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chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : 10-4 Rubber Ducky! I have a thread in mind, but I can't find it. Hmpf.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Which one was it? Maybe I'll remember where it is?

J&K10910 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : Which one was it? Maybe I'll remember where it is?
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

See, I don't really remember. That's the problem. (As in, I remeber reading the thread, I THOUGHT it was on E, I remember there was discussion, but I don't remember what it was about.) This all probably sounds super sketch, ha.

You know...after reading through a couple other threads, maybe it's not so much backpeddling, as it seems like at some point, you just kind of step out of the discussion and comment on random things instead. So it kind of seems like you've just given up the fight. But I do that, and I get that. So I guess maybe I'm just confused?

(I got that from your "Explain this to me" thread on E about the US bailing out the EU.)

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : See, I don't really remember. That's the problem. (As in, I remeber reading the thread, I THOUGHT it was on E, I remember there was discussion, but I don't remember what it was about.) This all probably sounds super sketch, ha. You know...after reading through a couple other threads, maybe it's not so much backpeddling, as it seems like at some point, you just kind of step out of the discussion and comment on random things instead. So it kind of seems like you've just given up the fight. But I do that, and I get that. So I guess maybe I'm just confused? (I got that from your "Explain this to me" thread on E about the US bailing out the EU.)
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I see. Yeah I was confused about it to begin with. I wasn't being snarky or sarcastic in the least when I was asking people to explain it to me. I am absolutely dumb when it comes to economics. I'm really trying to read up and understand more about it. But people made some good points in that article that totally made sense to me. Hence why I may have changed my mind or changed the subject. I like to go on tangents a lot, so I'm not surprised when I chang ethe subject ;)

NuggetBrain · December 2011

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[QUOTE]I like how that was an 'also', Nuggs.
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

I hold my grudges 4 lyfe, yo.

J&K10910 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : I see. Yeah I was confused about it to begin with. I wasn't being snarky or sarcastic in the least when I was asking people to explain it to me. I am absolutely dumb when it comes to economics. I'm really trying to read up and understand more about it. But people made some good points in that article that totally made sense to me. Hence why I may have changed my mind or changed the subject. I like to go on tangents a lot, so I'm not surprised when I chang ethe subject ;)
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

You didn't seem to change your mind in that one, just kind of back out of the discussion. Which, like I said...I do it too when I get tired of the argument, bored with it, frustrated, or just find something else interesting in the thread to talk about. So I guess at this point I'M backpeddling, not meaning to rake you over the coals. Does that make sense? My brain is SERIOUSLY fuzzy, so I can see me not making sense right now.

chirpchirp · December 2011

Chels- if I see it in the future, and I still care even a little bit, I'll let you know.

But it's not so much about hypocrisy. It's more the fact that I value and admire women who know their stuff and can present an argument intelligently and completely. Like Blue- we've disagreed on things in the past but I still admire that she knows what she's arguing about before she says something and she really believes in what she says. If she doesn't know much about the subject, she'll even say something along those lines but still be involved in the conversation if it interests her. I respect that.

What I don't care for is coming into a subject with a strong opinion and then saying you are learning a key aspect of the debate which is leading you to change your mind. If your opinion is so steadfast, shouldn't you have developed it by learning enough about the topic to even warrant an opinion in the first place?

That was wordy. Sorry. I deal with numbers more than words these days and I don't get much practice in being concise with what I want to say.

mehgank · December 2011

Bk - YG(longass)PM back

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : You didn't seem to change your mind in that one, just kind of back out of the discussion. Which, like I said...I do it too when I get tired of the argument, bored with it, frustrated, or just find something else interesting in the thread to talk about. So I guess at this point I'M backpeddling, not meaning to rake you over the coals. Does that make sense? My brain is SERIOUSLY fuzzy, so I can see me not making sense right now.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

No worries! I got bored/frustrated with it TBH, so that's why I stopped posting. It confuses me so much. And me asking for clarification on the subject only confused me more.

