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Grandmother trying to "figure out" my beliefs is driving me batty! How can I please her wi

The background: I'm Buddhist and my FI was raised Jewish but is not practicing.  I am actively practicing, consider myself a religious person, and am a member of the local Buddhist community.  I had a traumatic experience in Sunday school as a kid and it's left me with a life-long distaste for Jesus, even though I know my experience is not reflective of the Christian faith as a whole.

There is no real Buddhist wedding tradition, so to speak, so we're writing our own ceremony that reflects our values without naming any religious figures.  Because my grandparents and my FI's parents are practicing Jews, we're incorporating a few traditions like breaking the glass and both of us being escorted down the aisle by both parents.  My mom's family is Christian and agreed to sing some hymns that don't mention Jesus or God to reflect their Congregationalist roots.

The problem is, my mom's mom is insistant that we include God in the ceremony.  She tries to bring it up in a variety of other contexts (eg. "what childhood traditions are important to you?" or "how do you plan to honor your own family history?") but it always ends with her refusing to acknoledge that I don't believe in God.  We live nearby and take her out almost every Sunday when she's done with Church, and FI and I both love getting to spend time with her.  She's a really amazing person, but this is ruining my desire to be anywhere near her!  I'm even more frustrated that my aunt is supporting my grandmother's cause and keeps suggesting Biblical verses, and my own mom suggested we switch out one of my favorite hymns for one that mentions God directly.

I know that they are precieving my refusals as disrespectful of their relgion, but I feel like their pressing the issue is extremely disrespectful of MY religion!  We're going in circles at ths point and I am out of ideas for compromises.  What would you do??  Any ideas of ways to honor Christianity without bringing in God or Jesus? 


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Re: Grandmother trying to "figure out" my beliefs is driving me batty! How can I please her wi

  • That's a tough one.  Would it be acceptable to them if you have a reading that mentions faith without specifically mentioning WHICH faith?
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  • Any ideas of ways to honor Christianity without bringing in God or Jesus? 

    Well, no.  Because Christianity IS about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.  You just can't really, IMO, have something Christian without mentioning God or Jesus.

    IMO, if you're old enough to get married, you're old enough to say "Mom, I understand that this might be difficult for you.  But this wedding is about FI and me and what is meaningful to us.  I'm sorry if you're disappointed, but you had your Christian wedding.  Now I hope that you'll respect and honor the ceremony that we will have."

    And then let her know that the discussion is over.  And make it over.  The first time she brings it up, remind her for the last time that you'll not be discussing it again.  And then if she brings it up, tell her you're hanging up now.....leave the room.....whatever you need to do.

    Adding a Christian part of your ceremony when you are NOT a Christian, nor is your FI, is just being, again IMO, disrespectful to the Christian faith. 
    "Trix, it's what they/our parents wanted. Why so judgemental? And why is your wedding date over a year and a half ago? And why do you not have a groom's name? And why have you posted over 12,000 posts? And why do you always say mean things to brides?" palegirl146
  • Jenn- I reccomended she find something in Song of Solomon to read.  I agree, it has some beautiful poetry!  But my grandmother isn't buying into it.

    Trix- I have put my foot down to my mom and my aunt, and while they may not always agree or even keep their ideas to themselves, they ultimately respect my authority on the matter.  My GRANDMOTHER, on the other hand, is used to getting her way at this point in her life and my mom did not have a Christian wedding either, so I think I'm getting double-guilted.  IMO, it's horribly rude to hang up on people or leave the room when someone is talking to you, and I feel sorry for your elders if you treat them with such disrespect.

    Lisarose- our whole ceremony is faith without a blatent label :-)  Grandma is upset that she doesn't get to label her part with God/Jesus.

    Salt- "God doesn't like liars" made me smile, it sums up my feelings about the whole thing- I don't think it's respectful to anyone for us to pretend to believe something we don't, and so we're not asking anyone to buy into our beliefs either.  The whole idea is to have meaningful statements and rituals that celebrate what we think is important about marriage and love, and these rituals can come from many places without being lies.
     The spiritual leader of our lineage was married a few years ago.  He married a woman who was raised Christian, and among the thousands of guests were representatives from at least a dozen faiths.  Because we belief that making people feel welcome and comfortable is paramont, he and his now-wife had a non-demoninational wedding with elements of multiple religions.  They were able to find rituals and readings that were meaningful without being untrue to their own upbringings, so I KNOW it's possible to nod to many religious traditions and stay true to our own faith at the same time.


