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Legally married one day before ceremony

The 'fake wedding' thing has come up a few times today, and it reminded me of a situation that happened a few years ago with a friend. I was curious what the Knot response would be.

As I understand it, the couple was getting married in the bride's hometown. The vast majority of the guests were local, and it was an inexpensive sort of old school small town affair. As the wedding approached, the bride and groom decided that rather than her take his name, they would each like to hyphenate their names to include the other's. So, Jane Smith and John Doe become Jane and Jon Smith-Doe.

In many states, both members of the couple can change their name upon marriage (via the certificate, or at least with minimal extra paperwork) to any configuration of their names together. However, Bride'sState, it turns out, is not one of those states. In Bride'sState, while she could change HER name to his, or to a hyphenate via the marriage certificate, he could not. In order to change his name to the hyphenate, they would have to wait until after the wedding, file non-marital name change paperwork, pay a fair bit of money, have a court hearing to justify why he wants his name changed, etc. I believe they only realized this shortly before the wedding (perhaps the week of).

So the day before the wedding, they hopped in a car, drove like the wind to cross the border into the next state over - where they could both change their names together, via the marriage certificate. They signed the papers and drove like the wind back.

Would this fit the definitions of PPD here? I realize it's not ideal. I, personally, am never a fan of the 'we got married and have totally been living like husband and wife for months but now we want a party' thing, but in this *particular* situation it really didn't bother me. Perhaps because it was within 24 hours of the planned wedding ceremony, rather than months in advance?

Curious how you guys would view this.
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  • I think they should have gotten it done in their state so they could be legally wed infront of their guests, but this definitely isn't the worst situation I've heard.
  • My brother and SIL did something similar.  Their ceremony was planned for a state that did not allow gay marraige, and being an issue they support whole heartedly, they got married in a courthouse with their parents the week before.  It wasn't a secret, and no one had any issues with it.
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    [QUOTE]The 'fake wedding' thing has come up a few times today, and it reminded me of a situation that happened a few years ago with a friend. I was curious what the Knot response would be. As I understand it, the couple was getting married in the bride's hometown. The vast majority of the guests were local, and it was an inexpensive sort of old school small town affair. As the wedding approached, the bride and groom decided that rather than her take his name, they would each like to hyphenate their names to include the other's. So, Jane Smith and John Doe become Jane and Jon Smith-Doe. In many states, both members of the couple can change their name upon marriage (via the certificate, or at least with minimal extra paperwork) to any configuration of their names together. However, Bride'sState, it turns out, is not one of those states. In Bride'sState, while she could change HER name to his, or to a hyphenate via the marriage certificate, he could not. In order to change his name to the hyphenate, they would have to wait until after the wedding, file non-marital name change paperwork, pay a fair bit of money, have a court hearing to justify why he wants his name changed, etc. I believe they only realized this shortly before the wedding (perhaps the week of). So the day before the wedding, they hopped in a car, drove like the wind to cross the border into the next state over - where they could both change their names together, via the marriage certificate. They signed the papers and drove like the wind back. Would this fit the definitions of PPD here? I realize it's not ideal. I, personally, am never a fan of the 'we got married and have totally been living like husband and wife for months but now we want a party' thing, but in this *particular* situation it really didn't bother me. Perhaps because it was within 24 hours of the planned wedding ceremony, rather than months in advance? Curious how you guys would view this.
    Posted by Sephiroth[/QUOTE]

    I'm sorry but this ranks up at the top of the dumbest reasons to get married before your guests show up.  It's not like he was prevented from changing his name, he would just have to pay for it.  After paying what a wedding costs, this would have been a drop in the bucket.
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  • That's similar to my one of my best friends weddings.  A week before the wedding, their officiant friend informed them he was only registered in KY, not OH because he had let his license expire.  He felt awful about it.   So my best friend and her husband were married a couple days prior by a JOP and had their original wedding with their officiant friend a few days later. 

