he has been married once before, and he went on an amazing honeymoon. <strong>Not exactly fair</strong> that I don't get to go on a real honeymoon. Our wedding isn't until next year, so we planned on saving for it, anyway, but he thought maybe we could say we want a honeymoon instead of things. Because there really are no "things" we need that we could even register for.
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

The "not exactly fair" thing makes you sound juvenile.  No one deserves a big wedding, or a big fancy honeymoon.  If you can afford it, great, if not, then so be it.  We took our honeymoon 4 months after the wedding, because that's when we could afford it.    And, you shouldn't be trying to one-up his first honeymoon.  That is even more juvenile.

libby2483

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[QUOTE]Well, I'd really like to go on a honeymoon now... Kinda because he has been married once before, and he went on an amazing honeymoon. <strong>Not exactly fair that I don't get to go on a real honeymoon.</strong> Our wedding isn't until next year, so we planned on saving for it, anyway, but he thought maybe we could say we want a honeymoon instead of things. Because there really are no "things" we need that we could even register for.
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

<div>This attitude really aggravates me.  You don't deserve a honeymoon; you aren't entitled to one.  It isn't a right that you have as someone who is getting married. It isn't about what is "fair" or "unfair".  It is about being an adult and making responsible choices based on what you can afford.</div>

LauraJeanK

Okay woahh here, I never said I was OWED anything... but if people are willing to buy me THINGS, why not help me go on a vacation with my husband? We have a newborn baby right now, and our wedding is in about a year, I think I can say that we deserve a nice time away. We work very hard. I don't think there's a huge difference in someone buying you a waffle maker, or giving you $20 towards a honeymoon. I asked for opinions, I do NOT want to be ridiculed and told how awful I am for wanting a honeymoon! Jeez people, really?

QueerFemme

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[QUOTE]Okay woahh here, I never said I was OWED anything... but if people are willing to buy me THINGS, why not help me go on a vacation with my husband? We have a newborn baby right now, and our wedding is in about a year, I think I can say that we deserve a nice time away. We work very hard. I don't think there's a huge difference in someone buying you a waffle maker, or giving you $20 towards a honeymoon. I asked for opinions, I do NOT want to be ridiculed and told how awful I am for wanting a honeymoon! Jeez people, really?
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

No one is ridiculuing you for wanting a honeymoon.  They are pointing out that you are being ridiculous in your attitude and delivery.   Saying you deserve a fancy one, because his first bride got one?  You don't see how crazytrain that sounds?

Honeymoons are great.  Big fancy vacations are awesome.  When you can afford it, it's even better.   Right now, it sounds like you can't afford it.  That doesn't mean you don't work hard.  It means, it's not in the budget.  

Asking for cash is rude. It's totally against all proper forms of all etiquette.  there is no wiggle room here.  Don't have a registry. Or have a very small one. People will get the hint and probably give you cash anyway.  But, don't ask for it. It's tacky and offensive.

LauraJeanK

And I never said that I wouldn't be paying for it... Just that money towards it would be helpful, since I'm doing most of the wedding myself. You people really need to relax. and it wasn't even my idea, it was my fiance's! I was posting it on here to see what people thought-- the first thing I said to him was that people don't usually ask for money. He said that at his first wedding a LOT of people just gave money. So I was telling him I wasn't sure if you can say you want that, or if we should just do a small registry. That's why I came here-- for advice, not critique! So please, if you're going to be so rude to me, I'd rather you just not answer my question at all. Why is everyone on here so angry? 

LauraJeanK

See that's the only advice I needed-- small registry, people will get the hint. I was NOT saying I need one "now now now", I was just saying I do not want to have a small one now and a big one years from now, I'd rather save up myself and do it. Even if it means pushing the wedding back a little. I just think you are all extremely angry for "happily married" women... I mean, really? I was asking for help, you people were awful! 

