Women's Rights

musicalsunlight · February 2012

Or this one:

Basically condoning gettin' busy with a guy even though it's not a good idea.

specialk84 · February 2012

My thirteen-year-old niece wears things I would wear to bars when I was 22.

H said to me once, "Why are her shorts so short?" I tried to explain to him that it was ridiculously hard to find conservative looking clothing for girls in her age range. Her mom shops primarily at Wal-Mart, and most of the clothes there are way too short.

Part of me wants women to dress more conservatively, if only to help negate the "all women are sex objects" line of thinking. Another part of me feels guilty for even thinking a woman (or girl) is dressed inappropriately.

musicalsunlight · February 2012

Oh lord they just keep getting worse as I search:

SEWF · February 2012

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[QUOTE]<strong>MuSu touched on it, but what do you guys think about all the princess-themed stuff?</strong> I have never purchased any of it for any of the little girls in my life. I think it's ridiculous to raise a whole generation to think they need to find the right man or their lives won't be happy. I say this as someone who adopted a dog named Princess (she was a rescue, and that was her original name). She now lives with my parents, where she wears a pink rhinestone collar.
Posted by specialk84[/QUOTE]

<div>I was just thinking about this last night. We're not planning on children for a couple more years, but I know how my family operates. I don't want a bunch of princess themed pink stuff in my house of for my child. A little bit is fine, but I want trucks and legos and play tool sets for a daughter, as well as princess stuff. On the same token, I want any sons to have dolls and play kitchens. I grew up with a boy cousin who was more like a brother, and we always played Barbies and Army men, and the Barbies would drive the tanks. THAT'S what I want for future children.</div><div>
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MattsPenguin · February 2012

Cfas - I totally agree. I think it's make believe. It's when the kid doesn't understand the difference between reality and fantasy that there's an issue.

MuSu - I love that word! It's what we liked to call the 8, 9, 10 year olds who were dressing way too old for their age. And who is supposed to wear those shirts that you are posting? Teenagers?

musicalsunlight · February 2012

Cfas, I hadn't thought of that, but I don't think so. I'm not sure Hollister is smart enough to make that connection.

MP -- Yeah they are marketed toward teen girls but I don't think that makes it any better.

sarabellam · February 2012

I didn't get either of my daughters anything princess-related, and neither one has ever owned a single Barbie. My mother wouldn't allow us to have Barbies as children. Something about she didn't want her daughters playing with dolls who had tits.

MattsPenguin · February 2012

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[QUOTE]MK -- I really want to run the Disney Princess Half-Marathon. I'm thinking of doing it next year. Good luck!
Posted by cfaszews25[/QUOTE]

I think you mean me. But yes, do it! I'm excited and scared all at the same time. I'm hoping it'll be a great atmosphere. The average finishing time is reported to be 2 hr and 45 min, so I know that I won't be the last person finishing. You know, the one that they have to sweep up and carry to the finish.

specialk84 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Women's Rights : I was just thinking about this last night. We're not planning on children for a couple more years, but I know how my family operates. I don't want a bunch of princess themed pink stuff in my house of for my child. A little bit is fine, but I want trucks and legos and play tool sets for a daughter, as well as princess stuff. On the same token, I want any sons to have dolls and play kitchens. I grew up with a boy cousin who was more like a brother, and we always played Barbies and Army men, and the Barbies would drive the tanks. THAT'S what I want for future children.
Posted by SEWF[/QUOTE]

<div>My brother and I both played with Barbies and GI Joe. My Barbie Corvette stood in for a tank once.</div><div>
</div><div>I buy books, puzzles and Legos for the little girls I know. When I make gifts for a new baby, they tend to be green or yellow.</div>

baystateapple · February 2012

I just want my kids to feel free to play with whatever they want, whatever gender they are. While I think overdoing the gender lines is ridiculous, I equally think that the parents who refuse to raise their child as any gender aren't doing their kids any favors. Gender is a part of a person's identity, even when you take away the pink and blue and GI-Joe and Barbie. Pretending that gender isn't a huge part of how kids and adults identify themselves isn't realistic.

musicalsunlight · February 2012

I don't like people using their children as social experiments.

