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jasmineh7777 · August 2009

P.S. There is a graphic novel called "Mous" that discusses exactly what you're talking about AE.Worth a read, regardless of one's opinion on moose, its plural, possessive, or future tense. (And that was a lame english joke-once again possibly lost through use of text.)

jessjo04 · August 2009

Ok AE, you have the worst life eva! Forget people who have seen their parents murdered, or lost family because of other victims of violence. You are SPECIAL beause its the holocaust. Get off your high horse.

mrsAE · August 2009

My grandfather, grandmother, seven of eleven aunts and uncles, great grandparents, aunts, and uncles, my grandmother was a documented victim of Mengele in Birnkau- he tortuted young women and mutilated them, all of my maternal family except for my grandparents(my real grandfather committed suicide because of PTSD)- over seventy people that we were able to count. My husband's great, great grandfather was the head Rabbi in Lublin, they killed him and it is now his grave is a holy destination for Ultra Orthodox Jews, my husband's family both side, also lost most of their family. Of course there are some we would have never met but if we count who would still be alive, at least fifty people, especially because some were children when they were killed. Go ahead, P2, tell me your family has lost more than this because of a similar situation.

jessjo04 · August 2009

ZOMG. AE you super win the tragedy card. How many millions were killed in the Holocaust? But somehow you are the biggest victim. You have it sooo much worse than everyone.

pumpkinpumpkin · August 2009

You will never understand what it was like growing up around the dysfunction in your family because of the things they have seen, or never really knew your parent because their PTSD was so severe, they never spoke about themselves.You really can't go around assuming that no one else's families were affected. Seriously. I didn't know my Gigi growing up...his PTSD was so severe that I saw him shoot at a kid making noise in the street...and then sit in prison until he was declared mentally unfit to stand trial for attempted murder. Then to be put up in the loony bin. My Baba has a bullet in her hip to this day. Not to mention all of the other horrible things my family encountered. It's not a fuucking contest you wingy biitch. SERIOUSLY. laladypoet - here's a link:http://talk.theknot.com/BOARDS/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=60047709

NuggetBrain · August 2009

Exactly, because you are not Jewish or a Gypsy, or a homosexual who was taken by the Nazis.Uh, unless you're way older than we thought, you aren't a Jew or Gypsy or homosexual who was taken by the Nazi's either.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

E, nobody in that thread said that he didn't deserve to be punished, but they sure as hell said that he had a right to due process. You took it to mean that they (we, whatever) were Nazi sympathizers. Your problem is that you only see what you want to see, and twist things as you want them.No one can ever understand the pain and horror unless they've been through it also, but you shouldn't let it twist you and control you like that. All it does is let them win.

jessjo04 · August 2009

See, P2, youre wrong. It is a competition. I crown AE the winner. Maybe she'll give up on it now.

mrsAE · August 2009

Jesjo and P2, this isn't a contest and I have not said I have the most issues because of the Holocaust. None of you will understand the loss I had or the loss Jewish people as a whole had. The pain of it is completely unbearable, I really have no explanation for it because you will never understand what you haven't felt. I have only met one woman, from Darfur who lost a lot of family, we cried together. She had so much pain and is one of the few non Jewish people I have met that understands and has gone through the same.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

Nugget, I think this is where you are supposed to jump in with your family history too, and how it's destroyed your family to have been stolen from Africa and forced into slavery. (and I hope that doesn't come off as flippant, I just respect that you are open about yourself and talk about your ethnicity in the manner that you do)

jessjo04 · August 2009

Right, I dont understand pain because I'm not Jewish. Got it.

mrsAE · August 2009

Nugget, my father was a survivor, he was in his fifties when I was born. There are many support groups for first generation children of survivors because of the dysfunction it created in families. Of course I wasn't alive then but the loss of another Jew, even if not my own family is traumatic enough.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

Guys, didn't you know that people of the Jewish faith are linked by their auras, and when one dies, they feel the pain all throughout Earth. Just like Obiwan felt the disintegration of Alderaan.

