Dad's sort-of-fiance wants her parents invited - who I DON'T know.

HisGirlFriday13

KittyKaty20 said:

OP: I would either invite the 2 extra guests, or decline the money. I agree with the other posters about clueing the Bartender in on those guests who have a tendency to over-imbibe.

At the risk of taking some MAJOR fire now, I, too, have a series of lists I've created to organize my over-all guest list. Nobody but my fiancé, my parents (who are paying for the wedding), and myself will ever see this list. We are not sending Save the Dates to everyone-essentially only family and our very close friends. Our guest list has to be 200 or fewer heads; we are currently at 186.

I will be sending the Save the Dates out before November, as I don't want to compete with holiday greeting cards. Additionally, on my side of the list, there are 3 of us engaged cousins, all planning 2014 weddings, so I'm hoping to give our relatives out-of-state ample time to plan.

In any event, I sincerely hope I've typed everything correctly.

There is nothing wrong with this, as long as (a) everyone who gets a STDate gets an invite; (b) all social units are invited together; and (c) you mail out all your invites at the same time.

B-listing is rude when you send out invites, get declines, then send out more invites. It's not rude to (secretly) list people according to 'definitely want' to invite and 'maybe not sure' want to invite.

We did that. We made lists of our absolute must-invites, then lists of our would-likes. We added up the number and figured out how many that was and what that meant for our budget and what kind of venue we would need. Then we worked from there.

phira

@kittykaty20

Yeah, we have two separate lists, since we're not sending save-the-dates to everyone. When it's closer to the wedding, we'll decide who we're inviting from the list of people we didn't send save-the-dates to; it'll depend a lot on how many significant others we're having to pay for, honestly.

B-listing is specifically when you send out more invitations because you've had declines. Generally, people who do this are coming from a good place. "We'd love to invite everyone on this list, but we can't because of space/budget constraints. So we should try to invite as many as possible! If anyone declines, we'll have someone else we can invite instead to fill that spot."

But the problem is that the people you're inviting on the second (or third) round will very, very likely figure out or find out that they weren't on the initial list. It's like when I was 8 and called up a friend saying, "Hey, do you want to come over? You're the fifth person I've called but everyone else is busy."

(Yes, I actually did that. In my defense, I was 8, and my mom talked to me about how rude it was immediately after it happened.)

APDSS22

cidefi said:

OK LET ME MAKE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR. I MADE 3 LIST... LIST A IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ME AND MY FH KNOW WILL COME WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. LIST B IS THOSE PEOPLE WE ARE NOT SURE ABOUT BECAUSE THEY EITHER LIVE IN OTHER COUNTIES OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WHATEVER THEIR REASON MY BE. LIST C IS A LIST OF PEOPLE (family members) THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT AT THE WEDDING FOR WHATEVER REASONS. MY invitations are going to mailed out early, so that our guest can make appropite travel plans for themselves and their children being that school will still in session and because we have a lot of military family members. No I'm not mailing out 3 different lists. I'm using 3 different list to organize the OVERALL guestlist. PLEASE STOP TWISTING THIS UP!!!

cidefi said:

Wow really PDKH!! U people r calling me rude. But ur the 1's posting pictures and insulting me...wow this is laughable. Its great to see people get attacked for disagreeing with majority. I am not disrespecting my guest by making lists in order to organize myself and keep track of things. I don't feel like it would disrespectful to decline money that was being given with stipulations. Hell if I were in the bride's shoes I would have offened by the SM's demands, but again that's just me and I don't know the entire situation. This is really stupid and childish to me, and I won't be responding to any more of ur comments. To the orginal poster, I really do hope that ur situation works out, and that ur wedding day turns out to eveything u hoped and planned for. U all have a great night and be blessed

You are not being attacked here.  The "wedding ninja" came from your own post, she just supplied a picture of a "wedding ninja."  Because it's funny.  The only person attacking anyone is you @cidefi because (see quoted post above) all caps is considered yelling on an internet forum.  So you're the only one yelling at people and ATTACKING them.  The other posters just wanted to point out that your posts are against etiquette and this is an Etiquette Forum.  As in, a place where posters ask for advice about what to do in their situation that follows commonly accepted etiquette.

