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Thoughtful objectivity needed/major life decision :)

Have you ever planned a big move with your FI/DH?  What sorts of things did you consider when weighing the pros and cons of relocating over a great distance?

After FI graduates from culinary school (Nov. 2010), we are seriously thinking about moving to Texas -- Dallas/Ft. Worth area -- where he grew up and his parents still live.  Most of my close family is in Michigan, and his are split between MI and TX.  So, as is, we must travel from MD to be with anyone in either place.  Cost of living is lower in TX.  The weather is nicer in TX.  The market for the kind of restaurant he wants to open is better in TX.  If we moved there I don't think we'd leave, whereas here I don't feel any great sense of permanency.

I fell in love with the DC area when I was a college intern, living the sweet life in a penthouse apartment with no bills and no responsibilities other than acting like I was the shiit all the time.  Now that I am a working adult with bills and real life to deal with, the enchantment has dimmed considerably.  I will forever love DC for the experiences I've had, but I no longer feel that I need to be here for the rest of my life.  The job market for my field is admittedly smaller, but there is a joint military base and a very large company (where both FI's parents work) where I would be able to find something applicable to my interests and goals.

So...help me be realistic.  What am I not thinking of?  What else should I weigh?  At the moment we are both getting really excited thinking about this possibility, so in the interest of not getting too carried away, bring me back down to Earth.

Oh, and FWIW, we're getting married in MI so that is already long distance planning and not really a factor.

Re: Thoughtful objectivity needed/major life decision :)

  • edited January 2010
    We're going through the same thing right now.  I think you're considering everything you need too, unless I'm missing stuff as well, haha.  My FI is unemployed right now and he can do his thing anywhere (photographer).  We're staying put until the wedding in August because I don't think I could handle long distance planning, plus I like the stability of my job to save money until then so we'd have some savings to move with in case one of us can't find a job right away. 

    That's the only thing I can think of to recommend at the moment, making sure you have 6-8 months living expenses before you move unless you have both secured jobs. 

    Also, if he grew up there and his family is there then he's already familiar with the area so that's an advantage.  We're going to be doing weekend trips to different cities to find our new place :)

    Good luck!! :)
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  • So, are you planning to move down there and THEN look for jobs?  If either or both of you have jobs now, and you don't have at LEAST a half a year's living expenses saved up, I would seriously recommend at least one of you finding a job there before moving, if that's not what you're already planning on doing. 
  • We moved to Kansas City earlier this year based 100% on FI's job.  He got an incredible job offer that would have been absolutely stupid for him not to take, and so we just went with it.  Granted, it's only a two-year position, so we do have a definite end, and we are pretty sure we won't be here permanently.

    The biggest thing that's been tough for me being here that you didn't talk about in your post was friends.  The vast majority of my friends live in Chicago, minus a few randomly scattered around the country.  FI has a few good friends here, but they're guys and it's not really the same.  My co-workers are nice, but they're all much older with families so I don't really get any girlfriend hang-out time anymore.  I've tried making friends at the gym and volunteering, et cetera, but nothing's really panned out.  (Maybe I'm just a loser.  That's also possible.)  It is hard living here without friends, BUT thanks to e-mail and Facebook I am able to stay in close touch with everyone.  But, it's not the same because I can't really call anyone to go out for lunch or shopping.

    I don't regret our decision--what we're doing here will mean a lot more money for us as a couple in a few years--but it's been hard.
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  • Meg -- we definitely want kids.  That's something I've tried to think about in all of this, and what I've come up with mostly is that if we moved there, we'd stay put, and out here, I couldn't guarantee that.  I would love to raise kids there, as FI had a great childhood.  Here, I have nothing to base it against.  

    JK -- we would for sure plan ahead.  Part of this decision making is committing to it far enough in advance, so that as FI is completing his senior year, he can begin looking for jobs in one place instead of here, there, and everywhere.  Once we firmly decided to move, I would begin looking as well.  You've got an excellent point, and one that we'd certainly have to include in planning.  This is totally why I came to my knottie ladies! :)    
  • hi, I'm a Texan living in Arkansas. 

     Here's my 2 cents:

    Dallas is expensive and the schools are bad (unless you live in Highland Park).  I bet your FI already knows that.  Everyone I know in Dallas went to private school or the Arts Magnet.  