baystateapple · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I don't like people using their children as social experiments.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]

You put it so much better than I did.

specialk84 · February 2012

Bay, I heard this on the radio this morning:

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/21/147180163/pediatricians-more-patients-want-to-change-their-gender

SEWF · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I just want my kids to feel free to play with whatever they want, whatever gender they are. While I think overdoing the gender lines is ridiculous, I equally think that the parents who refuse to raise their child as any gender aren't doing their kids any favors. Gender is a part of a person's identity, even when you take away the pink and blue and GI-Joe and Barbie. Pretending that gender isn't a huge part of how kids and adults identify themselves isn't realistic.
Posted by baystateapple[/QUOTE]

<div>I was going to say that, too. I feel like it would leave you feeling completely without direction. Growing up, I knew I was a girl, and my cousin was a boy. Still, we shared clothes and toys, so there never really felt like there was a difference to me. We just are who we are, no matter what our interests are.</div>

specialk84 · February 2012

If I were to spawn, I envision a dinosaur-themed nursery, regardless of the baby's gender.

Starqueg · February 2012

I don't have a problem with princess stuff, just the idea that little girls should wait for their prince to rescue them.

sonya+adam · February 2012

When I was in 8th grade, I did Women's Rights as the theme for my history fair project, along with a group of friends. We decided to do a skit, and I think we were pretty creative. I would have watched us, anyway. Ha. Learning about it really made me love being a woman and it made me realize what women had to go through in order for us to get what we have today. Since then, I'm super big on women's rights. I'm not a feminist who doesn't shave her armpits or anything, but I do believe in equality of genders.

Also, it made me hate Sarah Palin, lol.

baystateapple · February 2012

Yeah, Special...I remember years ago that gender transition was a really taboo subject, nobody did it, kids made fun of it, etc. Now I know three people who are either working towrads gender reassignment or have had it.

My sister dated this really nice boy for almost two years. He was very skinny and almost waif-like and wore his hair long. He also really loved girls' clothes. He said he was bi and my sister is bi so I really didn't think anything of it. After they broke up he told her he wanted gender reassignment. They put him on hormones and required two years of therapy, but he (now she) had the surgery last summer is now officially a post-op female. It's remarkable how much happier and more outgoing she is now.

musicalsunlight · February 2012

I mean, psychological research can't use children for the same goals, so I think it sucks that parents do it.

specialk84 · February 2012

Sarah Palin had potential, but I think she set female politicans back. Rather than being thought of as a viable candidate, she was a ridiculous caricature, giving the electorate the impression that women are too stupid and vain to be taken seriously.

SEWF · February 2012

My ex-boyfriend is a crossdresser now. I never had any inclination when we were dating that he was interested in it. But I recently saw pictures of him on facebook dressed as a woman, and he looked great and happy. It shocked me at first, but I'm happy for him.

specialk84 · February 2012

Bay, my church is really supportive of the GLBT community. To my knowledge, there are eleven transgendered members, It was a big deal when one guy had the "F" on his drivers license changed to an "M."

One of my very dear friends is a lesbian. I found out later that her GF was afraid to attend my church wedding, since no church had ever been kind to her. She was blown away, and actually teared up a little.

baystateapple · February 2012

Special, that makes me want to tear up.

specialk84 · February 2012

I heard that she went down the hall to use the restroom, and passed the bulletin board with photos of our congregation marching in the Gay Pride parade, wearing shirts that said, "Standing on the side of love."

It did make me tear up when my friend told me about it.

midgetthemighty · February 2012

My grandma still works at 80 years old. She didn't go to college, but she did graduate high school. My grandpa only made it to somewhere around the 4th or 5th grade.

Neither my mom nor dad received more than an associates and my mom has always made more money than my dad. She's been with the same company for around 30 years.

Princess stuff, I don't mind at all. It's all in the way the children view the princess things or any other stereotypical toy. We're going to let our kids play with whatever they want and raise them to believe they can be and do whatever they want with their lives.

