Nobel Peace Prize, anyone?

SarahSmile23 · October 2009

As the day progesses, I am actually feeling badly for Obama. It isn't his fault, and this whole situation has become a worldwide joke.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece

betrothed123 · October 2009

Sarah,Thanks for sharing that article. It was interesting. I do agree that Obama should not be taking any heat for this decision because it honestly had nothing to do with him. It was a bad decision on the part of the committee, and it sucks for him that he's the one caught in the middle of it.

SarahSmile23 · October 2009

i thought it was a foregone conclusion that Sima Samar would win.

aMrsin09 · October 2009

Can he refuse to accept the award? Has anyone ever refused to accept a Nobel Prize?

SarahSmile23 · October 2009

I'm not sure about that. At this point, maybe he should graciously accept and donate the money to one of the other nominees to help with their causes?If you don't know who Sima Samar is, check this out. I'm sad she didn't win. http://simasamar.com/

lpstl · October 2009

I was really hoping I'd find a trainwreck of a thread about this so I could pass the morning quickly, so I'm a little disappointed it's only a two pager though.Obama winning was nothing more than a message, what happened is the international community gave bush one final fuuck you and America a nice little pat on the head for electing someone they approve of.

bbyckes · October 2009

Here's a Time article detailing the committee's decision: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929399,00.htmlPerhaps Lpstl is on the right track. Not merely an eff you to GWB, but just an overall pat on the back to America. There are worst things..

banana468 · October 2009

The issue is that in doing this, they completely neglected those who had actually accomplished things.It's turned the award into something political which is very unfortunate.

SwedishChick2011 · October 2009

I agree with banana. It's saddening that the committee made the decision they did.

bbyckes · October 2009

But, isn't the very nature of the award political? The recipient in their own way has made a mark on local, country and global politics and that's exactly what makes them deserving of the award - impacting politics and government, starting global conversations and making an impact.

lpstl · October 2009

There's an interesting discussion about this on NPR right now. I feel like an idiot for not coming up with this theory on my own, because it's so obvious. But the theory is that Obama was awarded the peace prize as a strategic method to discourage war and encourage ending the war in Iraq. It's pretty brilliant if you think about it, expectations of a Nobel peace prize winner are certainly geared towards peace and humanitarianism, and I bet a winner thinks twice before declaring war. This could all just be a desperate preventive measure.

SwedishChick2011 · October 2009

Lpstl - That could definitely be true.

KarliVtobe · October 2009

I'm not an avid fan and this makes me appreciate him even less. This. I have not seen Obama do ANYTHING worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. As far as I am concerned he has done nothing positive for our country so far either. Watch a The O'Rielly Factory or Sean Hannity.. Maybe you'll get an honest perspective of what this man has NOT done for us since he's been elected. Not only do they tell the truth but they have political advisors from both the left and the right on their programs informing the people what is really going on in the Oval office.. Also, they were not supporters of Bush either so it's not because they're Republican's that they disapprove of Obama.

betrothed123 · October 2009

Watch a The O'Rielly Factory or Sean Hannity.. Maybe you'll get an honest perspective of what this man has NOT done for us since he's been elected.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I'm quite conservative, and have never been a BO supporter. However, you still have to acknowledge that Fox news is just as twisted as any of the liberal news channels, and that Bill O'Rielly and Sean Hannity are two of the worst offenders. In no way is Fox an honest channel, and in no way are these shows truthful or unbiased.

ricksang · October 2009

I am sick of the "at least it isn't Bush" mentality. Obama has done very few things for this country. He talks the big talk but that is about it. He has put this country in so much debt with his out of control spending. And for people who say, 'Give the man a break, he hasn't been in office for long", well, that is right! He has not been in office for long, why the F is he getting a NPP? This is yet another a$$kissing move. Trying to bring peace and all is a nice notion, but I would hate to see what would happen if he tried to replace war with peace. Al-qaeda doesn't give a rat'sass about peace.

SarahSmile23 · October 2009

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHI'm quite conservative, and have never been a BO supporter. However, you still have to acknowledge that Fox news is just as twisted as any of the liberal news channels, and that Bill O'Rielly and Sean Hannity are two of the worst offenders. In no way is Fox an honest channel, and in no way are these shows truthful or unbiased. You're right. But I know what OP is trying to say. O'Reilly might lean to the R, but he always has panels from both sides on his shows. He also blasts Republicans as often as he blast Democrats.I think it's a huge mistake for anybody to ever assume their news sources are unbiased. Without a slant, they have no ratings. That's why we need to get our news from as many sources as possible, even sources we disagree with.

lpstl · October 2009

Well, to be honest, I think we should give a fuuck if France cares who we elected (or china, or india, or spain). We have a reputation of being arrogant elitists who consider themselves above the international community. That's not really doing anything good for us. Karli, if you don't think Sean Hannity of Bill Oreily have an agenda then I don't really thing I can have an intelligent conversation with you. I'm pretty liberal, but I would never make a blanket statement like "Bush didn't do one good thing for the country while he was in office". All that does is discredit my statements as biased.P.S. We are all aware that Obama didn't give this thing to himself, right? I'm picking up a lot of anger towards him for winning, and I think that's displaced.