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  • The wedding you went to sounds beautiful. :) We had a very non-denominational ceremony also (both my husband and I are spiritual, but not religious). Luckily, my family is pretty much the same way and no one tried to change a thing, but if I were in your shoes,I would definitely stick to your guns. This is your wedding, not your grandmother's. 
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  • IMO, it's horribly rude to hang up on people or leave the room when someone is talking to you, and I feel sorry for your elders if you treat them with such disrespect.

    Well, respect is a two way street, and it's always been my belief that it is earned, not automatically given.  Your grandmother continues to disrespect you, to the point where you yourself admit that it is affecting your relationship with her.  Perhaps if you tell her that the matter is not up for discussion, and then you refuse to indulge her when she tries (I'm sorry grandma, but this issue is not up for discussion.  If you persist, I am going to have to hang up), the suggestions will stop.
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  • Trix - I feel sorry for your elders :P
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  • Stop asking family members to help with your ceremony.  You've already discussed it, and you know what she wants, Christianity.  Ok, now do your ceremony with your FI and no other input.  If she brings it up, say "we're working on it" and change the subject.  Then let her see it at the wedding.  If you don't discuss it with her, she has no space to comment.

    If you want her to understand what you believe in, I'd suggest getting her a book about Buddism.  
  • MyNameIsNot- I'm not asking them for help or even mentioning anything about the ceremony.  Grandma's bringing it up out of the blue.  I've tried saying, "We're working on it, and it's our ceremony and we don't believe in God so it doesn't feel right to include him" but so far no luck

    Tide and Trix- As far as tthe respect goes (sorry I was so cynical/rude about this last night, Trix): According to Shambala Buddhism we try to be mindful of everyone even if they are not of us.  When I was disrespectful to you, it didn't make it easier for you to be respectful of me.  So, hanging up on her (even with warning) doesn't make anything better.  It makes it easier in the short run and may make her shut up, but it doesn't solve the bigger issue of her feeling disrespected.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_grandmother-trying-figure-out-beliefs-driving-batty-can-please-her-giving-up-ceremony-sorry-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:36Discussion:dca4bcc1-ea2d-476f-a880-1b41fb6e56b3Post:7f22cf6c-f044-401f-ae65-d6e6d3118289">Re: Grandmother trying to "figure out" my beliefs is driving me batty! How can I please her without giving up our ceremony? (sorry, long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]MyNameIsNot- I'm not asking them for help or even mentioning anything about the ceremony.  Grandma's bringing it up out of the blue.  I've tried saying, "We're working on it, <strong>and it's our ceremony and we don't believe in God so it doesn't feel right to include him</strong>" but so far no luck 
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    <div>This is exactly what I'm talking about.  You're engaging and explaining.  Stop it.  End with "We're working on it" and change the subject.  You're opening the conversation for her to argue with you.</div>
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_grandmother-trying-figure-out-beliefs-driving-batty-can-please-her-giving-up-ceremony-sorry-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:36Discussion:dca4bcc1-ea2d-476f-a880-1b41fb6e56b3Post:d432efd2-d46e-47ab-bfbd-fd18017502cd">Re: Grandmother trying to "figure out" my beliefs is driving me batty! How can I please her without giving up our ceremony? (sorry, long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Jenn- I . Trix- I have put my foot down to my mom and my aunt, and while they may not always agree or even keep their ideas to themselves, they ultimately respect my authority on the matter.  .

    Well, my elders wouldn't do to me what your grandmother is doing to you.  We treat each other with respect. 