The definition for etiquette here being that you should be a proper host/hostess for your guests and see to their comfort and needs.  Example: If a bride does not provide enough chairs for her guests to all sit down during the ceremony, she is being rude to them because that causes them discomfort.  A proper hostess would have enough chairs for all of her guests to sit down.  If you do not care about the comfort of your guests, it might be wise to stop posting on an Etiquette board, where you will be refuted for your inconsiderate advice every time because the regular posters here spend a lot of time trying to help the newer posters learn proper etiquette and try to guide them to the correct hosting solution.

While you state that you are not trying to advise the posters, they ask a question and we all try to give them the most correct way to host their guests given their situation.  If you are posting what you would do in that situation, you are advising them that this is an acceptable solution to their problem and since you posted on an Etiquette board, you are also insinuating that your post exemplifies proper etiquette and will not offend the poster's guests.  Since none of us know each of the guests the poster plans to invite, what we do here is help the poster find a solution that will offend the smallest amount of people possible.  None of their guests, if we can manage it.  Most people are not offended by a gracious host/hostess who tries to see to the comfort of all of their guests.  Some people are indeed offended by cash bars, dollar dances, B-listing, fake ceremonies and everything of that ilk.

I personally do not mind text speak (which is the shortening of words like "you" and "are" to their phonetic letters "u" and "r") in small amounts although it does make your posts harder to read.

allispain

Ugh. I'm getting so tired of the threadjacking.

cidefi

cidefi said:

Uumm excuse u BLUE, but I'm typing in shorthand which is very common. Please release the stick from UR ass on my typing skills.

It's considered rude by this forum (and many others).  This isn't a forum for texting tweens.


Well then i guess I will be rude then.

cidefi

aurianna said:

Cidefi, generally the term "B-list" here carries the connotation that you're sending out a second wave of invites after the first set starts returning "no's".
If you in fact just mean you made mental lists before creating the final list and are only sending out one set of invites, then I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Though, I wouldn't send your invites out much more than 2 months in advance. People tend to lose them. If you didn't send out save the dates, you can spread the date by word of mouth to the people you think will need extra time.

TY maybe I should have explained better. And yes we're only going 2 months out.

cidefi

moemacWed30594 said:

Wow, I am shocked that we are in the same age bracket. I was convinced that between your "it's my day" tantrum and your habit of text speak that you are 19. I guess age doesn't equal maturity.

Also, it's not called shorthand, it's called text speak. I know shorthand and this isn't shorthand.

Wow really ur gonna complain because I called "text speak" shorthand...LoL. Seriously get a life. LoL...oh wow.

cidefi

flutterbride2b said:

cidefi said:

OK LET ME MAKE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR.  

You weren't clear before and that was a problem.  B-listing is super rude.  It's when a host sends out invites to additional people after receiving declines from the "A-list" who otherwise weren't important enough to invite in the first place.  What you are referring to isn't B-listing.  Stop calling it that and people won't tell you what a bad idea it is.

Well apparently the way I speak isn't proper because I don't use the correct terms when trying to convey my opinion. Hopefully I have cleared up any misunderstandings on my ABC lists. And from here on out, I will be aware of how I talk to make sure everyone understands my POV or opinion. Thanks

huskypuppy14

@Cidefi are you going to have complementary soft drinks for your wedding all night? I personally never assume that alcohol is going to be provided by the host, but it really makes me angry when I have to pay for a cranberry juice or a coke.  

huskypuppy14

Sorry that comment above was supposed to go in the cash bar thread.

cidefi

laurynm84 said:

@Cidefi are you going to have complementary soft drinks for your wedding all night? I personally never assume that alcohol is going to be provided by the host, but it really makes me angry when I have to pay for a cranberry juice or a coke.  

Actually no I'm not. My venue wants to start the breakdown 30 minutes before the reception ends. So there will be a last call on all food and drinks, and an announcement that the candy bar is open. And why would u pay for a drink when its an open bar?

huskypuppy14

Well that's interesting because in the other thread you said you were only having open bar during cocktail hour. So which is it? I call mud.

classyduck

Eeeeeeh, I think @cidefi was sort of provoked here, She didn't respond well, but come on, she was poked pretty hard.

We ALL have A, B, C, and even D lists. It's human nature. You have people you would die for, people who  mean the world to you, people who you love, people who you like, people who are fun, and people who are nice to have around, etc. Come on. We rank everyone we know, in our minds, whether it is a concrete ABCD or not. It happens.