KarliVtobe · October 2009

Thank you, Sarah. Exactly the point I was trying to make. lpstl - I am about as conservative as they come and proud to say so. However, I honestly don't believe Bush did much that was positive for our country either and was just as ready as any Liberal to get him out of office. I do however believe that so far Obama has not done anything benefitial for our contry as a whole... I do agree with a few things he has done, like calling Kanye West a jackass as well as his message to the children in school about continuing their education and having high hopes for themselves. I do think that for many people he is a great role model. He has improved our image with foreign countries and maybe in 10 years once he's spent more time as a politician he'd be an AMAZING President. Right now, he's not. He's a great speaker but you've got to walk the walk not just talk the talk.. I think we should focus a little bit more on what he's NOT doing, as we did with Bush, than what he is doing..

betrothed123 · October 2009

O'Reilly might lean to the R, but he always has panels from both sides on his shows. He also blasts Republicans as often as he blast DemocratsWhile I do agree with this, when PP said Not only do they tell the truth and Maybe you'll get an honest perspective, she implies that Fox is unbiased and always shows the truth. Even as a Fox watcher, I know that's not right. Like you, I choose to get my news from multiple sources and filter the facts to figure out what's actually going on in the world, not just with the slant of one organization. There's no problem with using Fox as one of the sources you get your news from, but it shouldn't be used as the only one.

ricksang · October 2009

I am not angry at Obama for winning. I am giving a big WTF? to the NPP committee.

KarliVtobe · October 2009

Also, clarification on my OP, I do watch FOX News and O'Rielly on a daily basis. I know that they are also biased and lean toward the right. My point was that FOX allows both sides on their program and shows both views.. Unlike CNN or CNBS.

KarliVtobe · October 2009

I am not angry at Obama for winning. I am giving a big WTF? to the NPP committee. This.I am not angry at Obama for winning. I do realize that he didn't give this award to himself.. I am angry at the fact that many Liberal's praise Obama's every move (and no I am not saying that any one person here has done so). If we were all a little more critical, and vocal, we'd all be happier and recieve the results the American people want..

lpstl · October 2009

ricks, I agree with the WTF towards the NPP committee. Karli, Do you realize how many times you have contradicted yourself in the last three posts?

shagadelk7 · October 2009

I am glad someone made a thread about this. Sitting in my car this morning, I heard on the radio, Obama won the NPP. I literally sat there and wondered WTF?Let me say that I am pretty conservative fiscally (socially liberal), and I dislike Obama A LOT. I have told all my liberal friends that I hope that I can eat my words at the end of his presidency, so overall, I can say I want to see him succeed. I know it has been touched on already, but honestly Caco--do you think blindly supporing a leader will get us anywhere as Americans? Your arguments are twisted and make very little sense. I understand, you're an Obama supporter, you can be happy for the man, but don't assume that just because someone doesn't like him they are necessarily 'a hater.' I think most Dems and Repubs can agree that this was very 'out of the blue' and almost laughable. There are people way more deserving of this award and I think giving it to someone as undeserving as Obama strips the award of its true value.

ricksang · October 2009

On the other hand, my H is a big baby and almost had a heart attack when they interrupted Bill O' to announce the decision lol! Karli, it is sad that you think Bush has done nothing for this country or other countries. You are misinformed.

betrothed123 · October 2009

Karli, it is sad that you think Bush has done nothing for this country or other countries. You are misinformed. But honestly what can you expect from someone who gets all their information from a single source?

bbyckes · October 2009

What have I said that gives you the impression that I blindly follow anyone? I try to educate myself before voting or making my mind up about issues. I have not rendered an opinion on whether the committee's decision was right or wrong. In fact I think I stated that I don't care. I do agree and have agreed with others who are a bit baffled. I'm not learned enough on the selection criteria and the other nominees to make a judgment call. Yep, still confused on your assumption.

ricksang · October 2009

But honestly what can you expect from someone who gets all their information from a single source? True B!

ggmae · October 2009

(I didn't read any of the previous posts, so this may be a repeat.)I was pretty shocked when I heard that he had been chosen to receive the NPP, especially when it was decided just 12 days after he took office. He didn't do much during those 12 days, but perhaps they are looking at what he did before he became President, as a Senator and community organizer. I don't know much about his background, but maybe they were looking further back in his past.I'd be interested to learn who else was nominated.

ricksang · October 2009

GG, here you go! Sima Samar, women's rights activist in Afghanistan: "With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women's Affairs." Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years. Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: "These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon." "Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for 'inciting subversion of state power.'" "Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. He now lives in the United States." "Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence." http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/meet_the_people_who_were_passe_1.asp

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