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Another Question About Kids...

So I've lurked and seen a bunch of questions about issues with inviting kids, making exceptions, etc. but I really need help with my particular situation.

So FI and I had decided we didn't want small children at the wedding because we don't want parents to have to sit with their kids all night and not be able to enjoy themselves fully.  And we think that under a certain age there's no reason for small children to be there.  So that was that.

FI's parents are throwing us an engagement party in June and his mom specifically said no children.  She doesn't want them running around the house when there will already be a good amount of people there and she just wants people to relax and enjoy themselves.  So she asked me to send the evite on their behalf and indicate there would be no children.  Looking back, maybe we just should have spread the word by mouth but too late for that now. I think his mom did inform their family members with children beforehand any way.

So I included friends and family on the invitation, even if they are long distance and I'm sure they can't make it to California for the party.  I wanted to just make sure everyone knew they are welcome and we are thinking of them even though they can't be there.  So I included my good friend from grad school who lives in Hawaii now with her husband and almost 3-year-old.  I haven't seen her since we graduated in 2008 but she is still a very good friend.

Once she got the evite she texted me to say she loves that I included her and thinks it's hilarious we said "no children."  Then she goes on to ask me how the planning for the wedding is going, etc and it's all good. She tells me how badly she would love to come to the wedding (it will be in NJ so obviously would be a long trip from Hawaii) and hopes she will be able to come. I told her I would be so happy to have her there. Then she said "but I have to bring my child if I come." 

So do I make an exception for her? I mean it is a very long way for her to travel to go to my wedding and she is a stay at home mom so I could see how difficult it would be to leave her with someone for that big of a trip.  Also, they are not originally from Hawaii so it's not like they have relatives local that they could leave their daughter with.  And I really wouldn't want it to prevent her from being there since I haven't seen her since 08 and I would be so incredibly happy to have her there.  But then of course I have to deal with the other people who have children. 

But the more I think about it, I'm wondering if we should just scratch the no kids rule for the wedding.  Most of the young children (babies/toddlers) are on FI's side and he said they will most likely not be attending the wedding due to it being across the country (his brother was married in Philadelphia in 07 and none of his cousins who have children came from CA).  On my family's side the youngest child is 10.  Then we have 2 sets of couple friends who will have very young children.  One couple will have a 2ish-year-old and then one couple just got pregnant so their child will be under 1-year-old at the time of the wedding.  They both live in CA so I could see it being an issue for them if they can't bring the child to NJ.  So all in all, we're talking about 3 young children most likely.  Should we just let people bring their kids since a lot of people will need to travel out of state and it could be really difficult on them? Or should I make an exception for my Hawaii friend? I also thought I could have her as a flower girl and then I don't think it would be weird to have her at the reception. My FI pretty much said "too bad" about it but I don't want to exclude good friends because of that. I'm just stuck.

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Re: Another Question About Kids...

  • THis is an entirely personal decision at this point. You haven't sent out invitations, so you an adjust  your guest list/count accordingly if you choose to include the kids. 
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  • See if you can set up a babysitter for her.  That way she can make the trip with her child but wouldn't need to break your no kid rule.  And, are you posititve she could 100% make it?  There is no point in changing everything a someone you aren't even sure can make it
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    [QUOTE]See if you can set up a babysitter for her.  That way she can make the trip with her child but wouldn't need to break your no kid rule.  And, are you posititve she could 100% make it?  There is no point in changing everything a someone you aren't even sure can make it
    Posted by UKgal321[/QUOTE]

    <div>The babysitter thing can work as long as it's someone OP knows personally and trusts completely. Even then the guest may not feel comfortable leaving her child with some random person though.</div>
  • bongebonge member
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    My advice is to talk to your fiance & see what he has to say. If you think children won't get in your way then i don't know why you wouldn't go for it. More people can come if they don't have to get babysitters. With that being said you do not have to have children, but you have to deem what you want most, her there or no children? That is what it boils down too. I think if you let her bring her child so she can come then you should let all. 

    We are having children so that we don't have to worry about it. Plus with our families children are a big part. We know our 2nd & 3rd cousins, some of them very well. I know it is not the norm as from what i see around here but it will work great for us. i can't see any of them throwing fits at the ceremony, they never did for anyone else. 
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  • avolker1avolker1 member
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    I don't think she is the type of person who would leave her daughter with a babysitter she doesn't know, even if it was someone I personally picked and trust.  I think it's especially true since she is with her daughter all the time and hasn't had to leave her much.  I am not 100% sure she can come, just like any other guest but in general I'm second-guessing the no kid rule because it's starting to seem a little silly and unnecessary given that there wouldn't even be that many kids there if we allowed everyone to bring them.  And since we will have many out of state guests, not just her, I don't want to make it extra difficult for those with kids.  If we were doing a local wedding with all local guests I would say no kids but with our situation it's different.  And I really know nothing about babies, so with the other woman who will have a child that is less than 1 year old, would she even be able to leave him/her and travel? I'm thinking that would be difficult for her as well.
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    [QUOTE]Wow that's a long post.  CN?
    Posted by Holly4212011[/QUOTE]

