Animal Rights

jeanacorina · November 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_animal-rights?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1a9a5b71-0525-476b-9e19-9639a9cccd3ePost:6042f0ef-e369-4f84-8e25-85c3a3c1c2ca">Re: Animal Rights</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Animal Rights : That's apples and oranges. Abuse against children is exponentially more horrific. The story you shared is horrible. No animal should ever have to go through what that dog did. It was out of pure hate,with no purpose. But replace the dog in the story with a child, and the person should be punished more severely.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree with you. In my personal opinion, animals = small children.

I understand that it's not the common view held by society... but it's mine.

PaigeMcC · November 2010

Pugs = my children.

I think abuse (of a person or animal) is wrong. However, I think some people overreact as to what is abuse and what is not. Pugs sitting in my car for 15 minutes = nothin' at all. They love to people watch (as long as it's not too hot/cold). Leaving my 2 year old in my car for 15 minutes = parental fail.

jeanacorina · November 2010

Paige, you make a good point. There is a difference in what constitutes abuse of children vs abuse of an animal. I'd be in a whole world of trouble if I had two small children at home alone while I'm off at school and work all day.

Cats can take care of themselves for a couple of days with proper food, water, and litter box provided. Children can't.

But that doesn't mean I value my cats less than I would a child, or that I think they lack emotion or the ability to feel pain and remember things. It just means they have different capabilities. Different does not equal less important or even less intelligent. It just means different.

jeanacorina · November 2010

Which brings up another great point:

It would be wonderful if babies could be litter-box trained as quickly as kittens are.

leia1979 · November 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_animal-rights?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1a9a5b71-0525-476b-9e19-9639a9cccd3ePost:6042f0ef-e369-4f84-8e25-85c3a3c1c2ca">Re: Animal Rights</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Animal Rights :.. . People who abuse animals purely out of meanness should be punished, but these people should not be charged and punished the same as child abusers. That's apples and oranges. Abuse against children is exponentially more horrific. The story you shared is horrible. No animal should ever have to go through what that dog did. It was out of pure hate,with no purpose. But replace the dog in the story with a child, and the person should be punished more severely. ...
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

I agree with Jeana in that I politely disagree with you on this statement. I don't think the victim being human makes in any worse than the victim being an animal. Someone horribly abused a life that he was supposed to care for. Therefore he should be punished.

Yes, I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but I do think someone who can do something like that to an animal won't hesitate to do that to a human.

redheadtmk · November 2010

for those of you with little dogs or "purse puppies" as some people call them, you should check out your states laws on service/campanion animals. where i live (id/wa border) in both states you can only be asked if the dog is a service animal. if you say yes, then they have to let you in and can not ask for proof. i take my dog lots of places and there is nothing they can do about me having her. i am considerate of things like not taking her in restaurants or grocery stores. she loves walmart. its nice to not have to leave her at home or in the car.

Wrkn925 · November 2010

You bring your dog in Wal-Mart and say it's a service animal?

That is despicable.

Narwhal · November 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_animal-rights?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1a9a5b71-0525-476b-9e19-9639a9cccd3ePost:6dd09b7d-eed8-4a5c-96d0-9c8d0dd7124e">Re: Animal Rights</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Animal Rights : I agree with Jeana in that I politely disagree with you on this statement. I don't think the victim being human makes in any worse than the victim being an animal. Someone horribly abused a life that he was supposed to care for. Therefore he should be punished. Yes, I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but I do think someone who can do something like that to an animal won't hesitate to do that to a human.
Posted by leia1979[/QUOTE]

<div>I agree with the way you worded this. They were meant to care for this life and instead, they abused it. </div><div>
</div><div>I'm not saying that people who (safely) leave their pets in the car should be in the same category as people who hit children, but extreme neglect, abuse, and disregard for a life should all be treated in the same manner.</div><div>
</div><div>I mean hey, we're all animals afterall, right? ;)</div><div>
</div><div>Also, the first signs of murderers and those with antisocial personality disorder (the common diagnosis of serial killers) are that they mistreat animals. </div>

zipis1 · November 2010

I'm definitely for animal rights. I'm vegetarian, and have no problem with other people eating meat, but I believe those animals have the right to be treated well, be granted good living conditions, and slaughtered as painlessly as possible.

I feel that animals are akin to a young child mentally/emotionally. No, I don't think that leaving your dog/cat alone in the house for the workday is the same as leaving your two year old like that, but that's because human children need more than animals as far as food and diaper changes and such. Plus, if cats had thumbs I think that'd make a world of difference as well. :P But true animal abuse/neglect? I feel it needs to be punished on the same level as we would a child abuser. We are their protectors. They trust us and love us and need us.

Also, as a vet tech, I definitely think that people who have sex with animals need to be punished, and punished severely. I've worked with animals that have been subjected to that abuse, and they show clear signs of PTSD. Oftentimes they are unable to be rehabilitated to be OK with human touch again, and have to be put down. It's disgusting.

jeanacorina · November 2010

Also... if cats had thumbs.. oh my.

zipis1 · November 2010

No! Not my rubik's cube! I was so close to soloving it myself! :O

...though at least then they'd be able to clean their own darn litter box.

Narwhal · November 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_animal-rights?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1a9a5b71-0525-476b-9e19-9639a9cccd3ePost:b7586c4b-1f4e-448f-bfa9-f53ef62499e8">Re: Animal Rights</a>:
[QUOTE]No! Not my rubik's cube! I was so close to soloving it myself! :O ...though at least then they'd be able to clean their own darn litter box.
Posted by zipis1[/QUOTE]

<div>But you know they wouldn't lower themselves to cleaning up their own poop.</div>

Hazel_B · November 2010

leia you worded it perfectly, this is exactly how I feel.

Acrosthec · November 2010

I think that animals have rights, in the sense that they have the right to be cared for, respected, and not tortured or abused. In the sense that they have the right to vote, attend public school, etc...well, just no.

To answer Bren's questions: yes, I think we need to do our best to protect animals from harm. I think this should be done both for the welfare of the animal and for our own good. Having animals around is beneficial in many ways, most of which have been posted in this thread (testing, food, basic companionship, service animals, etc.).

Most slaughterhouse articles I've read (and I've read probably more than my share) are awful. I do still eat meat on occasion, but I try to stay conscious of what the animal went through before it arrived in my grocery store. If I can buy locally at the farmer's market or the meat market down the road from my office, I'll do that instead. We eat a lot of fish as a result. Not that the farm-raised fish have it a lot better off than other farm-raised animals, but I like to think it's not SO bad.

One of my focus-points in law school was Animal Law, and my final project was writing legislature to establish a registry in Georgia that resembles the sex offender registry, but for people who abuse animals. Tennessee already has one in place, and other states are working on it as well. There are multitudes of laws protecting animals, however, most states are pretty lax on it and animal cruelty is considered a misdemeanor unless it's the third time or horrifically bad. For anyone who's interested in looking up the laws in their state, http://www.animallaw.com is the International Institute for Animal Law, and has a ton of information. There are also non-profit agencies out there that have started animal abuse registries on their own, which you can find by Googling.

redheadtmk · November 2010

i have never had to say she is a service animal at walmart or anywhere for that matter. walmarts specific policy is only the door greeter or management can ask. every store in the area does not ask because it is against policy to harass people with service dogs. they jsut assume and i dont walk to managment and offer any information on my dog. my post was not an encouragement to be dishonest so much as a suggestion to those who are worried about leaving thier dogs in the car for a few minutes and getting them taken away. as in the pp stories. like i said i dont take her where there is food, and i really dont shop often. it is just convenient to be able to do errands and not leave her at home or in the car.

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