You have to limit your guest list based on SOME criteria. Cidefi was just being frank about it. She never said her criteria was public. But we ALL have criteria. Make no mistake.

To me, at least, it was obvious what she meant, even though it was contrary to the "forum understanding" of b-listing. I don't know how anyone could have taken away something other than "mental organization" from her original post. Its just something we all do, subconsciously, or not.

Sorry if I'm being presumptuous, I'm just a bit astounded at the misunderstanding here.

cidefi

classyduck said:

Eeeeeeh, I think @cidefi was sort of provoked here, She didn't respond well, but come on, she was poked pretty hard.

We ALL have A, B, C, and even D lists. It's human nature. You have people you would die for, people who  mean the world to you, people who you love, people who you like, people who are fun, and people who are nice to have around, etc. Come on. We rank everyone we know, in our minds, whether it is a concrete ABCD or not. It happens.

You have to limit your guest list based on SOME criteria. Cidefi was just being frank about it. She never said her criteria was public. But we ALL have criteria. Make no mistake.

To me, at least, it was obvious what she meant, even though it was contrary to the forum understanding" of b-listing. I don't know how anyone could have taken away something other than "mental organization" from her original post. Its just something we all do, subconsciously, or not.

Sorry if I'm being presumptuous, I'm just a bit astounded at the gross misunderstanding here.

THANK YOU SO MUCH @classyduck. !!! I have been apart of this site for only a few weeks. I just found the message boards over the weekend. I've been reading EVERYTHING and really learning so much. But I just started to participate like maybe Monday, and OMG the Wedding Ninjas just decended down on me about every little thing, calling me tacky and rude, misquoting me, telling me I'm childish and immature for typing in text speak (I called it shorthand) instead of typing out full words. Yesterday I just got so mad and frustrated (in another thread) that I called people B***well u know the rest. I came here to ask questions, and receive advice, and yes I do use proper etiquette most of the time. But I felt judged, and criticized, and made fun of. I received a warning behind my behavior yesterday, and I should have, but I told them to just close my account. And then I thought about all the helpful info that I had gathered, and decided to leave my Knot open. I apologized for the things I said yesterday, because it was mean and stupid. And I was a goofbutt for letting other people affect me in such a bad way. At the end of the day I'm gonna be me, plain ol' me...like it or lump it. But I'm really happy to know that somebody understood what I was trying to say.

cidefi

laurynm84 said:

Well that's interesting because in the other thread you said you were only having open barduring cocktail hour. So which is it? I call mud.

I'm having an OPEN BAR DURING MY COCKTAIL HOUR ONLY. I will not be serving alcohol during dinner service for my reception. Do u understand what I'm saying?? My caterer has to start their breakdown 30 minutes before the end of my event according to the venue. So the DJ will do a last call on the food and drinks (sweet tea and lemonaid), and open the candy bar, where we will start to say our goodbyes.

Viczaesar

cidefi said:

@Cidefi are you going to have complementary soft drinks for your wedding all night? I personally never assume that alcohol is going to be provided by the host, but it really makes me angry when I have to pay for a cranberry juice or a coke.  

Actually no I'm not. My venue wants to start the breakdown 30 minutes before the reception ends. So there will be a last call on all food and drinks, and an announcement that the candy bar is open. And why would u pay for a drink when its an open bar?

We don't understand what you're saying because you're not making sense.  See the bolded part in this post?  That doesn't make sense in context.  Yelling isn't helping you make more sense.

classyduck

These boards are really tough on new posters. I'm sorry you had this experience, but you are far from the first new poster I've seen chewed to shreds (which is unfortunate, and I wish the mods would try and reform this aspect of board culture). Try and be as tactful as possible in the future -- there IS a great deal of good advice to be gotten here for sure. These ladies really know their stuff. But you have to wade through a bit of elitism to get to it, unfortunately. Especially when they decide to team up. At least, that's what I've seen, during my lurkage.

