Anyone else...

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

...feel the urge to splurge like crazy as the wedding approaches? LOL. I've been pretty good about sticking to the budget we set. But now that the wedding is almost here, I'm tempted to start adding stuff, and hence completely blow the budget. (Right now, I really want to add a sliders station...which would work out to about another $600). Anyway, just curious if anyone else feels this way too or if you've been good about sticking to your budget. Trying to maintain self-control for a few more days...

downtownbebebrown · October 2011

me too! emotions are running high and not to mention hormones

about 1k over budget and i just have to stop already!

i just added petals as my send off, i didn't want to regret

skimping too much on floral.

trying to be rational now, at this point and not

hastely add on things in the final hour.

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

Yeah, I think being worried about "regrets" is a big thing for me....and what is probably behind most of my extra spending. Although, I think I need to remind myself that I will definitely regret the credit card bill at the end of the month!

Natrasha · October 2011

Honestly? I almost wish I added more. Our guests were well taken care of (full open bar, lots of food, 3 different passed hors d'oeuvres) and no one probably could have eaten any more food. And I think our reception time was too short for something like a photobooth to have made a ton of sense for us.

I have credit card debt from the wedding. If I thought a photobooth or a food station would have worked for us, I would still have done it. It's not a crazy amount of debt, it should only take us 4-5 months to pay off. It was worth it. Every penny.

But yes, I found myself spending like crazy. We had front orchestra tickets for Peepshow. We had the full tasting menu at the Eiffel Tower Restaurant. It was so worth it! I'd do it again all over!

I'm sure most people will tell you you don't "need it." And you don't. But if you want it... there are no do-overs. There were things I wanted MORE than I wanted to start our marriage debt free. They were agreed on by both of us. And we wouldn't change a damn thing.

nycheryl · October 2011

I'm still 7 months out, and there are a lot of things I'd love to add. This site definitely doesn't help with the temptation

mikkiwin8 · October 2011

I think I saw on Four Weddings where towards the end of the reception they literally brought out Mcdonalds cheeseburgers, still in their wrappers, on trays for guests who had been dancing and drinking all night. The sounds of it doesn't sound super classy lol but none of the guests expected it and they all seemed to love it.

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]I think I saw on Four Weddings where towards the end of the reception they literally brought out Mcdonalds cheeseburgers, still in their wrappers, on trays for guests who had been dancing and drinking all night. The sounds of it doesn't sound super classy lol but none of the guests expected it and they all seemed to love it.
Posted by mikkiwin8[/QUOTE]

Bahaha! That's awesome! I wonder if McDonald's (or better yet, in and out) would be considered outside catering. LOL.

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]Honestly? I almost wish I added more. Our guests were well taken care of (full open bar, lots of food, 3 different passed hors d'oeuvres) and no one probably could have eaten any more food. And I think our reception time was too short for something like a photobooth to have made a ton of sense for us. I have credit card debt from the wedding. If I thought a photobooth or a food station would have worked for us, I would still have done it. It's not a crazy amount of debt, it should only take us 4-5 months to pay off. It was worth it. Every penny. But yes, I found myself spending like crazy. We had front orchestra tickets for Peepshow. We had the full tasting menu at the Eiffel Tower Restaurant. It was so worth it! I'd do it again all over! I'm sure most people will tell you you don't "need it." And you don't. But if you want it... there are no do-overs. There were things I wanted MORE than I wanted to start our marriage debt free. They were agreed on by both of us. And we wouldn't change a damn thing.
Posted by Natrasha[/QUOTE]

Natrasha...you're pushing me in the direction of MORE...off to scrutinize my budget one more time.

Natrasha · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Natrasha...you're pushing me in the direction of MORE...off to scrutinize my budget one more time.
Posted by Ann&Erik2011[/QUOTE]

I know! I'm bad! Shame on me! But it's about your priorities. We thought we had enough saved to have the wedding we dreamed of, but as our guest list grew, it wasn't enough. So we could have cut corners (less expensive photographer, smaller bar package, etc) but we decided it was more valuable to us to have what we really wanted, even if it meant some credit card debt.

We still tried to be smart- we have a 0% card, until April. I hope no one finds this tacky, but I'm also talking debt in the neighborhood of $4K, which is manageable for us. We'll have to wait a few months to pay it off before building up a down-payment fund. We decided all these things were worth it to us. We still cut some corners- for example, part of me wonders if I shouldn't have gotten a more high-end videographer. But that probably would have sent our debt from $4K to $7K. And that was not worth it.