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]Chels- if I see it in the future, and I still care even a little bit, I'll let you know. But it's not so much about hypocrisy. It's more the fact that I value and admire women who know their stuff and can present an argument intelligently and completely. Like Blue- we've disagreed on things in the past but I still admire that she knows what she's arguing about before she says something and she really believes in what she says. If she doesn't know much about the subject, she'll even say something along those lines but still be involved in the conversation if it interests her. I respect that. <strong>What I don't care for is coming into a subject with a strong opinion and then saying you are learning a key aspect of the debate which is leading you to change your mind. If your opinion is so steadfast, shouldn't you have developed it by learning enough about the topic to even warrant an opinion in the first place?</strong> That was wordy. Sorry. I deal with numbers more than words these days and I don't get much practice in being concise with what I want to say.
Posted by chirpchirp[/QUOTE]

So you'd rather I be stubborn and not admit when I'm wrong when more information is given to me?

ETA The point of a debate is for people to put forth their views because chances are, not everyone has been educated on the topic in the exact same way. People on both sides of the coin will always bring up new things that I never knew. And if the other side of the coin starts to bring up more relevant points that change my point of view, then so be it.

NuggetBrain · December 2011

So what if people backpedal? I do it all the time. I run my mouth about something I have no idea about/get riled up and start calling people out of their names/say something that folks find offensive and then I usually follow it with "My bad." and explain why I was wrong/how I can see their point. I'm all for having strong opinions but there's a difference between "staunch" and "needlessly stubborn".

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]Chels- I got a little bit of that vibe when you posted about the sicko players on your brothers football team. I don't want to rehash, but it seemed like you back pedaled a bit on that one.
Posted by kodakitty[/QUOTE]

Yeah I did. I absolutely did go into that thread assuming I had all the information because it was coming from my mom and my little brother (who was on the team). When I started to actually read articles about it and get more information, my views did change. Should I have read the articles first? Yeah. But it wasn't me changing my mind just because people were pressing the other side of it.

annakb8 · December 2011

Chelsea, I think it's partially because you post a lot of these threads and usually give them really dramatic titles. If you just said "What do y'all think of this? I think yada yada yada, but I'm not really sure so I'd love to hear other opinions." I think that's probably your intention anyway, but it doesn't always come across that way.

kimheartsscott · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : So you'd rather I be stubborn and not admit when I'm wrong when more information is given to me? ETA The point of a debate is for people to put forth their views because chances are, not everyone has been educated on the topic in the exact same way. People on both sides of the coin will always bring up new things that I never knew. And if the other side of the coin starts to bring up more relevant points that change my point of view, then so be it.
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

I understand what she is getting at, Chels, I think because I've also noticed it. I don't really know how to explain it any better than she did though, but it's not about whether or not you are being stubborn or hypocritical. Sorry I can't explain better.

chirpchirp · December 2011

No, Chelsea, I don't encourage ignorance.

What I would prefer (which doesn't really matter, because my preference of your posting habits shouldn't rock your world) is if you didn't have such a steadfast opinion that you'd change it based on information that you probably should have known when you formed your opinion, you would acknowledge that you don't know enough about the subject to have such a strong opinion.

It's just my thoughts on it, no biggie.

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]Chelsea, I think it's partially because you post a lot of these threads and usually give them really dramatic titles. If you just said "What do y'all think of this? I think yada yada yada, but I'm not really sure so I'd love to hear other opinions." I think that's probably your intention anyway, but it doesn't always come across that way.
Posted by annakb8[/QUOTE]

My titles are usually always something to do with the topic. On almost every (if not every) thing I post, I post what I think, then I say "WDYT?" Which is opening it to othe ropinions and viewpoints.

chirpchirp · December 2011

Actually, the EU thread is a pretty good example from the first post. I appreciate that you noted later that you didn't really understand economics but your OP was what I would consider to be a stong opinion on the matter: "Haven't you learned, US, that spending money to foster economic growth doesn't really help much?
We need to focus on our own country before we can help others"

ETA: and if you have a strong opinion on it, I would assume you've educated yourself on the subject and that's how you formed the opinion.

J&K10910 · December 2011

Whoops. Here comes another Chelsea flogging.

Blueyed228 · December 2011

I think there is a difference between backpeddling and seeing something in a different light/realizing your point may have come across differently than you wanted to.

I have been accused of backpeddling before when in fact it was the latter. My view didnt change, but my delivery did.