By the way, I'm quite new as well, so I expect to be ... antagonized, for supporting a clearly marked target, such as yourself. I just thought some things had been taken out of context, and wanted to speak my mind.

classyduck

One other bit... @cidefi, while I sympathize with your frustration, try not to "feed the fire". Many of your posts were inflammatory. Again, I get that you felt provoked, but your responses didn't help. This is a very "rulsey" place to participate. So, if you want to post, make sure you are willing to play by all the social rules here.

cidefi

delujm0 said:

cidefi said:

OK LET ME MAKE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR. I MADE 3 LIST... LIST A IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ME AND MY FH KNOW WILL COME WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. LIST B IS THOSE PEOPLE WE ARE NOT SURE ABOUT BECAUSE THEY EITHER LIVE IN OTHER COUNTIES OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WHATEVER THEIR REASON MY BE. LIST C IS A LIST OF PEOPLE (family members) THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT AT THE WEDDING FOR WHATEVER REASONS. MY invitations are going to mailed out early, so that our guest can make appropite travel plans for themselves and their children being that school will still in session and because we have a lot of military family members. No I'm not mailing out 3 different lists. I'm using 3 different list to organize the OVERALL guestlist. PLEASE STOP TWISTING THIS UP!!!

I'm going to ignore the rest of this ridiculousness, and ask why on earth you would even bother MAKING a list full of people that you don't want to be there?????  if you don't want them there, why would you ever consider inviting them?  It sounds like your C list is completely unnecessary.

 

i mean what would you rather have: a wedding with 100 guests, all of whom you want to be there, or a wedding with 130 guests, 30 of which you don't want to be there???  THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.  B-listing is bad enough.  Drop the C-list entirely, and be happy with a smaller guest count if it comes to that.

Is your "A-list" your maximum?  Because it sounds like the B-list is full of people who have a long trip so you just don't think they would want to come - i wouldn't make that decision for them if you don't have to.  You'd be surprised how many people would actually come to your wedding from far away.  You should let them make that decision themselves (assuming you have the space), and just invite them in the first place.

There is a C list because although I may not like them, my parents do. So because I've been asked to invite certain people for them there is a C list. My B list is for people who I would love to be there, but as I said earlier they might not be. My FI and I use to be in the military. We have friends and family who r still in the military. Sometimes its not that easy to just come home. Now although all invitations will go out at the same, I do expect everyone from list A or B to to be able to attend, which will make room for the people on list C. Again I stress that this is just my way of organizing my OVERALL guest list.

cidefi

TheFutureMrsRohlman22 said:

cidefi said:

OK LET ME MAKE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR.

I MADE 3 LIST... LIST A IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ME, MY FH KNOW WILL COME WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. LIST B IS THE PEOPLE WE ARE NOT SURE ABOUT BECAUSE THEY EITHER LIVE IN OTHER COUNTIES OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WHATEVER THEIR REASON MY BE. LIST C IS A LIST OF PEOPLE (family members) THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT AT THE WEDDING FOR WHATEVER REASONS. MY invitations are going to mailed out early, so that our guest can make appropite travel plans for themselves and their children being that school will still in session and because we have a lot of military family members. No I'm not mailing out 3 different lists. I'm using 3 different list to organize the OVERALL guestlist. PLEASE STOP TWISTING THIS UP!!!

cidefi said:

Wow really PDKH!! U people r calling me rude. But ur the 1's posting pictures and insulting me...wow this is laughable. Its great to see people get attacked for disagreeing with majority.

I am not disrespecting my guest by making lists in order to organize myself and keep track of things. I don't feel like it would disrespectful to decline money that was being given with stipulations. Hell if I were in the bride's shoes I would have offened by the SM's demands, but again that's just me and I don't know the entire situation.

This is really stupid and childish to me, and I won't be responding to any more of ur comments.

To the orginal poster, I really do hope that ur situation works out, and that ur wedding day turns out to eveything u hoped and planned for.

U all have a great night and be blessed

You are not being attacked here.  The "wedding ninja" came from your own post, she just supplied a picture of a "wedding ninja."  Because it's funny.  The only person attacking anyone is you @cidefi because (see quoted post above) all caps is considered yelling on an internet forum.  So you're the only one yelling at people and ATTACKING them.  The other posters just wanted to point out that your posts are against etiquette and this is an Etiquette Forum.  As in, a place where posters ask for advice about what to do in their situation that follows commonly accepted etiquette.

The definition for etiquette here being that you should be a proper host/hostess for your guests and see to their comfort and needs.  Example: If a bride does not provide enough chairs for her guests to all sit down during the ceremony, she is being rude to them because that causes them discomfort.  A proper hostess would have enough chairs for all of her guests to sit down.  If you do not care about the comfort of your guests, it might be wise to stop posting on an Etiquette board, where you will be refuted for your inconsiderate advice every time because the regular posters here spend a lot of time trying to help the newer posters learn proper etiquette and try to guide them to the correct hosting solution.