    They celebrate both anniversaries.   
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    [QUOTE]The 'fake wedding' thing has come up a few times today, and it reminded me of a situation that happened a few years ago with a friend. I was curious what the Knot response would be. As I understand it, the couple was getting married in the bride's hometown. The vast majority of the guests were local, and it was an inexpensive sort of old school small town affair. As the wedding approached, the bride and groom decided that rather than her take his name, they would each like to hyphenate their names to include the other's. So, Jane Smith and John Doe become Jane and Jon Smith-Doe. In many states, both members of the couple can change their name upon marriage (via the certificate, or at least with minimal extra paperwork) to any configuration of their names together. However, Bride'sState, it turns out, is not one of those states. In Bride'sState, while she could change HER name to his, or to a hyphenate via the marriage certificate, he could not. In order to change his name to the hyphenate, they would have to wait until after the wedding, file non-marital name change paperwork, pay a fair bit of money, have a court hearing to justify why he wants his name changed, etc<strong>. I believe they only realized this shortly before the wedding (perhaps the week of)</strong>. So the day before the wedding, they hopped in a car, drove like the wind to cross the border into the next state over - where they could both change their names together, via the marriage certificate. They signed the papers and drove like the wind back. Would this fit the definitions of PPD here? I realize it's not ideal. I, personally, am never a fan of the 'we got married and have totally been living like husband and wife for months but now we want a party' thing, but in this *particular* situation it really didn't bother me. Perhaps because it was within 24 hours of the planned wedding ceremony, rather than months in advance? Curious how you guys would view this.
    Posted by Sephiroth[/QUOTE]

    I am only a super stickler for those who lie to family for months and months. This seems to have been a last-minute and I wouldn't put them down for this, but I do think they should have looked into it more than a week before hand. Did they lie to everyone and say "We're totally getting married today, not yesterday. Ware you talking about getting married yesterday? Today's our wedding day!" ? How they broached the subject to family is how I would judge them. Obviously, there really isn't enough time to notify everyone in 24 hours prior to, but I hope they told every one
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  • I see nothing wrong with that.  That's a legal/paperwork/red tape issue that came up last minute and they did what they needed to do to sort it out.  Like you said, PP, they didn't do the 'we've been married for a year, living and behaving as such, and now want a PPD' thing.  That scenario doesn't bug me one bit. 

    Why won't some states allow the groom to hyphenate?  That strikes me as odd.  It seems to me that if any person of legal age wants to change their name, for whatever reason, they should be able to do so.  Coinciding with a wedding just makes it easier socially and professionally for people to recognize the change, it shouldn't matter to the registrar what the reasons are behind it.  Weird.

    In Michigan, you can change your name without cost when you marry or divorce.  My aunt went through a particularly nasty divorce from a real dirtbag, and I told her she should change her last name to Clooney-Pitt.  I was joking of course, but she did end up legally going back to her Maiden name. 
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  • In Response to Re:Legally married one day before ceremony:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony:In Response to Legally married one day before ceremony : I'mnbsp;sorry but this ranks up at the top of the dumbest reasons to get married before your guests show up.nbsp; It's not like he was prevented from changing his name, he would just have to pay for it.nbsp; After paying what a wedding costs, this would have beennbsp;a drop in the bucket.Posted by GoodLuckBear14This. nbsp;I think this is actually a LESS valid reason than health insurance or whatever which I also don't support because it was really just to save money/be more convenient. nbsp;This kind of stuff is basically "cheating the system". nbsp;Well, we want to get married here, but the process is easier or more to our liking THERE, so we'll just do both.Even if it's something like an officiant issue, I understand that things come up, but being an adult is making a decision and living with the consequences. nbsp;You cannot tell me they could not find ANYONE legally able to marry them in that county a few days beforehand. nbsp;It may have cost more, or meant not having someone superspeychul to them officiate, but it probably could have been done. nbsp;OR they could have had their ceremony a few days beforehand and then canceled the ceremony portion of the scheduled wedding and just had a kickass party. nbsp; Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    All of this. This is not any different than realizing a week before that you don't meet the requirements to marry in Mexico.
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    edited March 2013
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    [QUOTE]That's similar to my one of my best friends weddings.  A week before the wedding, their officiant friend informed them he was only registered in KY, not OH because he had let his license expire.  He felt awful about it.   So my best friend and her husband were married a couple days prior by a JOP and had their original wedding with their officiant friend a few days later.  They celebrate both anniversaries.   
    Posted by GoofyAssChick[/QUOTE]