LetsHikeToday · December 2011

If someone comes into a thread with one opinion, learns something from other posters, and leaves with another opinion, I don't see the big deal.

kimheartsscott · December 2011

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[QUOTE]Whoops. Here comes another Chelsea flogging.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I didn't realize how many people were going to post about it at the same time as I was. I'm going to creep away slowly now.

annakb8 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : My titles are usually always something to do with the topic. On almost every (if not every) thing I post, I post what I think, then I say "WDYT?" Which is opening it to othe ropinions and viewpoints.
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

<div>Actually, I find a lot of your thread titles are not really related to the topic at all. "How does this even happen?" or whatever it was on E and "Seething doesn't even begin to describe me right now" are two examples of really vague titles that dont really say anything to let you know about the topics, which were the US bailing out the Euro and the outrage over stamps for a Muslim holiday respectively. And they were both pretty dramatic. These are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head because when I look at your magnifying glass it won't let me look past your 10 most recent posts for some reason. </div>

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]Whoops. Here comes another Chelsea flogging.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

You are readind my mind. It makes me think of the episode of Friends in Season 10 when Ross comes in all biitchy that Rachel is getting job help from Mark again. Then Chandler of course makes a sarcastic comment about his time machine working.
It feels like Summer again (the season, not the poster) <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

maratea · December 2011

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[QUOTE]If someone comes into a thread with one opinion, learns something from other posters, and leaves with another opinion, I don't see the big deal.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I feel like Chelsea is becoming Verona. Verona seems to get dumped on all.the.time. on TN because people think she's an easy target or something, but she handles it with niceness and pretty good grace. I'd say for as much as people pick on Chels, she takes it pretty well.

chirpchirp · December 2011

LHT and Rachers- I agree with both of you. That's the beauty of conversation and debate. But if you're coming into a thread, guns a'blazin' with your opinion, it's a different story. The approach, IMO, is what makes the difference.

NuggetBrain · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : Agreed. I feel like Chelsea is becoming Verona. Verona seems to get dumped on all.the.time. on TN because people think she's an easy target or something, but she handles it with niceness and pretty good grace. I'd say for as much as people pick on Chels, she takes it pretty well.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

For reals. I'm getting kind of sick of people ragging on her for "backpedaling". "Backpedaling" is becoming the new "RED FLAGS" for me.

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : Actually, I find a lot of your thread titles are not really related to the topic at all. "How does this even happen?" or whatever it was on E and "Seething doesn't even begin to describe me right now" are two examples of really vague titles that dont really say anything to let you know about the topics, which were the US bailing out the Euro and the outrage over stamps for a Muslim holiday respectively. And they were both pretty dramatic. These are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head because when I look at your magnifying glass it won't let me look past your 10 most recent posts for some reason.
Posted by annakb8[/QUOTE]

Interesting... Well you have proven me wrong then on that! My apologies!
I do remember the seething one being something about someone being extremely racist or discriminatory in some way. I'd find it but I can't see my old posts either for some odd reason. But I remember everyone agreeing with me on it.
OOHH now I remember.. it was about getting an e-mail saying how being muslim was anti-american.

J&K10910 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AYG : Agreed. I feel like Chelsea is becoming Verona. Verona seems to get dumped on all.the.time. on TN because people think she's an easy target or something, but she handles it with niceness and pretty good grace. I'd say for as much as people pick on Chels, she takes it pretty well.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

I <3 Verona. And her Cinderella PPD.

Blueyed228 · December 2011

I guess I look at Chels like this. People have been flamming the shiit out of her for months now. She seems like she is trying, but I just dont think she really gets it. So I take the things she says with a grain of salt. I know she isnt purposely trying to be difficult.

Its kind of like MissCourtney.

LetsHikeToday · December 2011

Mara- I agree that Chelsea handles it well.

chelseamb11 · December 2011

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[QUOTE]LHT and Rachers- I agree with both of you. That's the beauty of conversation and debate. But if you're coming into a thread, guns a'blazin' with your opinion, it's a different story. The approach, IMO, is what makes the difference.
Posted by chirpchirp[/QUOTE]

Im not usually guns ablazin'... I know it comes off that way and I'll work on it. But it's more just me being a passionate person.

AYG

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