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AllAboutTheBenjamin · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : When I first read the article (before I read they were fraternal, not identical) I thought it was pretty narcissistic, since you'd basically be having sex with someone who looks exactly like you.
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]

But they are fraternal twins... so there's that.

ETA - lol, sorry. I totally skimmed your post.

Blueyed228 · February 2012

But Mara you took issue with people saying its weird, not people saying its wrong. You said we were pearl clutchy because it weirded us out. Thats different.

sb9411 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I know I'm going to sound all hippie doo "fight the corporations man" right now, but it's only out of the ordinary because it's so ingrained in our society that it is wrong. <strong>Just like for a long time it was (and in some cases still is) very much believed that being gay was wrong or that interracial relationships were wrong.</strong> Also, the towel method whatthefuckeveritscalled is gross because it's unsanitary waste from your body.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

I don't think you can compare this situation to being gay or interracial relationships because people deem or have deemed them "wrong"--- there are multi-tiered psychological levels in this situation that challenge the safety and itnimacy of the nuclear family as we know it.

Celles · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I don't think you can compare this situation to being gay or interracial relationships because people deem or have deemed them "wrong"--- <strong>there are multi-tiered psychological levels in this situation that challenge the safety and itnimacy of the nuclear family as we know it.
</strong>Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

What does this even mean?

[Deleted User] · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I think its totally natural for people to have an aversion to twins having sex with each other.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

This. I honestly don't understand how someone could not be repulsed by it.

lbarr088 · February 2012

Weird =/= wrong IMO. This isn't an argument for right vs wrong. If something is weird it isn't necessarily wrong.

maratea · February 2012

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[QUOTE]But Mara you took issue with people saying its weird, not people saying its wrong. You said we were pearl clutchy because it weirded us out. Thats different.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
To me, in this case, weird = wrong. But obviously it doesn't mean that to everyone. However, I'm not going to argue with people over semantics. Because weren't people just bitching a while ago that every AYG turns into a debate on semantics?

Blueyed228 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : To me, in this case, weird = wrong. But obviously it doesn't mean that to everyone. However, I'm not going to argue with people over semantics. Because weren't people just bitching a while ago that every AYG turns into a debate on semantics?
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

I dont think this is a semantics fight.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : What does this even mean?
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

I think she means that it's a completely different ballgame. It's not the same as when someone brings home someone of a different race, or of the same sex. It's "Mom, Dad, *brother* and I are in love and together." That would be completely life changing if that happened in my family, and it would probably make everyone look back upon their entire lives differently.

maratea · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I don't think you can compare this situation to being gay or interracial relationships because people deem or have deemed them "wrong"--- there are multi-tiered psychological levels in this situation that challenge the safety and itnimacy of<strong> the nuclear family</strong> as we know it.
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]
This phrase pisses me off so much. What is a nuclear family in this day and age? There are so many families now with single parents, or two dads or two moms. How can you even get into the safety and intimacy of nuclear family when you can't even define it. A nuclear family is not just a father, mother and children because there are many other types of families out there.

allisong23 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]Also- i dont get how <strong>Hitler</strong> is weird, but fvcking your twin brother isnt. I am confused.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for you.

Blueyed228 · February 2012

Plus incest is wrong, at least in the eyes of the law, since its illegal and all. If the argument is moral vs immoral, then fine.

Celles · February 2012

To clarify, and speaking only for myself: I think it's weird that people think it's wrong, but I don't think it's wrong that people think it's weird.

cheeseandrice · February 2012

I think it's weird when a 19 year old is attracted to a 90 year old. That doesn't mean I think it should be illegal.

I'm on Blue's side here. Anyone who says they honestly wouldn't be weirded out by their siblings hooking up is full of crap. Sorry. And, for me... it had nothing to do with the fact that it was two guys. It was the fact that it was two brothers. A male/female set of twins fuucking would be just as weird.

sb9411 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : What does this even mean?
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

It means that in our society, and in many societies across the world, it would be looked at as completely inappropriate and shocking for siblings to be in a sexual relationship, because they were raised together, as a family unit that preferably included sharing trust, love, and intimacy that doesn't include fucking.
I stopped to think that maybe I was being dramatic but I don't think that I was being. If it was morally acceptable for people to be in sexual relationships with family member, I think our society would be even more of a psychologically and unstable environment than it is now.
We have the Oedipus and Electra complexes that Freud references in much of his work, but there is a difference between action and thought (if you believe that Freud's theories are correct).
Even Oedipus didn't KNOW that he was in a relationship with his mother... and when he did he gauged out his eyes and was banished.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : This phrase pisses me off so much. What is a nuclear family in this day and age? There are so many families now with single parents, or two dads or two moms. How can you even get into the safety and intimacy of nuclear family when you can't even define it. A nuclear family is not just a father, mother and children because there are many other types of families out there.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

That's not what sb said, mara.

I think technically your nuclear family is whoever you live with at home.