Those shirts you're finding Musu, are ridiculous. No way.

adamar15 · February 2012

My grandma was very old school. I'm not sure if she went to college, but she definitely didn't work when she was married to my pop pop. She ran cocktail hour

My mom chose a very female-oriented career, but she didn't choose it because she's a woman and that's all she can do. She made the choice to be go to midwifery school after being at her best friend's son's birth. She originally wanted to be a vet, but she couldn't hack organic chemistry

She has always been the bread-winner in the house, and she's a pretty damn independent and strong woman. I guess I never really thought that there was something I couldn't do, because of how strong she is. She always encouraged me to do what I wanted to do (and still does). My dad is actually the one who stayed home and "wasted" his degree.

cashkitty · February 2012

My dad was disapointed that I wanted to pursue a teaching career. He said I was too smart to "waste" my talents. He never got past middle school, while my mom is finishing up her doctorate in nursing.
Interestingly enough, my FMIL is much more concerned that I finish up school and pursue graduate level degrees. She wants my FI to work in a factory.

Honestly, the women in my family were always the ones who I felt like had the greatest "voice" and my mother makes more money than my dad and step dad combined. It wasn't really until I took a WGS class my freshman year that I began to appreciate that not everyone grew up that way.

mica178 · February 2012

I have no problem with princess stuff inherently, although I think it's funny that parents try to promote their daughters to be princesses rather than something a little more real. Little boys can dress up as real professions, but other than the 100-odd real princesses in the world, most little girls will grow up to be something other than royalty.

I grew up in SF, so my parents took a more liberal approach to my upbringing. As a little girl, I preferred toy guns and Transformers to Barbies or My Little Pony. I still liked the color pink, but traditionally boys' toys were so much more fun. My parents told me to find my own sport rather than become a cheerleader (of course there's athleticism in cheerleading, but the point was that I should do a sport where people came to cheer for me rather than make my sport cheering for other people). And my parents always told me to have my own profession and not depend on a man for my financial security.

I think it's lovely that medical schools are now 50% female.

There are differences between the sexes, and there's no changing biology, so some things will never be fair. But I love that there are opportunities that never existed before for women. I love that nowadays, women don't have to pretend that they are men with breasts to make it in the world -- they can keep on being women who happen to have jobs that only men traditionally held 40 years ago.

I'm rambling. Sorry. :P

Kate61487 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]It's interesting. In my family, the women are very educated. Back in college, I received a letter from my grandmother (just a little bit of mail kind of letter), and she discussed the fact that she had dated a guy from Purdue back when she was in college at Indiana University. I mentioned this to my roommate, who was very surprised that my grandmother had gone to college. Yes, not only did my grandmother go to college in the late 40s / early 50s, but my great grandmother went to teaching college back in the 20s. So going to college was never a big deal for the women in my family. Even now, I'm in a male dominated field (engineering), and no one here even bats an eye at the women in our office. I don't know if it's the fact that we have a very high women to men ratio at our company or what. One day I was sitting in a meeting with some clients. I looked around the room and realized that out of the 6 people in the room, I was the only one who was a native English speaker. It was only THEN that I also realized that I was the only woman. I think that says a lot about where society is today.
Posted by MattsPenguin[/QUOTE]

I haven't read all the responses (so sorry if you guys have gone a totally different direction, haha) But MP: i2i. Grandma went to college - she was a teacher all while her kids were growing up and did make it into a career as she was the director of religious education (CCD) for most of my childhood. Mom got her masters - she was raised to believe she could do anything and was going to be a doctor until she realized that blood and vomit make her nauseous, haha. and now, in the male dominated field of engineering (which my entire family fully supported and encouraged) I have never felt like I'm treated differently (and rarely notice the ratio until someone else points it out).

Ok, that last bit's not completely true. the other day my boss told me how project runway inspired him to give a theme his team members presentations, like a collection. 99% sure he wouldn't have shared that with me if I was guy, haha.

MattsPenguin · February 2012

Kate, as I was thinking about this issue, I couldn't help but think about how most of my close friends are female engineers. Heck, we were in an engineering sorority!
When you went there, did Purdue still offer ENG 194 (the women in engineering lecture/small group)? That's where I met one of my best friends, who, it turned out, lived two doors down from me in Earhart.

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