QueerFemme

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[QUOTE]And I never said that I wouldn't be paying for it... Just that money towards it would be helpful, since I'm doing most of the wedding myself. You people really need to relax. and it wasn't even my idea, it was my fiance's! I was posting it on here to see what people thought-- the first thing I said to him was that people don't usually ask for money. He said that at his first wedding a LOT of people just gave money. So I was telling him I wasn't sure if you can say you want that, or if we should just do a small registry. That's why I came here-- for advice, not critique! So please, if you're going to be so rude to me, I'd rather you just not answer my question at all. <strong>Why is everyone on here so angry?</strong> 
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

No one is angry.  But,  you keep trying to argue your point (it's just the same as a waffle maker!?), when plenty of people have already told you it's rude, tacky and against etiquette.  No one is going to co-sign your bad ideas here.  

And, seriously, read back to your post about how you deserve one, because his first bride got one.   We can only go off of what you post. We don't know you.  But, if you read back through your posts, you can't see that you look like you are throwing a little kid temper tantrum with that attitude? I'm honestly not sure how you can't see it, or how you are surprised by the responses you are getting.

But either way, tell your fiance that it's rude, tacky and against etiquette to ask for cash.  And that people will probably give you money anyway.  Although, maybe less, since he got so much for his first wedding.

s-aries8990

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[QUOTE]Okay woahh here, I never said I was OWED anything... but if people are willing to buy me THINGS, why not help me go on a vacation with my husband? We have a newborn baby right now, and our wedding is in about a year, I<strong> think I can say that we deserve a nice time away</strong>. <strong>We work very hard.</strong> I don't think there's a huge difference in someone buying you a waffle maker, or giving you $20 towards a honeymoon. I asked for opinions, I do NOT want to be ridiculed and told how awful I am for <strong>wanting a honeymoon! Jeez people, really?</strong>
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

I work very hard and I deserve to get another degree, but I'm not asking people to chip in to pay for my education. I deserve a tropical vacation. I deserve to not have to be struggling under student loan debts. I deserve to buy an iced coffee every day. I work very hard.

By touting how "hard" you work and what you "deserve" you come across as entitled, and yes, like you are OWED. No one owes you nothin'. He went on an exotic HM with his first wife. Big whoop.

You can want a honeymoon, but you cannot expect people to help you pay. You should never expect free money from anyone ever. Plan for the honeymoon <u><strong>you can afford</strong></u> right after, or plan it for your 1yr anniversary so you can save up more money. In all honesty, there's a good chance you won't have time to make it to the bank after the wedding before the honeymoon you deserve because it's "fair"

Maggie0829

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Having guests help pay for the honeymoon? : I work very hard and I deserve to get another degree, but I'm not asking people to chip in to pay for my education. I deserve a tropical vacation. I deserve to not have to be struggling under student loan debts. I deserve to buy an iced coffee every day. I work very hard. By touting how "hard" you work and what you "deserve" you come across as entitled, and yes, like you are OWED. No one owes you nothin'. He went on an exotic HM with his first wife. Big whoop. You can want a honeymoon, but you cannot expect people to help you pay. You should never expect free money from anyone ever. Plan for the honeymoon you can afford right after, or plan it for your 1yr anniversary so you can save up more money. In all honesty, there's a good chance you won't have time to make it to the bank after the wedding before the honeymoon you deserve because it's "fair"
Posted by sydaries[/QUOTE]

This was very well said.

OP, we wanted a big luxurious honeymoon too so we started to plan a 2 week vacation to Maui.  Guess what?  We bought a house a year before our wedding so needless to say Maui was out.  We compromised on what we wanted and downsized to a week in Key West.  We certainly didn't think that even though we worked hard and bought a house all on our own that we deserved to have the Maui HM given to us buy our friends and family.  We planned a trip that we could afford and guess what, we had a blast.

A HM is just a vacation, nothing more, nothing less.  Plan for something that you can afford now.  You can still have an amazing HM even if it isn't in your dream location.  And you know what?  Since you have never been to your dream location you really won't know what you will be missing.  Was it sad that we weren't able to go to Maui?  Sure, but since we had never been we had no clue whether it would have been spectacular or not, but what we do know is that we loved every minute of our HM and that is all that matters.

zitiqueen

How old are you and your FI? Because in that picture you both look about 16.

jemmini6

I think you are confusing "want" with "deserve".  Of course it's reasonable to want a nice HM, but in no way does that mean you deserve one, and it especially does NOT mean that you deserve one that others foot the bill for. 