    So no, I have never in my life had to hang up on someone.  And while I don't condone it, I think you are being treated like a willful child, and frankly, you shouldn't be putting up with it.  If you don't engage, your grandmother can't keep coming back at you.  So stop getting involved with her.
    "Trix, it's what they/our parents wanted. Why so judgemental? And why is your wedding date over a year and a half ago? And why do you not have a groom's name? And why have you posted over 12,000 posts? And why do you always say mean things to brides?" palegirl146
  • hey, 

    So FI and I both come from Catholic families.. but neither of us are religious at all. I want to have a ceremony that is about our love and our story .. not about how jesus brought us together or something like that. To each is own ya know, but thats just not for us. When we told our parents that we we were not getting married in a church, or by a priest they both gave us horrified looks lol. So i can understand where you are coming from

    The thing is of all the things people stress about the ceremony is truly the most important special part of the wedding!. It should be about you, your FI and YOUR love and YOUR beliefs. I really don't think is something you should budge on. its not like its the color of a napkin or something were talking about here. I would just end the conversation. Next time she brings it up just say you understand where she is coming from and you are considering what you will end up doing. I think talking about what you believe is only adding fuel to the fire. Trust me I am a very liberal girl from a very republican family. its best to just not even have that conversation. Once the ceremony is all said and done I am sure your grandma will be so thrilled that you married the man you love she will just be happy and forget it. 

    I hope it works out for you!



  • I feel very sorry for you because i think your ceremony sounds absolutely beautiful. It's so thoughtful of you to try and make everyone feel thought about by including a little bit of your religions and theirs. And you are right to not mention god if you do not believe in him.

    I think everyone has said all that can be said about trying to make her stop but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be working.

    At the end of the day, she cannot force you to put something in so you may just have to listen to it for the next three months but i'm sure when it comes to your actual wedding she will be so happy for you and it sounds so beautiful that she may see that actually your way was best.

    I hope it all works our for you!!

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  • Just ignore her and don't talk about it. it's none of your grandmother's business. This is your wedding, and you don't have to include God if you don't want to.

    My grandma used to be the same way. She used to go on and on with a guilt trip about how she hates knowing she will die with her granddaughter going to hell because she's not baptized. No, I'm not and never will be, get over it. I follow my Cherokee and Creek ancestry, not her God. Every birthday or christmas was filled with religious gifts to get me to see the light.

    Then one day she called my mom (not her daughter) and said she needed to make me go to church and my mom let her have it, saying it's my choice and she will never make me do something that makes me uncomfortable. In her words, "It's not like she's out worshipping the devil! Let her believe what makes her happy."

    Not a peep since then. So, you need to either stand up to your family and say your religion is what makes you happy, or just stop talking about it altogether. Don't give in to their demands.
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    "Trix, it's what they/our parents wanted. Why so judgemental? And why is your wedding date over a year and a half ago? And why do you not have a groom's name? And why have you posted over 12,000 posts? And why do you always say mean things to brides?" palegirl146
  • It sounds like you have carefully, patiently and politely explained your stance on the ceremony to your grandmother. While you don't have to hang up or walk away, now is the time to close the conversation. Don't ask any more questions, don't ask for your grandmother's acceptance, don't defend your decisions, just move on. To make it clear that your preferences are firm and final, you might even have the ceremony programs printed now - that would be a clear sign to your family that the conversation is closed.

    I was sort of trying to head down the same path when I began planning, trying to incorporate FI's family's Catholicism. I knew very little about the religion (I was not raised with any religion and have identified as an atheist since I knew the word), and FI apparently got nothing out of Catholic school and 20 years of church, so I was surprised that the general knottie reaction was, "you can't do Catholic part-way. It would be an insult." I have come to understand that some religious groups are more strict in their rites, rituals, and belief systems than others, so although your intention to include limited aspects of the family religion comes from a good place, to your family it might feel horrible, as if you've invited them but told them they can't bring their left arms. While you are attempting to be inclusive, all they feel is the exclusion.

    Incorporating spiritual elements with Christian roots is what's meaningful to you, and that's great, but there may not be a way to make them feel the same about it. Instead of trying to sell your ceremony as inclusive of their beliefs or find common ground, just remind them that this is what's meaningful to you and your FI, and what you want for your wedding, and that you are so honored to have them to help you make it happen. You shouldn't feel like you have to solve the age-old religion debate in order to have a meaningful and beautiful wedding ceremony. And chances are, once she sees you walk down the aisle Gramma will forget about the whole God issue and just enjoy this special moment in your life.
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