    Sorry I tend to get carried away with writing.  Good friend lives in Hawaii, wedding in NJ, she says she can't come without her 3-year-old but FI had discussed having no kids allowed.  Do I make an exception, or just scratch the no kids rule altogether since we wouldn't have many guests with kids any way?
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    [QUOTE]So I've lurked and seen a bunch of questions about issues with inviting kids, making exceptions, etc. but I really need help with my particular situation. So FI and I had decided we didn't want small children at the wedding because <strong>we don't want parents to have to sit with their kids all night and not be able to enjoy themselves fully</strong>.  And we think that under a certain age there's no reason for small children to be there.  So that was that. FI's parents are throwing us an engagement party in June and his mom specifically said no children.  She doesn't want them running around the house when there will already be a good amount of people there and she just wants people to relax and enjoy themselves.  So she asked me to send the evite on their behalf and indicate there would be no children.  Looking back, maybe we just should have spread the word by mouth but too late for that now. I think his mom did inform their family members with children beforehand any way. So I included friends and family on the invitation, even if they are long distance and I'm sure they can't make it to California for the party.  I wanted to just make sure everyone knew they are welcome and we are thinking of them even though they can't be there.  So I included my good friend from grad school who lives in Hawaii now with her husband and almost 3-year-old.  I haven't seen her since we graduated in 2008 but she is still a very good friend. Once she got the evite she texted me to say she loves that I included her and thinks it's hilarious we said "no children."  Then she goes on to ask me how the planning for the wedding is going, etc and it's all good. She tells me how badly she would love to come to the wedding (it will be in NJ so obviously would be a long trip from Hawaii) and hopes she will be able to come. I told her I would be so happy to have her there. Then she said "but I have to bring my child if I come."  So do I make an exception for her? I mean it is a very long way for her to travel to go to my wedding and she is a stay at home mom so I could see how difficult it would be to leave her with someone for that big of a trip.  Also, they are not originally from Hawaii so it's not like they have relatives local that they could leave their daughter with.  And I really wouldn't want it to prevent her from being there since I haven't seen her since 08 and I would be so incredibly happy to have her there.  But then of course I have to deal with the other people who have children.  But the more I think about it, I'm wondering if we should just scratch the no kids rule for the wedding.  Most of the young children (babies/toddlers) are on FI's side and he said they will most likely not be attending the wedding due to it being across the country (his brother was married in Philadelphia in 07 and none of his cousins who have children came from CA).  On my family's side the youngest child is 10.  Then we have 2 sets of couple friends who will have very young children.  One couple will have a 2ish-year-old and then one couple just got pregnant so their child will be under 1-year-old at the time of the wedding.  They both live in CA so I could see it being an issue for them if they can't bring the child to NJ.  So all in all, we're talking about 3 young children most likely.  Should we just let people bring their kids since a lot of people will need to travel out of state and it could be really difficult on them? Or should I make an exception for my Hawaii friend? I also thought I could have her as a flower girl and then I don't think it would be weird to have her at the reception. My FI pretty much said "too bad" about it but I don't want to exclude good friends because of that. I'm just stuck.
    Posted by avolker1[/QUOTE]


    Parents CAN (and amazing do!) enjoy themselves fully with their kids around.  You aren't making this rule because of them.  It is because YOU do not want kids there.  it is for YOUR enjoyment.

    That's fine of course...but for the love of all things holy, don't pull that BS sh!t and say you're doing it for their sakes.
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  • putting "no children" on an invitation is really rude; so if you do decide to stick with your rule DON"T write that on your invitations.  You just address them to the people invited, i.e. "Mr and Mrs Jones" instead of "The Jones Family".  This also works in your favor if you do make exceptions.  If you write "no children" on an invitation then it's pretty obvious you made an exception, whereas if you just didn't invite so-and-so's kids they might assume you did family-only or out-of-town-only or some other kid rule.

    As for whether to change the rule / make the exception that's completely up to you.  If you don't want kids there that's fine, don't invite them.  If this friend is able to make the trip you can work with her to find a babysitter.  But I really hate when people say they don't want kids at their wedding because they "want the parents to have fun and not be stuck sitting with their kids".  News flash - most people with kids LIKE their children.  They don't get mopey about having to watch them b/c they are their kids.  and if they DO want a child free evening they are perfectly capable of finding a sitter; telling them they can bring their children does not mean they have to. 
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    [QUOTE]My advice is to talk to your fiance & see what he has to say. If you think children won't get in your way then i don't know why you wouldn't go for it. More people can come if they don't have to get babysitters. With that being said you do not have to have children, but you have to deem what you want most, her there or no children? That is what it boils down too. I think if you let her bring her child so she can come then you should let all.  We are having children so that we don't have to worry about it. Plus with our families children are a big part. We know our 2nd & 3rd cousins, some of them very well. I know it is not the norm as from what i see around here but it will work great for us. i can't see any of them throwing fits at the ceremony, they never did for anyone else. 
    Posted by bonge[/QUOTE]

    Thanks I think this makes sense.  At first we just both agreed right away there would be no kids but I don't think we fully thought it through.  I don't know FI's cousins' kids well at all but I'm sure they wouldn't do anything crazy, and like I said it's highly unlikely those cousins will even be there.  And I don't imagine any of the other kids would cause a problem either.  I think if it were my family and I had cousins with children they would be pissed if I said no children, because like you my family includes everyone no matter what age.
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  • Definitely agree it was a bad idea to put "no children" on the E-party evite but like I said it's too late now. 