I hope this helps... This is not sound financial advice!! I was big on not having regrets, and I really don't have any. (Except wishing it didn't go so fast or other things that were out of my control!)

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... :<strong> I know! I'm bad! Shame on me!</strong>But it's about your priorities. We thought we had enough saved to have the wedding we dreamed of, but as our guest list grew, it wasn't enough. So we could have cut corners (less expensive photographer, smaller bar package, etc) but we decided it was more valuable to us to have what we really wanted, even if it meant some credit card debt. We still tried to be smart- we have a 0% card, until April. I hope no one finds this tacky, but I'm also talking debt in the neighborhood of $4K, which is manageable for us. We'll have to wait a few months to pay it off before building up a down-payment fund. We decided all these things were worth it to us. We still cut some corners- for example, part of me wonders if I shouldn't have gotten a more high-end videographer. But that probably would have sent our debt from $4K to $7K. And that was not worth it. I hope this helps... This is not sound financial advice!! I was big on not having regrets, and I really don't have any. (Except wishing it didn't go so fast or other things that were out of my control!)
Posted by Natrasha[/QUOTE]

You are bad! I just emailed Marie to see if we could add the sliders station. Now I'm cutting myself off. No more!

But seriously, it's not like we're going into major debt...it will only take us a few months to pay off. I am just very anti-credit cards (we both swiped our cards too much in college and it took us a long long time to pay that off) so even small balances stress me out. Anyway, tax season, and my tax refund will be here soon enough. Worse comes to worse, I'll be able to pay it all off then. Also not sound financial advice!

I tried to have the wedding completely paid for ... that's gotta count for something. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

P.S.--I wonder how annoyed Marie is with me? I just asked her last night to switch out one of our hors d'oeuvres for the brie en croute you mentioned. :)

smokeybailey · October 2011

I wouldn't add anything. We talked about adding stuff and then decided against it; it wasn't in our budget. I am so glad. With all of Smokey's medical bills I would hate to have any debt.

We showed our guests a great time but came out debt free. Honestly, I do sometimes think we could have spent less on things like flowers. I don't regret the spend; I just saw them at the end of the night on all the tables-bright, beautiful, and going into the trash. I thought that we could have put that money towards more appetizers or something.

I am glad I didn't buy an RD dress or buy any new clothes other than my $7 tee shirt.

fattytoro · October 2011

Back in January, the wife to be and I spent a week arguing about STD magnets. One place offered it for $15 cheaper than the other. We ended up paying the additionl $15 but we penny pinched for about 3 months with everything we could think of.. When it came time to finalize a florist around July/Aug time frame the florist put together a package that we couldn't refuse and way over our budget and we seemed not to care. Ever since then, the fiancee has let the flood gates loose and we have been spending like crazy.. We added a photo booth, string quartette at the church, an extra appetizer, bought my tux instead of renting, she upgraded her wedding dress...

I am 37 years old and she is.. . umm . . well around the same age as me. I'm only the second grand child on both sides of the family to get married and she is the first to get married among her siblings... We are fortunate enough to be able to pay for this in cash and we have both waited close to a combined 80 years to get married so we look back at the STD 'discussion' along with all the penny pinching and laugh now .. We are 54 days and counting... I can't wait to have this party and neither can the future Mrs. FattyToro .. I say if you have the means to do so without putting yourselves in much debt, DO IT! I only plan to get married once so I'm making the best of it

wiwicaty · October 2011

We splurged from day one and kept going. We increased our budget twice and at one point stopped paying attention to it altogether. The only things I didn't budge over were the flowers for the ceremony and upgrading my bouquet, we didn't regret sticking to the original plan. We didn't get into debt for the wedding but I did have to fork out more money afterwards for some extra prints and albums. Again, no regrets whatsoever. There are no do-overs so I agree that being a little "irresponsible" is allowed when it comes to one's wedding

smokeybailey · October 2011

I am going to respectfully disagree. The last thing you want when starting a new marriage is debt. We paid cash for everything. Our budget definitely increased but no more than we could afford. Should you splurge? If you can afford it, by all means. If not, think about post wedding and what you want to do then. As long as it makes fiscal sense, do it. But I'm a tight wad like that.

wiwicaty · October 2011

I agree with you too Smokey, I should have emphasised the word "little" up there. I've always been very diligent when it comes to money, we didn't skip saving for retirement etc. during the wedding planning but I guess if there's just a little detail one would like to add that would cost a couple of months of debt repaying, it's not the end of the world. Provided it doesn't become a habit or get out of control. I don't usually think this way, it's just that a wedding is such a unique event...

lovesblingbling · October 2011

My parents and his parents have set a firm budget of $80,000 and I'm hoping we don't go over!!!!