You want a nice HM because your H had one with his first wife and you'd like the same.  Also, you work hard, so you want a nice vacation.  (Again, neither of these mean you deserve to have one).  Also, you don't need items for your home, so instead of creating a traditional registry, you'd like to request that people give you money to assist with your HM.  Correct so far?

So here's what you do:  don't do a traditional registry, then if people ask where you are registered, you say "we don't need anything for our home, but we are saving for a HM".  People will get the hint that you want cash.  

However, two points to keep in mind with this:  1.  Some people do not like giving cash at all.  So if you don't have a registry, that leaves them up to their own devices to give you a gift, which might be something you don't want or need.  Your best bet is to create a very small registry of a few items you might still need for your house. (this also means you should not have a bridal shower.  The point of showers are physical gifts, not cash, and if you have no registry at all, or a very small one, it's inappropriate to accept a bridal shower) 2.  If people do give cash, this will likely be AT the wedding, not before.  So this means even if you do receive enough to help with a HM, you won't know until AFTER the wedding, which means your HM will be delayed because you can't book anything until you know you have the cash to cover it.

alithebride

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[QUOTE]Well, I'd really like to go on a honeymoon now... Kinda because he has been married once before, and he went on an amazing honeymoon. Not exactly fair that I don't get to go on a real honeymoon. Our wedding isn't until next year, so we planned on saving for it, anyway, but he thought maybe we could say we want a honeymoon instead of things. Because there really are no "things" we need that we could even register for.
Posted by LauraJeanK[/QUOTE]

LOL you sound about 15 years old talking abotu what's fair and what isn't.

you book what you can afford on your budget or you wait to see what yuo get as far as cash gifts for the wedding and then take one later. in my area everyone gives checks as gifts at the weddign but, sicne you dont know how much you'll get, you still need to book what you can afford without it.

and just because he got something with his first marriage  (he looks all of 22 in that pic too) does not mean you get anything.

AllieBear725

A sense of entitlement will get you nowhere. 

Make a small registry, save for your honeymoon, and take one later after the wedding.

Plain and simple. 

Kristin789

Your guests WILL think this is rude, because what you are suggesting does not match what a wedding gift is supposed to be - see below.

Wedding gifts are supposed to be wonderful and heartfelt and long-lasting, mirroring the giver's fervent hope that the couple's marriage be wonderful and heartfelt and long-lasting.

By inviting these people to your wedding, you've asked your friends and family to be witnesses to your wedding ceremony, and as witnesses, those people are mentors for your marriage. Their gifts represent their acceptance of your request for their mentorship, and their gifts represent their presence in your lives and hearts forever.

When you see/use these gifts, you are reminded that you have a circle of people around you as a couple, people who you can call on, people who have pledged their support of you two as a couple.

The following ideas do not match with what a wedding gift is supposed to represent, and in fact, just demand that people give you money instead of a wedding gift:  a downpayment registry, a honeymoon registry, a “donation” to your fav charity, a money dance, a money tree, a greenback wedding or shower (where the guests bring cash), a plastic wedding or shower (where the guests bring gift cards), or an outright request for cash.

futuremrsmanns2014

If your working with a travel agent see if they offer a honeymoon registry

LauraJeanK

First of all we are absolutely not 16 and the fact that you would assume something like that because we look a certain way is pretty rude if you'd ask me. Anyway, thank you everyone for the advice (and not the snarky attitudes), I told my fiance to begin with that we probably couldn't just ask for money, he insisted he thought it was a good idea so I thought I'd see what theknot boards were like. Thank you all for showing me what they are like, I'm done here now.

zitiqueen

Buh-bye, beebee. Have fun wrecking your relationships by following the advice given at the Wedding Bee.