    <div>In my opinion, this is one of those forgivable cases. I do think it's overkill that they celebrate both anniversaries.</div>
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    [QUOTE]Even if it's something like an officiant issue, I understand that things come up, but being an adult is making a decision and living with the consequences.  You cannot tell me they could not find ANYONE legally able to marry them in that county a few days beforehand.  It may have cost more, or meant not having someone superspeychul to them officiate, but it probably could have been done.  OR they could have had their ceremony a few days beforehand and then canceled the ceremony portion of the scheduled wedding and just had a kickass party.  
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    And the worst part of it was that no one knew about it until after the wedding.  They never told anyone.  They just joked about it at the reception.  There were some very snarky comments made but they've been married going on 14 years now.  No one really thinks about it much until she says something about her anniversary. 
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    My husband and I both changed our names as well, and I didn't look into it's legality until really late in the game too. So I can see how they would be surprised about it.

    But if my state hadn't allowed H to change his name via the marriage license, we would not have crossed state lines and had a quick wedding days before our planned wedding. He would have just kept his legal name, and used our hyphenated name socially or not at all. 

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  • The fact that they lied to their guests to save a couple of hundred dollars makes this not okay in my opinion. If they cancelled the ceremony and still invited people to celebrate their marriage with them (not a reception a celebration) it would have been different but they kept up a charade. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : Anyone in any state can change their name for any reason, including "because I felt like it".  It is just that different states have different rules for what a marriage license can and cannot be used for.  So, the groom in this scenario would have still been able to change his name.  He just would have had to file some paperwork and pay money to do it.
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    <div>I should have clarified "if he couldn't change his name through the marriage license." I'm not sure my H & I would put in the money or effort to do it the way that requires extra paperwork, court visits and / or extra money. </div>
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    [QUOTE]Lying to your guests because a JOP wedding a week before the PPD "wedding" saves you $200? Not okay.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    <div>THANK YOU. FBIL is doing this for his DW and it's driving me nuts, while the rest of his family thinks it "fiscally responsible." Sorry, but responsible would be doing the research and choosing to get married somewhere you could afford.</div>
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    [QUOTE]My husband and I both changed our names as well, and I didn't look into it's legality until really late in the game too. So I can see how they would be surprised about it. But if my state hadn't allowed H to change his name, we would not have crossed state lines and had a quick wedding days before our planned wedding. He would have just kept his legal name, and used our hyphenated name socially or not at all. 
    Posted by MoonlightSilver[/QUOTE]

    This.
    Or just went through the process of filling out extra paperwork and paying the fee, just like every other man in that state has to when he wants to change his name.

    The friend that wanted to officiate but let his license expire. The couple probably should have asked him to double check this. The friend could have stepped up and found and paid for a JOP to do the wedding for them in his place. Or they could have found one and let the friend do a reading or give a speech at the reception (or just be a guest).

    The couple that went to a different state confuses me. They are not a gay couple, but they didn't want to get married in the state they lived in because it did not allow gay marriage? Even though that's potentially still the state they live in, pay taxes to, and receive the marital benefits from? If the laws of the state they signed the marraige certificate in mattered that much to them, they should have just planned a destination wedding <em>in that state</em>.