    I highly recommend Bedford, North Richland Hills, Colleyville, or Southlake.  I'd love to end up in that area some day.  :)
  • One thing you didn't mention, but might come up is this - could you see yourself ever coming to resent him for being so close to his family and all his close friends, knowing yours are all so far away?  It seems like in DC maybe both of you had to start fresh, but when you get to Dallas, he's going to have ready-made friends and you will probably have to start from the beginning again (outside of his friends, couples, ect).  It sounds like a selfish thing to get mad over, but if you struggle to make friends or get a job, it could become a very real possibility

  • It sounds like you've covered the major points, I agree that at least one of you should have a job secured before you move though (although that doesn't sound like it would be a problem). 
  • FI and I are going through the same thing. We're planning on moving to Toronto (gasp different country!) in about a year and a half. I agree with everyone that at least one of you should try and have a job in the new location before you move or at least have a hell of a piggy bank.
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  • We've talked about moving several times, but the biggest factor that is keeping us here is our families.  We know we want to have them around when we have kids (within the next 2 years for us).  Don't know if that's a factor for you or not, but it does sound like he has some family in TX...

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    [QUOTE]One thing you didn't mention, but might come up is this - could you see yourself ever coming to resent him for being so close to his family and all his close friends, knowing yours are all so far away?  It seems like in DC maybe both of you had to start fresh, but when you get to Dallas, he's going to have ready-made friends and you will probably have to start from the beginning again (outside of his friends, couples, ect).  It sounds like a selfish thing to get mad over, but if you struggle to make friends or get a job, it could become a very real possibility
    Posted by cbvcru67[/QUOTE]

    I think this is an excellent point.  I agree completely, from experience.
  • Sounds good.

    FI is moving with me, if applicable, when I do a PhD. Right now, the possibilities for me are to stay in LA or to move to NC or Boston. After my PhD, it is likely we'll have to move again for my job.

    As long as the other person realizes the importance of the move/career of the one who needs to relocate, it sounds like a great plan!

    Oh, and my boss recently moved to Florida to be close to his wife's family. He has a 1 year old daughter. It's really nice to have family near by when you ahve kids.
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  • One thing I had a difficult time with in my last marriage when we relocated together was the perceived permanence of it all. For me, it's easier to say "let's relocate here for at least 2 years then re-evaluate"...both times I settled into a pattern in my life to do something *forever* it failed miserably.

    In other words, don't try to plan too far ahead.

    The point about friends & relationships is a good one. Give yourself at least a year in a new place before you have at least a starting base of friends.
  • The friends thing is a good point.  My very best friends are all scattered around the midwest, so I'm already not with them.  I also don't have a very large base of friends out here, and most of them are just situational.  FI knows nobody, as he's back and forth to school in Rhode Island.  He doesn't keep in touch with many people from TX, so if we did move there he'd only have 1 or 2 friends from his past readily available.  I do have a good friend from high school down there and a few people I know from college.  I sort of feel like since I'm already far away from my closest girl friends, I don't have much to lose either way, whether we stayed here or moved there. 

    As far as family goes, I definitely wouldn't mind being near his family.  His parents and entire dad's side are there, and one aunt and uncle on his mom's side.  Then in MI are his other 4 aunts (his mom has 5 sisters).  And similar to the friends thing, I'm already long distance to my family as it is, so not much would change in that department and we'd gain wonderful proximity to his fam.  It would be very nice to have family in one place, and only have to travel to the other, rather than having to travel no matter who we want to see.
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    [QUOTE]FI and I are going through the same thing. We're planning on moving to Toronto (gasp different country!) in about a year and a half. I agree with everyone that at least one of you should try and have a job in the new location before you move or at least have a hell of a piggy bank.
    Posted by agk0125[/QUOTE]

    make sure you get the rosetta stone or something to learn the language! it would suck if you moved there and were unable to communicate!

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  • Well aside from the fact that you'd be moving away from ME (cry), I'd say it sounds like you'd have more resources to help y'all get going in Texas. 
  • ok, jokes aside, we are considering the same thing. orlando is uber-transient and nobody who lives here is from here or plans to stay here. i'm from GA, so we considered moving to the atlanta area...or maybe raleigh, NC since hubby works in IT.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thoughtful objectivity needed/major life decision :) : make sure you get the rosetta stone or something to learn the language! it would suck if you moved there and were unable to communicate! (collegesweethearts/jaysgirl memories!)
    Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

    Do you think they make a "Southern accent" edition for Northern Midwesterners? ;)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thoughtful objectivity needed/major life decision :) : Do you think they make a "Southern accent" edition for Northern Midwesterners? ;)
    Posted by kate51485[/QUOTE]

    They should!  My college roommate in NC had a really thick southern accent and we had some communication problems.  Once I had a "spatter" on my jacket (spider) and that took <em>way</em> too long to figure out!
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thoughtful objectivity needed/major life decision :) : They should!  My college roommate in NC had a really thick southern accent and we had some communication problems.  Once I had a "spatter" on my jacket (spider) and that took way too long to figure out!
    Posted by FutureMrsTR[/QUOTE]

    OMG! Too funny from a language standpoint but totally not funny from a SPATTER/SPIDER standpoint! Gah!
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  • Um, if you guys move to Dallas we'll be just a couple of hours away when we move to Austin!!!  And then we'll have to have GTGs. 