NuggetBrain · August 2009

Nugget, I think this is where you are supposed to jump in with your family history too, and how it's destroyed your family to have been stolen from Africa and forced into slavery. (and I hope that doesn't come off as flippant, I just respect that you are open about yourself and talk about your ethnicity in the manner that you do)Seriously, I was just about to go there. I'm pretty sure that I've had WAY more family members affected by slavery and racially motivated crimes than you had affected by the Holocaust. WAY MORE. But it's disgusting and pathetic to try and sit there, and compare the two. And for me to say that you just "don't understand" because you're not black, or because you didn't have to deal with being called a n*gger on your first day of high school, or having a guy tell you he doesn't date black chicks, or have to comfort your little brother when he's crying because some jackass told him n*ggers shouldn't play hockey. Nobody has to go through that kind of sh*t to know that it's horrible, it shouldn't have happened, and it's wrong. This isn't a f*cking competition.

pumpkinpumpkin · August 2009

E, I really understand that you and your family suffered great losses, and that it still affects your life. What I don't understand is how you make it sound like you're the only person who was affected, and that none of us know what it's like to have family members with PTSD, or that none of us have lost as many family members as you. You can't assume that stuff. I could go on with my family's WWII horror stories. But, it's not a competition. But I will say this - you are not the only person who suffered/is suffering. The pain is the same, regardless of the number.

jasmineh7777 · August 2009

Wow- quite the thread. I wasn't here six months ago for that. Wow.

mrsAE · August 2009

Amaro, seriously, go fuuck yourself. We are taught in Judaism that we are together as a whole. The concept is at least a six month Talmudic discussion that no one will have the time or patience for. The definition of Israel is not a country but it is b'nai Yisroel, people of Israel. They almost changed the name of the country because of the error in naming it. I really have no way of explaining it unless you have a Torah and Talmud education.

alixzafiris · August 2009

Okay, quite frankly, the holocaust didn't only affect Jewish people and there are others who maybe get what your family went through, whether because of that genocide or from other completely unrelated issues that were just as traumatic in their own way. You can't be the judge on how other people handle their issues, and whether or not their issue was psychologically-damaging on a scale that is on par with your own. That's ignorant.

jessjo04 · August 2009

I'm glad we can finally talk about this without fear of being called hateful. AE has played the Jewish card for way too long. I have nothing against Jewish people, but AEs tragedy card is worn out from being overplayed.

jessjo04 · August 2009

I really have no way of explaining it unless you have a Torah and Talmud education.Wow youve had a harder life than everyone else AND you are smarter than everyone else. Yay you!

mrsAE · August 2009

Nugget, no one is trying to compare the two. I would not go as far as saying who was affected more by racism or slavery, that is a stretch. I have been affected by Antisemitism by a former manager and have had other anti-Semitic issues. You could argue slavery that may have affected your ancestors, so could I. That was the basis for the Exodus.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

P2, I guess I don't qualify either because no one in my family actually died. I mean, when I was 4 my dad held all of us in the house with a gun and threatened to kill us all and himself, but whatevs. That doesn't mean I understand pain!People who wallow in pain never understand the true glory that life is. You are a sad, sad person E. And frankly, pathetic to think that you're more special than anyone else because of your family's history. You use it as a reason to feel entitled to your hatred and your craziness when really, that's you doing it to yourself.

laladypoet · August 2009

ZOMG. AE you super win the tragedy carddude. that was callous as hell.

mrsAE · August 2009

Wow youve had a harder life than everyone else AND you are smarter than everyone else. Yay you! You are fuucking nuts, seriously. Obviously if you aren't Jewish or have an interest in theology, you wouldn't know. Just like I don't know much about the new testament except for what I learned in comparative religions.

crfische · August 2009

I truly do feel badly for anyone who has suffered loss from any sort of crime due to religious, race, belief system, etc. It's heart breaking. I think it's one of those things, though, that you can never really explain to people or feel validated for whever ANYTHING crappy happens to anyone, especially when it is so painful for the person living it because no matter how much you try to explain it, no one is fully going to know anyone's pain and you're never going to feel like people fully understand.I feel this way about a lot of things. It wasn't like holocaust bad, obviously, but it was bad to me, relatively speaking.

SwedishChick2011 · August 2009

OK, I'm not Jewish, but it doesn't take a genius to understand that a Jewish person would be very upset about the Holocaust. I mean, 6 million Jews were murdered, and in MrsAE's case, some of them were relatives. That's a big deal. If 6 million of my people were murdered and some of them were my relatives, I'd be pretty effed up about it.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

Oh! That's right! I'm a useless idiot in your book. So sorry madam for having the temerity to challenge your authority!You know jack shiit about me, about my life, about my education or about what I've done in my off time. You know nothing. So go ahead and call yourself superior, I'll stand over here and call you an arrogant waste of space.

iugurl101 · August 2009

The Holocaust was a horrible tragedy. But just because you had a lot of family die does not mean everyone should pity you for having the worst life ever. I know people who were forced WATCH their family die (at camps or even recently murdered in their own homes). It is sad that so many in your family died, but imagine if you were there to see it! It would be much worse. So shut up about how bad you have it. I am sure there are people here who have it worse than you.