    I tend to be hyper judgemental, but I feel like the only time a fake wedding might not be tacky is in this case:
    They had legitimate cause to think that one of the couple was dying, had an emergency ceremony at the hospital, only for that person to survive, and because all the deposits were already made (and all the bridal party's attire already purchased), and they wanted to get married in their church, that they went ahead and did a vow renewal there, assumnig everyone knew they were already married.

    And even then... I dunno...
  • My fiance just submitted the paperwork to legally change his last name to his stepfather's (he has no relationship with his biological father, I've never even met him! But his stepfather has been his "Dad" and been apart of both of our lives for well over a decade). We are getting married in June. While the name-change is expensive (the passport fee is the worst! But we are going out of country for the honeymoon so it's a must) and inconvenient, he is making sure to get it done way ahead of time so we don't run into any issues when I go to take his new name.
    IMO, it's important to get this stuff done in advance, and if it really matters that much you should check into it with plenty of time to spare.
    Also, sorry about all of the random background info!
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  • Totally OK because of the Blatant Sexism Exception. I would roll my eyes at the couple but not be too annoyed if the woman had the same hoops to change her last name. I also would totally support a couple who lived outside WA who had a nonlegal ceremony in WA and got legally married at home afterwards due to WA's marital exception to sexual assault. Assuming this was due to protest, not fear of a spou Acknowledging the current bill to make it illegal to sexually assault one's spouse.
  • I'm curious what TK's take on signing legal papers early is for couples who don't live together as husband and wife in the interim and don't consider themselves married until the religious ceremony? (For example, a couple who wants to save sex for marriage who won't consummate the marriage until after the religious ceremony because they don't consider themselves married?)

    My FI and I will of course sign the papers the same day we marry, but I've seen the above done before and was curious if the consensus here is that marriage is always primarily a legal status thing.
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    [QUOTE]I'm curious what TK's take on signing legal papers early is for couples who don't live together as husband and wife in the interim and don't consider themselves married until the religious ceremony? (For example, a couple who wants to save sex for marriage who won't consummate the marriage until after the religious ceremony because they don't consider themselves married?) My FI and I will of course sign the papers the same day we marry, but I've seen the above done before and was curious if the consensus here is that marriage is always primarily a legal status thing.
    Posted by catj131[/QUOTE]

    You are married when the government says you are married.  That is the date the IRS will look at.  That is the date that will be used if divorce proceedings ever take place.  The government date is what private enterprise uses to determine when you are eligible to go on spouse's benefits, etc.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : The same as it is any other couple.  The ceremony or signing or whatever where you become legally recognized as husband and wife (and in most states, it is a CEREMONY and not just signing a license) is your wedding.  You only get one.   Plus I understand no reason for doing what you're asking about.  What is the purpose of separating the legal ceremony from the religious ceremony in that case?
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]
    The couple that I most clearly remember did theirs about two weeks apart for immigration reasons. If I recall correctly, the groom's mother wasn't well and wouldn't have been able to travel to the bride's country for the wedding and the bride and groom would've had to delay and been separated for 8 odd months or so if they waited and just brought her in as a FI rather than as his legal wife.
  • edited March 2013
    <div align="left">In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_legally-married-one-day-before-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:f17a176a-435d-4ab6-b489-ec040c3b611fPost:d0196819-6742-4123-b748-c9ad413cc36f">Re: Legally married one day before ceremony</a>:
    [QUOTE]My fiance just submitted the paperwork to legally change his last name to his stepfather's (he has no relationship with his biological father, I've never even met him! But his stepfather has been his "Dad" and been apart of both of our lives for well over a decade). We are getting married in June. While the name-change is expensive (the passport fee is the worst! But we are going out of country for the honeymoon so it's a must) and inconvenient, he is making sure to get it done way ahead of time so we don't run into any issues when I go to take his new name. IMO, it's important to get this stuff done in advance, and if it really matters that much you should check into it with plenty of time to spare. Also, sorry about all of the random background info!
    Posted by ally91[/QUOTE]