While you state that you are not trying to advise the posters, they ask a question and we all try to give them the most correct way to host their guests given their situation.  If you are posting what you would do in that situation, you are advising them that this is an acceptable solution to their problem and since you posted on an Etiquette board, you are also insinuating that your post exemplifies proper etiquette and will not offend the poster's guests.  Since none of us know each of the guests the poster plans to invite, what we do here is help the poster find a solution that will offend the smallest amount of people possible.  None of their guests, if we can manage it.  Most people are not offended by a gracious host/hostess who tries to see to the comfort of all of their guests.  Some people are indeed offended by cash bars, dollar dances, B-listing, fake ceremonies and everything of that ilk.

I personally do not mind text speak (which is the shortening of words like "you" and "are" to their phonetic letters "u" and "r") in small amounts although it does make your posts harder to read.


OH DEAR GOD STOP NICKPICKING!!! U people don't have to pick apart every single last freaking thing a person says. Geez don't u know how to read between the lines, or use common sense!!?? Seriously its a WEDDING!! It's a freaking wedding, and nobody is really gonna care about anything except the booze (if there any), and the food. Not 1 person is gonna die because they pay for drink, or because the wording isn't perfect on the invites, or because I use text speak on a website!! Posting pictures of something someone said is not funny ie. Wedding Ninjas. Its insulting and childish, and maybe hurtful to the poster. If u should get invited to a wedding and u don't like the invitation ie. cash bar - DECLINE TO GO. The couple would probably be better off without ur judgemental selves there anyway.

cidefi

Viczaesar said:

cidefi said:

laurynm84 said:

@Cidefi are you going to have complementary soft drinks for your wedding all night? I personally never assume that alcohol is going to be provided by the host, but it really makes me angry when I have to pay for a cranberry juice or a coke.  

Actually no I'm not. My venue wants to start the breakdown 30 minutes before the reception ends. So there will be a last call on all food and drinks, and an announcement that the candy bar is open. And why would u pay for a drink when its an open bar?

We don't understand what you're saying because you're not making sense.  See the bolded part in this post?  That doesn't make sense in context.  Yelling isn't helping you make more sense.


She's the 1 who mentioned hating to buy a cranberry and something drink. I just asked why would she buy 1 when there's an open bar. I mean clearly none of u r stupid or retarded.

cidefi

classyduck said:

One other bit... @cidefi, while I sympathize with your frustration, try not to "feed the fire". Many of your posts were inflamm gain, I get that you felt provoked, but your responses didn't help. This is a very "rulsey" place to participate. So, if you want to post, make sure you are willing to play by all the social rules here.

U r so very very right!! That is exactly what I'm doing. And these people r always gonna sit on their horses with their oh so proper always right etiquette. Thank u for reminding of that. Really thank u sssooo much.

Viczaesar

cidefi said:

cidefi said:

@Cidefi are you going to have complementary soft drinks for your wedding all night? I personally never assume that alcohol is going to be provided by the host, but it really makes me angry when I have to pay for a cranberry juice or a coke.  

Actually no I'm not. My venue wants to start the breakdown 30 minutes before the reception ends. So there will be a last call on all food and drinks, and an announcement that the candy bar is open. And why would u pay for a drink when its an open bar?

We don't understand what you're saying because you're not making sense.  See the bolded part in this post?  That doesn't make sense in context.  Yelling isn't helping you make more sense.

She's the 1 who mentioned hating to buy a cranberry and something drink. I just asked why would she buy 1 when there's an open bar. I mean clearly none of u r stupid or retarded.

*facepalm*

Viczaesar

Okay, God knows why, but I'm going to try again. Why are you bringing up the idea of an open bar in response to her question? She wasn't asking about when there's an open bar. It's not relevant. Therefore it makes no sense as a response. Do you follow me?

southernbelle0915

@cidefi I think the confusion may be the understanding of what an open bar is... An open bar includes all soft drinks, wine, beer, and hard alcohol. It's paid for by the hosts and the guests can get whatever they want. It sounds like you are having this during cocktail hour only. @laurynm84 was asking if you are still offering hosted soft drinks to your guests after cocktail hour or if guests will be charged for them.

cidefi

southernbelle0915 said:

@cidefi I think the confusion may be the understanding of what an open bar is... An open bar includes all soft drinks, wine, beer, and hard alcohol. It's paid for by the hosts and the guests can get whatever they want. It sounds like you are having this during cocktail hour only. @laurynm84 was asking if you are still offering hosted soft drinks to your guests after cocktail hour or if guests will be charged for them.