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]I agree with you too Smokey, I should have emphasised the word "little" up there. I've always been very diligent when it comes to money, we didn't skip saving for retirement etc. during the wedding planning but I guess if there's just a little detail one would like to add that would cost a couple of months of debt repaying, it's not the end of the world. Provided it doesn't become a habit or get out of control. <strong>I don't usually think this way, it's just that a wedding is such a unique event... :)
</strong>Posted by wiwicaty[/QUOTE]

This exactly. I am a tight wad. And a budgeter. And a planner. But I think a little splurge will be worth it. :)

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]My parents and his parents have set a firm budget of $80,000 and I'm hoping we don't go over!!!!
Posted by lovesblingbling[/QUOTE]

Wowser. I'm sure you'll be okay.

lovesblingbling · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Wowser. I'm sure you'll be okay.
Posted by Ann&Erik2011[/QUOTE]

We are doing a ballroom blacktie and going full tilt, we only do it once hahaha!

smokeybailey · October 2011

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[QUOTE]My parents and his parents have set a firm budget of $80,000 and I'm hoping we don't go over!!!!
Posted by lovesblingbling[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what to do with this information. Are you bragging about it? If so, that's annoying.

smokeybailey · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : This exactly. I am a tight wad. And a budgeter. And a planner. But I think a little splurge will be worth it. :)
Posted by Ann&Erik2011[/QUOTE]

Well, that's the thing, if you have to ask, I don't think it's small. I don't think a $600 slider station is "little." To me that's a big splurge.

To me, a little splurge was adding a third cabana at $250. A big splurge would have been hosting F&B at the cabanas, which was outside our budget. I guess I am confused at the original question and what you meant.

wiwicaty · October 2011

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[QUOTE]My parents and his parents have set a firm budget of $80,000 and I'm hoping we don't go over!!!!
Posted by lovesblingbling[/QUOTE]

<div>Not to rain on your parade but I must say that I'm not a fan of the "getting married thanks to other people's money" current.</div><div>It might sound extreme but I really don't see the point of getting married for people that can't make their own wedding happen. </div><div>Not even mentioning the fact that I wouldn't take that kind of money away from anyone. </div>

lovesblingbling · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Not to rain on your parade but I must say that I'm not a fan of the "getting married thanks to other people's money" current. It might sound extreme but I really don't see the point of getting married for people that can't make their own wedding happen. Not even mentioning the fact that I wouldn't take that kind of money away from anyone.
Posted by wiwicaty[/QUOTE]

Well not to rain on your parade I don't care what you're a fan of. But you're entitled to your opinion. We can pay for our own wedding but our parents insisted on paying and we have accepted their offer. We didn't ask but have been blessed with kind hearted family.

themrsJRD · October 2011

Having just finished this whole wedding ordeal, I think it's all about what you personally are comfortable with. We have already bought a house & don't have any other big expenses so we did take out a small loan (neighborhood of 4K) that we plan on paying off with our tax return (which we have been withholding extra money for all year in anticipation of the original wedding date next year). And that loan covered 75% of the entire wedding. I guess it depends on your own situation. I can say if ours had been different, i.e. if we also wanted to save for a down payment for a house, taking that loan out isn't something we would've done. Then again, neither would we have moved the wedding up an entire year with just 2 months' notice.

Ann&Erik2011 · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Well, that's the thing, if you have to ask, I don't think it's small. I don't think a $600 slider station is "little." To me that's a big splurge. To me, a little splurge was adding a third cabana at $250. A big splurge would have been hosting F&B at the cabanas, which was outside our budget. I guess I am confused at the original question and what you meant.
Posted by smokeybailey[/QUOTE]

You're right. It's not really that little. It's not huge either. Anyway, my original question was were you tempted to splurge toward the end of planning...I was/am, and I gave in to temptation. LOL.

vegasgroom · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Well not to rain on your parade I don't care what you're a fan of. But you're entitled to your opinion. We can pay for our own wedding but our parents insisted on paying and we have accepted their offer. We didn't ask but have been blessed with kind hearted family.
Posted by lovesblingbling[/QUOTE]

Okay good job.