[Deleted User] · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : Thanks Mica, now I need to clean my computer screen off. Note to self, do not drink while reading responses in AYG.
Posted by ski2play[/QUOTE]

I flame you for laughing at that lame joke.

sb9411 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : <strong>This phrase pisses me off so much. What is a nuclear family in this day and age? </strong>There are so many families now with single parents, or two dads or two moms. How can you even get into the safety and intimacy of nuclear family when you can't even define it. A nuclear family is not just a father, mother and children because there are many other types of families out there.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Sorry it pisses you off. I was using nuclear family to reference any which one of those options you gave. A family unit, be it just a mother and a child, father and his child, mother & mother and their child, transgendered parents and their two children, aunt and her "child"... whatever family unit you consider to be the core and household in that instance.

lbarr088 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I disagree I think incest is wrong and thinking it is ok IMO is weird.
Posted by Dot Dash[/QUOTE]

<div>Yes. However, the initial argument was about why we are all pearl-clutchy for thinking it was WEIRD. </div><div>
</div><div> I can think that something is weird but not necessarily wrong. For example, I think people that get their tongues cut to look like a snakes tongue are WEIRD, however they aren't wrong. Mara/Celles may not find the whole incest thing wrong but I guess I can't understand why it's not "normal" for people to react and think that it's WEIRD. I don't know... I'm not very good with my words today.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: The tongue thing was just an awful example. </div>

chelseamb11 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I disagree I think incest is wrong and thinking it is ok IMO is weird.
Posted by Dot Dash[/QUOTE]

That's not what she's saying though. She's saying that you don't have to find something weird to find it wrong and vice versa.

I think streaking down the street with just a guitar while singing Kumbaya is weird.. that doesn't mean I actually find it wrong.

sb9411 · February 2012

AATB, I appreciate that you are getting what I'm saying. I didn't think that I was leaving this many open ends to question where I stand or what I'm trying to get across!

Ironically edited for clarity.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · February 2012

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[QUOTE]AATB, I appreciate that you are getting what I'm saying. I didn't think that I was leaving this many open ends to question where I stand or what I'm trying to get across! Ironically edited for clarity.
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

I didn't think so either!

mehgank · February 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_ayg-26?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:52a958fd-b513-4ca6-b71f-cd1a9c49d5d9Post:39ed046f-a137-416e-bd96-2ee56f18d1e5">Re: AYG</a>:
[QUOTE]To clarify, and speaking only for myself: I think it's weird that people think it's wrong, but I don't think it's wrong that people think it's weird.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

This goes for me, as well.

NuggetBrain · February 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_ayg-26?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:52a958fd-b513-4ca6-b71f-cd1a9c49d5d9Post:c08f7123-d273-4d9b-883e-6ce3966ea9f1">Re: AYG</a>:
[QUOTE]I flame everyone in this thread who was all pearl clutchy and "That's so weird". <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_i-think-my-eyebrows-flew-off-my-face">http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_i-think-my-eyebrows-flew-off-my-face</a> Why is it anyone else's business who these guys want to love and be with? <strong>And why is it weird? Because our society tells you it's wrong?
</strong>Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Uh, no. It's wierd because imagining myself bumping uglies with my brother is wierd. Just like I think painting with menstrual blood is wierd. People are entitled to think things are wierd.

Also, because there's pretty much no way their family is going to take this well. Would YOUR parents take it well if you were all "Hey, I'm doing my sister. Hope you don't mind!"

lbarr088 · February 2012

Chels, thanks for the "clarification." My mind is working half assed today so getting any point across to anybody is just not in the cards.

chelseamb11 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I agree but if you are in fact fuucking your twin in the street while playing a guitar and singing Kumbaya you have crossed into wrong territory for me.
Posted by Dot Dash[/QUOTE]

Which is fine. You have every right to find anything you want to be "wrong". I was jus tpointing out that wrong=/=weird.

Celles · February 2012

So, to summarize:

Mara: "Incest is wrong only because society says it's wrong."

sb: "Incest is wrong because society says it's wrong!"

chelseamb11 · February 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_ayg-26?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:52a958fd-b513-4ca6-b71f-cd1a9c49d5d9Post:3ef955a8-0760-40a4-a98c-a4c8653ef7b4">Re: AYG</a>:
[QUOTE]Chels, thanks for the "clarification." My mind is working half assed today so getting any point across to anybody is just not in the cards.
Posted by lbarr088[/QUOTE]

Your point was actually very clear so no worries :)

Blueyed228 · February 2012

Chels- I like your new sig pic. I have to admit the old one wasnt my fav. Your FI's "O" face in the old one was making me giggle everytime I saw it, lol.

sb9411 · February 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_ayg-26?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:52a958fd-b513-4ca6-b71f-cd1a9c49d5d9Post:fe87b664-e749-49f4-a7ea-0b39075d51b8">Re: AYG</a>:
[QUOTE]So, to summarize: Mara: "Incest is wrong only because society says it's wrong." <strong>sb: "Incest is wrong because society says it's wrong!"</strong> :|
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

I actually think that I was going on a grander level of "incest is wrong on a more human/emotional/familial/psychological level", but if you take all that I said and sum it up like that, there's not much else I can say about that.

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