I'm from the south so there maybe some confusion on what "soft drinks" r. I define a soft drink as pop or soda. If @laurynm84 is asking me if I'm serving that, then my answer would still be no. We're not serving soda pop at all. Other wise @southernbelle I know what an open bar is.

I don't need people's condecending attitudes. My problem isn't that people r correcting me or suggesting things. My overall problem is the constant nickpicking over and over and over again. Ok so we all know about my bar situation. We all understand that there is a proper way and an improper to do it. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IM CHOOSING DO IT WRONG!!! Everybody does not have to keep saying the same thing a thousand times!! Now if u have questions, or maybe I didn't explain myself completely or correctly, then fine ask away. I have no problem with trying to help people understand my POV. But 1s I say this is what it is, then that's what it is. And all the insults and name calling, and stupid pictures r so unnessesary. I DON'T NEED TO KEEP BEING TOLD THAT I TYPE A 17 YEAR OLD. I type in shorthand/text speak its not a big deal. If is a big deal to u, SO WHAT!!! If u don't like how I type, skip over my responses...not hard to do. I type in big letters to stress a point, because the rules say that we can't use colored ink, not because I'm yelling. I've been saying the same thing for 3 days!! And now that bar topic has spilled over into this topic. CAN IT ALREADY!! I'm not changing ur minds, and u guys r not changing mine. U've told me the rules and have explained why it is that way. I appreciate the answers, but leave it be. I KNOW HOW U GUYS FEEL ALREADY...SHUT IT GEEZ!!!

cidefi

Viczaesar said:

Okay, God knows why, but I'm going to try again. Why are you bringing up the idea of an open bar in response to her question? She wasn't asking about when there's an open bar. It's not relevant. Therefore it makes no sense as a response. Do you follow me?

Then stop trying...simple.

KeptInStitches

Then why continue to argue your viewpoint? You know every time you continue to post that you're just digging a deeper hole ...

southernbelle0915

cidefi said:

@cidefi I think the confusion may be the understanding of what an open bar is... An open bar includes all soft drinks, wine, beer, and hard alcohol. It's paid for by the hosts and the guests can get whatever they want. It sounds like you are having this during cocktail hour only. @laurynm84 was asking if you are still offering hosted soft drinks to your guests after cocktail hour or if guests will be charged for them.

I'm from the south so there maybe some confusion on what "soft drinks" r. I define a soft drink as pop or soda. If @laurynm84 is asking me if I'm serving that, then my answer would still be no. We're not serving soda pop at all. Other wise @southernbelle I know what an open bar is. I don't need people's condecending attitudes. My problem isn't that people r correcting me or suggesting things. My overall problem is the constant nickpicking over and over and over again. Ok so we all know about my bar situation. We all understand that there is a proper way and an improper to do it. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IM CHOOSING DO IT WRONG!!! Everybody does not have to keep saying the same thing a thousand times!! Now if u have questions, or maybe I didn't explain myself completely or correctly, then fine ask away. I have no problem with trying to help people understand my POV. But 1s I say this is what it is, then that's what it is. And all the insults and name calling, and stupid pictures r so unnessesary. I DON'T NEED TO KEEP BEING TOLD THAT I TYPE A 17 YEAR OLD. I type in shorthand/text speak its not a big deal. If is a big deal to u, SO WHAT!!! If u don't like how I type, skip over my responses...not hard to do. I type in big letters to stress a point, because the rules say that we can't use colored ink, not because I'm yelling. I've been saying the same thing for 3 days!! And now that bar topic has spilled over into this topic. CAN IT ALREADY!! I'm not changing ur minds, and u guys r not changing mine. U've told me the rules and have explained why it is that way. I appreciate the answers, but leave it be. I KNOW HOW U GUYS FEEL ALREADY...SHUT IT GEEZ!!!

Wowwwwww..... I was trying to help you because it seemed like you were confused (you were). Nevermind....

PrettyGirlLost

That is what this thread has become, sheesh!