CamilleJon · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Not to rain on your parade but I must say that I'm not a fan of the "getting married thanks to other people's money" current. It might sound extreme but<strong> I really don't see the point of getting married for people that can't make their own wedding happen</strong>. <strong>Not even mentioning the fact that I wouldn't take that kind of money away from anyone. </strong>
Posted by wiwicaty[/QUOTE]

This is a seriously ridiculous statement. The point is this: two people love eachother and want to build a life together. You think they shouldn't get married because they can't come up with 20k, or 5k, or 100k, or whatever for a wedding? You must be joking. Some people believe that the point of a wedding is to get married, not throw a party.

And second, you really wouldn't accept money from your parents for a wedding if you and your FI couldn't afford the one you wanted? Some parents open savings accounts specifically for their child's wedding. My parents are paying for most of our's and I don't feel guilty. My FI and I would be able to afford less than half of what we are spending now. Because my parents are paying we are able to host 100 people instead of 50 and throw some extra events like a M&G, brunch, and DD bus tour.This is something my parents really wanted. I think my mom is more excited about the wedding than I am.

I guess it could depend on the age and establishment of the couple.

wiwicaty · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : <strong>This is a seriously ridiculous statement.</strong> The point is this: two people love eachother and want to build a life together. You think they shouldn't get married because they can't come up with 20k, or 5k, or 100k, or whatever for a wedding? <strong>You must be joking.</strong> Some people believe that the point of a wedding is to get married, not throw a party. And second, <strong>you really wouldn't accept money from your parents for a wedding if you and your FI couldn't afford the one you wanted</strong>? Some parents open savings accounts specifically for their child's wedding. My parents are paying for most of <strong>our's</strong> and I don't feel guilty. My FI and I would be able to afford less than half of what we are spending now. Because my parents are paying we are able to host 100 people instead of 50 and throw some extra events like a M&G, brunch, and DD bus tour.This is something my parents really wanted. <strong>I think my mom is more excited about the wedding than I am</strong>. I guess it could depend on the age and establishment of the couple.
Posted by CamilleJon[/QUOTE]

<div>Of course it is, from your standpoint.</div><div>
</div><div>Not joking. If you (general you) are old/mature/responsible enough to start your own family then I think coming up with the money to start it would be the way to go.</div><div>
</div><div>My husband and I make stuff happen. I accepted a gift from my dad that wasn't meant to make the whole or part of our wedding take place. That was on us.</div><div>
</div><div>Ours.</div><div>
</div><div>OK. </div>

CamilleJon · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Of course it is, from your standpoint. Not joking. If you (general you) are old/mature/responsible enough to start your own family then I think coming up with the money to start it would be the way to go. My husband and I make stuff happen. I accepted a gift from my dad that wasn't meant to make the whole or part of our wedding take place. That was on us. Ours. OK.
Posted by wiwicaty[/QUOTE]

I just don't understand your logic here... are you talking about having kids? Or getting married?

Anyway, you obviously think it's pretty great that you paid for your own wedding, and I think it's great, too. But I don't think you're above those of us whose parents gave us a wedding as a gift. It seems like you think you are since you are making such ridiculous and illogical excuses for feeling that way.

wiwicaty · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : I just don't understand your logic here... are you talking about having kids? Or getting married? Anyway, you obviously think it's pretty great that you paid for your own wedding, and I think it's great, too. But I don't think you're above those of us whose parents gave us a wedding as a gift. It seems like you think you are since you are making such <strong>ridiculous and illogical excuses</strong> for feeling that way.
Posted by CamilleJon[/QUOTE]

<div>Who said anything about kids? I don't equate family with children.</div><div>I don't see any "excuses" in what I wrote, (excuses for what btw?), much less ridiculous and illogical ones.</div>

CamilleJon · October 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else... : Who said anything about kids?<strong> I don't equate family with children.</strong> I don't see any "excuses" in what I wrote, (excuses for what btw?), much less ridiculous and illogical ones.
Posted by wiwicaty[/QUOTE]

You don't? Well I do, and I think when most people refer to "starting a family", having children is precisely what they mean.

Let's just agree to disagree.

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