    I have no idea if this law is actually true or not but here is a little legal 101.  The state where a crime takes place determines the law used to prosecute.  If you are married in Nevada and a crime happens in Washington, Washington law applies.  Same as if you were married in Washington and are a victim of a crime in Nevada.  Nevada law applies.</div>
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  • I think when it comes to religion vs legal, that's an entirely separate issue all together. I know of of some cases where the couple was unable to get "legally married" because of all this red tape types of stuff, but wanted to show their permanent commitment to each other publically and didn't want to live together "in sin", but also didn't want to wait the length of time for the red tape to clear. I think these types of scenarios should be ok.
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    [QUOTE]I think when it comes to religion vs legal, that's an entirely separate issue all together. I know of of some cases where the couple was unable to get "legally married" because of all this red tape types of stuff, but wanted to show their permanent commitment to each other publically and didn't want to live together "in sin", but also didn't want to wait the length of time for the red tape to clear. I think these types of scenarios should be ok.
    Posted by Amyzen83[/QUOTE]

    You need to give me an example here.  It still stands that you are married when your marriage certificate says which is the legal date.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : There is a big difference between being unable to legally marry and having a commitment ceremony instead and wanting to the legal benefits of marriage sooner, but still having a big fancy pretend wedding. I know plenty of couples who have had commitment ceremonies because they are not legally allowed to marry.  I supported them wholeheartedly.  <strong>And if they one day get that right, I will wholeheartedly support their quiet trip down to the courthouse to right an atrocious legal wrong.</strong>  I will NOT support them having another big fancy wedding.  I will never support someone who does the legal part and THEN the frilly party.
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    That's what we are going to do if CA ever gets off it's butt.  And I may even wear my dress to the courthouse.  I can't think of a better reason to be able to wear my dress again!  But, I'm not having a big party reception all over again !     It would be a big deal to us, but everyone already came to our wedding.  That doesn't change.
  • IMO, 'red tape' is a fact of life, and getting legally married isn't exactly a 'red tape' issue. There are benefits that come with it and if it was truly as unimportant as some people try to claim to justify their PPD parties, they wouldn't bother getting legally married in the first place and they would just have their party without having a marriage recognized by the government.

    It's always for health insurance, or a bigger military paycheck, or to keep the fiancé/e in the country... these are tangible benefits. The couple could instead choose to suck it up and lose out on the money (paying for COBRA coverage, or just not getting the larger check, or the fees associated with immigration) and just wait to have their wedding. Or they could get married and not have a second party where they dress up and play pretend. Those two choices? That's what adults who are ready to be married do when faced with such problems. They don't try to have everything when that means cheating the system and deceiving their loved ones.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : There is a big difference between being unable to legally marry and having a commitment ceremony instead and wanting to the legal benefits of marriage sooner, but still having a big fancy pretend wedding. I know plenty of couples who have had commitment ceremonies because they are not legally allowed to marry.  I supported them wholeheartedly.  And if they one day get that right, I will wholeheartedly support their quiet trip down to the courthouse to right an atrocious legal wrong.  I will NOT support them having another big fancy wedding.  I will never support someone who does the legal part and THEN the frilly party.
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    I agree wholeheartedly with this scenario, however, I don't consider a legal impossibility to be "red tape".  This is also the one and only time I'm good with a legal ceremony is one state and a commitment ceremony in another.
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  • I'm on the law abiding team here. Your wedding is the date you sign the papers. In the US, most ordained ministers are able to marry people legally. Many jurisdictions allow other officiants to be licensed, whether via the Internet or whatever. In my mind then, the religious and legal are pretty much one and the same as they overlap. The ONLY exception is for those who face discrimination and unfortunately, do not have the legal right to marry.
  • What about a situation where the marriage license gets misplaced?

    I knew a couple once who got married on a Saturday, and then after the ceremony, when they and the officiant went to go find the license so everyone could sign it, it was nowhere to be found. It turned up the next day (it ended up in the florist's van somehow), so the bride and groom met up with the officiant on Monday, and everyone signed.