    And yes to the couple posters above who said that it is US who don't want kids there, they are right and I shouldn't assume that people can't enjoy themselves with their kids present.  I guess I was imagining a couple who has a baby or 1-year-old will have to sit with them all night, which is totally fine if that is what they want to do or need to do. 

    I think I do want to scratch the no-kid rule after really thinking about it more.  Now I just have to talk to FI...
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  • Just wanted to pipe in that I'm in a similar situation.  We weren't planning on having young  kids at the wedding either, and most of our family that have young kids are local, so they presumably will leave them w/ other family or sitters for the night.  But I have a friend who recently moved to TX, and has a child who will just over a year at the time of our wedding.  I was actually IN her wedding, but we've since gotten less close, so she's not in mine, but her and her husband are definitley invited, and are almost definitely coming.  I feel funny telling her that she can't bring her son to a wedding she's traveling halfway across the country to go to, so I'm still deciding what to do.   She does have some other friends that still live here, so she may be able leave him w/ one of them?  I know it's not technically my problem, but I'm still worrying about it. 
  • We hired a baby sitter to be onsite for our weddding day.  Specfically for this reason, out of town guest(which we will have a bunch).  So that way the parent can step away from the reception to go check on their child,  Those that we have offered it to are quite receptive and appreciative. 
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  • I am in a similar sitch and I have a daughter who will be 23 months at our wedding.  She is our flower girl but then our sitter is coming for her after the ceremony/beginning of the reception and staying with her overnight at our house (she has been our sitter since our daughter was 6months old).  We also have another guest who is bringing their son with them and our sitter is also going to watch him.  Just do what works for you.  If we invited all the children on both sides to the wedding - no joke - it would add about 75 extra people to our guest list.  IMO - weddings are for adults.
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  • It sounds like you've changed your mind to invite kids, which is fine.  I don't think you need to feel guilty though if you don't want to invite them.  We didn't invite kids to our wedding.  We're in our early 30s and most of our friends have young kids.  No one complained as far as we know that they couldn't bring their kids.  A few of our friends actually thanked us and said they were happy to have a kid free evening.  So yes, while parents obviously love their kids, they do sometimes appreciate time alone.  
  • avolker1avolker1 member
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    I like the idea of having a babysitter on-site so people would be more comfortable if we had no kids.  I know for sure my friend would be because she gets very worried about things.  Wow, 75 is a lot of kids!! I guess many of my cousins and I are around the same age though, so when family members got married when I was a kid I guess there were a lot of us.  Our generation hasn't started procreating yet though!
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    [QUOTE]It sounds like you've changed your mind to invite kids, which is fine.  I don't think you need to feel guilty though if you don't want to invite them.  We didn't invite kids to our wedding.  We're in our early 30s and most of our friends have young kids.  No one complained as far as we know that they couldn't bring their kids.  A few of our friends actually thanked us and said they were happy to have a kid free evening.  So yes, while parents obviously love their kids, they do sometimes appreciate time alone.  
    Posted by MrsGandthebeag[/QUOTE]

    Yea it really is hard not to feel guilty with out of town guests.  I already feel guilty having an out of town wedding (well from the point of view of FI's family) so every extra thing I always think will this inconvenience people? And thank you for backing me up on the kids-free evening.  I did not mean to suggest that parents will have an awful night if their kids are with them at the wedding but like your friends I could see some people relaxing a little more and possibly enjoying an adult-only evening.  And I will admit it is also out of selfishness on our part not particulary wanting a lot of young kids around.
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  • As for people enjoying themselves with their kids there......some people figure that out for themselves!  I want my friend's 2yo boys as ring bearers, and my friend said sure, but they will be going home to a sitter before the reception as she really would like to enjoy the party without having to worry about going home for their bedtime.   Lol.
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    [QUOTE]As for people enjoying themselves with their kids there......some people figure that out for themselves!  I want my friend's 2yo boys as ring bearers, and my friend said sure, but they will be going home to a sitter before the reception as she really would like to enjoy the party without having to worry about going home for their bedtime.   Lol.
    Posted by vantica[/QUOTE]

    Yes that's true about the bed time.  I know that with my FI's nephews that happens with their parents at things like weddings.  They also had a hard time hitting the dance floor because they didn't want to leave their sons at the table obviously.  So to each their own.
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