    I have good friends in the Dallas area.  One set just bought a house near Richardson. 

    I think you've got most of your bases covered.  Do you guys already have cars?  A portion of our saving up right now is so we can buy cars once we get down there.
  • Here's my thoughts on this.  Allen and I moved to Italy when we'd only been together for a little over a year.  It was the first time I'd ever left the country, first time I'd gone on an international flight-- first time everything.  It was scary.as.hell.  On the plus side for you, it's not a completely different culture and language.  On the other hand, do not underestimate the difference you are going to notice.  Don't think that everything will be fine and it won't be a big deal because you can "handle it".  You and your FI should talk constantly, once you have moved, about how you're both feeling there.  There will be times when you hate it, there will be times when you love it- the important thing is for you both to understand where you're each coming from and how you're feeling about it all.  The hardest times for us were when neither of us understood why the other was sad/angry/depressed.  As long as you keep talking about what's going on, you should be okay. 

    It's also incredibly difficult to start over with friends, give yourself a good year or so before you can get to the point where you feel like you have a group of friends.
  • Ooh very true Julez!  I remember you mentioned that a while ago.  Remind me, do you have a timeframe?

    Yes, we both have cars and they are both paid off.  I am avoiding a new car payment like the plague so with any luck, they'll last at least a few more years.  My car has 56-something thousand miles on it, so it should be good for a while yet.
  • OMG wait, wait... Julez AND Kate moving off the East Coast? That's it, I am forcing DH to accept the Tucson assignment.
  • Amoro, I was hoping you'd see this!  Thank you for the input, and I agree.  Jay moved to the east coast to be with me, and it hasn't been easy for him.  He's always been honest when something bothers him, which I appreciate, even though there's not much we can do about it immediately since he has to finish school. 

    I know that moving down there would be a lot of changes for me, but I am hopeful that they would be challenges that in the end would set us on a better course than we'd be on if we stayed here.  It's a little scary to start making plans that incorporate the future, though, that is for sure.  
  • Just make sure that you make good decisions with extra money. :)  Do you have a house or anything to off load? 

    Honestly, when H was making his decision, it was between Italy and Texas.  We just thought we'd make soooo much more here for it to be worth it.  Well, and the experience.  We don't regret coming to Europe, but we DO regret some of the decisions we've made in terms of going back and forth to the US and not renting the house or selling it. 
  • Well it does sound like you're excited about it and that's a good thing! 

    When my H and I were just bf/gf and had been together about a year and a half, we moved from IN to FL together.  We didn't know anyone down there but he had a job and I found one after only a month of looking.  I was lucky enough to get a job with all people my age, so I made some great friendships with girls that have lasted to this day 7 years later.  Two years ago we moved back home to IN where all of his friends are but none of mine are.  So each move had it's challenges.

    You have to be comfortable with each other.  When you don't have friends, or your own friends that aren't his, it can get hard and you can feel some resentment.  When you're close enough to his family to see them all the time but rarely ever get to see yours, that can be hard too.  That's the situation my H and I are in now.  Like Amoro said, you have to be able to talk about your feelings to each other so nothing is misinterpreted.  Remember that everything changes, nothing stays the same!  You will meet new friends, you'll get jobs with new opportunities. 

    In the end, if you're ready for a change, you have to make the decision that makes the most sense for the two of you.
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  • What a show off with your 2 paid off cars Wink I'm totally not looking forward to buying a car or driving again.

    The plan is end of August because that's when our lease is up.  We'd totally move tomorrow but we don't have money saved up and I don't think we could get out of our lease. 

    Have you spent a lot of time in Dallas?  My best friend lived there for a couple years after we graduated law school and she ended up liking it WAY more than she thought she would. 
  • Julez -- don't be too jealous :) my car is only paid for because I worked my butt off in college to make the Dean's List every semester after my mom told me that if I did, she'd pay the car off by the time I graduated.  It was a very good motivator!  And our time is spent more in the Ft. Worth area than Dallas...that's where FI grew up and his parents live outside of it in Burleson now, home of Kelly Clarkson haha.

    Amoro: we live in an apartment now, so that is one plus to relocating before we make a house decision out here. 


    Thanks you guys, and Dani, for the advice!

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