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Calypso1977 · May 2011

oot, i was primarly addressing you because all you want to do is call me names like "idiot". while i respect bel and mica's medical opinions, and their position on vaccines, i simply dont agree with them based on the reseach ive done and discussions with my own doctors who support my position.

if a pregnant person is worried about contracting rubella, they should be vaccinated. its not my problem to protect someone else. if a parent feels my kid isnt safe to be around if it isnt vaccinated, i respect their choice to stay away. a newborn really shouldnt be paraded around on playdates in its first few weeks of life anyway, and if i was someone who felt strongly about giving vaccines, i definitley wouldnt bring the child around until it had its shots. its not my responsibility to worry about the health of other kids. its my responsilbility to keep my child healthy and safe, and i feel the best way to do this is to not vaccinate.

i personally would rather take the risk of contracting the disease than take on the risk of a side effect. some of the vaccines still contain things like mercury. why on earth would you want to voluntarily inject mercury or other toxins or poisons into your system or into the system of a brand new, perfectly healthy infant?

while i respect all of your viewpoints, it isnt going to change my mind. i feel ive done immense amounts of research and i feel that this is the best option for our child, just as my parents felt it the best option for me and my sister.

ootmother2 · May 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: NFP Questions : My grandfather lost a brother to whooping cough when they were children. That fact alone makes me never, ever, want to take any risks for myself or my child with regards to the disease.
Posted by bibliophile2010[/QUOTE]

how awful!

I know that my grandmother lost two brothers to infectious diseases, one had measles and mumps at the same time but I don't remember what the other one had. I know her little sister died after being hit by a car at age 10. All she had was a broken leg but an infection developed. There just weren't the advanced drugs and immunizations back then. Today is a totally different story and I'm very thankful for that.

bel138 · May 2011

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[QUOTE]its not my problem to protect someone else... its not my responsibility to worry about the health of other kids. its my responsilbility to keep my child healthy and safe, and i feel the best way to do this is to not vaccinate. [/QUOTE]
Yes, but what upsets me is that unvaccinated people are relying on the protection provided by the vaccination of others.

[QUOTE] some of the vaccines still contain things like mercury.[/QUOTE]
There are mercury free version of EVERY vaccine, and these mercury free versions are the most widely used, with the exception of the flu vaccine. Even if the particular mercury free version isn't used by your doctor, you can still request the mercury free brand or find someone who stocks it.

mica178 · May 2011

Calypso -- I think oot's original comments were directed at the original poster, not at you.

I'll beg you (and anyone else who feels similarly but hasn't voiced her opinion) to reconsider your position on vaccines. As bel mentioned, there are mercury-free vaccines. And many people feed their children fish (especially us Catholics during Lent) -- but many common fish have a lot of mercury. So if you're going to allow your children to have the occasional tuna fish sandwich (or tuna sushi or grilled swordfish), you might as well get them the rare vaccines that do have traces of mercury.

But more importantly, the biggest experts in infectious diseases recommend vaccines as a way of keeping ourselves and society safe. The Vatican has not come out with a statement against vaccines and depending on which official statement you read, it appears to be rather pro-vaccine. So if your health and spiritual advisors are recommending it, why go with the anti-vaccine fringe groups?

Calypso1977 · May 2011

here's another interesting link i came across.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032306_vaccines_infant_mortality.html

again, i encourage folks to grab a package insert on some of these vaccines. read the ingredients. even if you are pro-vaccine, no harm in educating yourselves on what the ingredients are, right?

Calypso1977 · May 2011

And anyone who goes without vaccines for childhood illnesses is an idiot that I want to keep a good distance from. Just think about what you may not catch but what you can spread.

oh, an oot's comment was NOT directed at OP, but most certainly me, as im the only one who expressed this view. as always, she enjoys taking a shot at me any chance she gets. but that's ok, i know it makes her feel better about herself.

Ghoti · May 2011

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[QUOTE]And anyone who goes without vaccines for childhood illnesses is an idiot that I want to keep a good distance from. Just think about what you may not catch but what you can spread. oh, an oot's comment was NOT directed at OP, but most certainly me, as im the only one who expressed this view. as always, she enjoys taking a shot at me any chance she gets. but that's ok, i know it makes her feel better about herself.
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]
Could it possibly be that OOT was just voicing her opinion, and you being you took it as a direct assault because it couldn't possibly be that everyone doesn't share your opinion? I'm sure there are many people who don't vaccinate, just because they don't post doesn't mean they aren't reading.

Riss91 · May 2011

meh - I read it as oot was directing that comment at Calypso as those exchanges are common. I still fail to see a need in anyone calling anyone names or using demeaning phrases that insinuate someone is an idiot for what they believe. It distracts from the purpose of sharing information and understanding each other's point of view.

bel138 · May 2011

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[QUOTE]here's another interesting link i came across. <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/032306_vaccines_infant_mortality.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.naturalnews.com/032306_vaccines_infant_mortality.html</a> again, i encourage folks to grab a package insert on some of these vaccines. read the ingredients. even if you are pro-vaccine, no harm in educating yourselves on what the ingredients are, right?
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

Once again, a self proclaimed NATURAL news source is going to be biased. And their aguments and the study itself are full of fallacies. The most obvious ones being that many countries define infant mortality differently and that correlation does not imply causation.

I understand wanting to educate yourself, but I don't understand being willfully ignorant of the consequences of your actions. I honestly pray that if you have children, none of them are afflicted with these very preventable diseases. I pray, too, that our loss of herd immunity does not result in the avoiable deaths and suffering of thousands of children, the likes of which the public consciousness has forgotten about in a mere 40 years.

Calypso1977 · May 2011

I honestly pray that if you have children, none of them are afflicted with these very preventable diseases.

conversely, i pray that if you have children and choose to vaccinate that they wont be afflicted with any of the terrible potential side effects.

here's a good site (CDC) that lists out several types of vaccines and the side effects. some vaccines have more than others, and then some have mild to severe effects. many of the severe effects are rare (one in a million).

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

i just think its really important for people to research, ask and educate yourselves. if one does choose to vaccinate, think about vaccinating for only a few diseases (most severe) or even delaying them for a few years until a child is bigger or spreading them out rather than getting a huge amount of injections all at once. again, youd be amazed at the ingredients of some of these.

banana468 · May 2011

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[QUOTE]I honestly pray that if you have children, none of them are afflicted with these very preventable diseases. conversely, i pray that if you have children and choose to vaccinate that they wont be afflicted with any of the terrible potential side effects. here's a good site (CDC) that lists out several types of vaccines and the side effects. some vaccines have more than others, and then some have mild to severe effects. many of the severe effects are rare (one in a million). <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm" rel='nofollow'>http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm</a> i just think its really important for people to research, ask and educate yourselves. if one does choose to vaccinate, think about vaccinating for only a few diseases (most severe) or even delaying them for a few years until a child is bigger or spreading them out rather than getting a huge amount of injections all at once. again, youd be amazed at the ingredients of some of these.
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

And I beg of people who don't vaccinate to leave their kids in ther homes. Permanently.

DD is 5 mos and is too young to be vaccinated against measles and now there are huge outbreaks. It just isn't realistic to leave her home although I don't try to bring her into huge crowds either.

This exchange just makes me angry as a parent.

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