    I don't know if they dated it the Monday or just dated it the Saturday.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_legally-married-one-day-before-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:f17a176a-435d-4ab6-b489-ec040c3b611fPost:9d727fa7-f121-428e-a2fb-9f54058b2d22">Re: Legally married one day before ceremony</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony :   The couple that went to a different state confuses me. They are not a gay couple, but they didn't want to get married in the state they lived in because it did not allow gay marriage? Even though that's potentially still the state they live in, pay taxes to, and receive the marital benefits from?
    Posted by aurianna[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>My brother and SIL got married legally in the state they live in that allows gay marraige, but had their ceremony in a state that did not allow it.  Everyone was very much aware of the situation and all involved fully supported that decision to get married that way.  I think whatever the couple choses is what's important.  As long as there is 100% transparency involved, what's the big deal?  If you have an issue with it as a guest, back out and decline the invitation.  If someone had to do common law for health insurance, was completely transparent with their guests, and families, why is that so wrong?  It shows a huge comittment and dedication of the couple in my opinion.</div><div>
    </div><div>No lying about it and keeping it a secret to just have a PPD as y'all call it is not ok.  In this day and age, why are y'all getting up in arms about other peoples choices they make as a couple/family?  Just because it doesn't follow some internet etiquette doesn't mean it isn't right for that situation.  </div><div>
    </div><div>I would like to see where people are getting their etiquette information from?  Is there a book I should download on my kindle?</div>
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_legally-married-one-day-before-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:f17a176a-435d-4ab6-b489-ec040c3b611fPost:3e2a8e10-b5af-4df9-9f53-60f91c8cdfc2">Re: Legally married one day before ceremony</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : My brother and SIL got married legally in the state they live in that allows gay marraige, but had their ceremony in a state that did not allow it.  Everyone was very much aware of the situation and all involved fully supported that decision to get married that way.  I think whatever the couple choses is what's important.  As long as there is 100% transparency involved, what's the big deal?  If you have an issue with it as a guest, back out and decline the invitation.  If someone had to do common law for health insurance, was completely transparent with their guests, and families, why is that so wrong?  It shows a huge comittment and dedication of the couple in my opinion. No lying about it and keeping it a secret to just have a PPD as y'all call it is not ok.  In this day and age, why are y'all getting up in arms about other peoples choices they make as a couple/family?  Just because it doesn't follow some internet etiquette doesn't mean it isn't right for that situation.   I would like to see where people are getting their etiquette information from?  Is there a book I should download on my kindle?
    Posted by scubamaniac[/QUOTE]

    No, there is no app that can tell you how to treat your friends and family with decency, consideration, and kindness. 
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_legally-married-one-day-before-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:f17a176a-435d-4ab6-b489-ec040c3b611fPost:3e2a8e10-b5af-4df9-9f53-60f91c8cdfc2">Re: Legally married one day before ceremony</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Legally married one day before ceremony : My brother and SIL got married legally in the state they live in that allows gay marraige, but had their ceremony in a state that did not allow it.  Everyone was very much aware of the situation and all involved fully supported that decision to get married that way.  I think whatever the couple choses is what's important.  As long as there is 100% transparency involved, what's the big deal?  If you have an issue with it as a guest, back out and decline the invitation.  If someone had to do common law for health insurance, was completely transparent with their guests, and families, why is that so wrong?  It shows a huge comittment and dedication of the couple in my opinion. No lying about it and keeping it a secret to just have a PPD as y'all call it is not ok.  In this day and age, why are y'all getting up in arms about other peoples choices they make as a couple/family?  Just because it doesn't follow some internet etiquette doesn't mean it isn't right for that situation.   I would like to see where people are getting their etiquette information from?  Is there a book I should download on my kindle?
    Posted by scubamaniac[/QUOTE]

    My momma raised me right.
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