this is the code for the render ad
Catholic Weddings

Great Article on the BCP

Written from a scientific/health perspective rather than moral, but makes many terrific points (that many of the ladies here have pointed out in related posts).

http://nymag.com/news/features/69789/

It's a long article, so here are some of the highlights for those interested:

The Pill (and other hormonal methods of birth control, like the patch and the ring) basically tricks your body into thinking it’s pregnant. The medicine takes control of your reproductive processes, pulsing progesterone and estrogen to suppress ovulation. On the Pill, every woman’s cycle is exactly the same, at 28 days, even though that is rarely the case in nature, where the majority of periods occur every 26 to 32 days but can take up to 40 or even 50 days. This is a nice effect, but it’s not real. And there’s a cost to this illusion, one that the women at the Pierre weren’t discussing.

The fact is that the Pill, while giving women control of their bodies for the first time in history, allowed them to forget about the biological realities of being female until it was, in some cases, too late. It changed the narrative of women’s lives, so that it was much easier to put off having children until all the fun had been had (or financial pressures lessened). Until the past couple of decades, even most die-hard feminists were still married at 25 and pregnant by 28, so they never had to deal with fertility problems, since a tiny percentage of women experience problems conceiving before the age of 28. Now many New York women have shifted their attempts at conception back about ten years. And the experience of trying to get pregnant at that age amounts to a new stage in women’s lives, a kind of second adolescence. For many, this passage into childbearing—a Gail Sheehy–esque one, with its own secrets and rituals—is as fraught a time as the one before was carefree.

Suddenly, one anxiety—Am I pregnant?—is replaced by another: Can I get pregnant? The days of gobbling down the Pill and running out to CVS at 3 a.m. for a pregnancy test recede in the distance, replaced by a new set of obsessions. The Pill didn’t create the field of infertility medicine, but it turned it into an enormous industry. Inadvertently, indirectly, infertility has become the Pill’s primary side effect.

On the Pill, it’s easy to forget the truths about biology. Specifically, that as much as athleticism or taut cheekbones are, fertility is a gift of youth. The body that you wake up with after fifteen or more years on the Pill is, in significant ways, not the one you started out with. With age, body rhythms change. Cystic conditions, endometriosis, and a whole host of complicated ailments are more common. And whatever “irregularities” a woman may have experienced in her teenage years before going on the Pill will likely be around when she goes off it. “Some women who come off the Pill in their thirties are surprised that it takes a few cycles to get their periods back, or that they may have very long cycles, or cycles without ovulation,” says Jill Blakeway, founder of acupuncture center Yinova near Union Square and a co-author of the cult book Making Babies. “The Pill didn’t create these problems: In most cases, the problems were there all the time, but because they were on the Pill, these women were never motivated to deal with them. And now they have a time issue.”

Consequently, a cult market has cropped up catering to women in the process of rediscovering their bodies when they go off the Pill. There are ovulation kits, though they carry a hefty price tag ($30 for a pack of seven tests, while Viagra is covered by health insurance—how revolting), and Whole Foods carries a set of plastic beads with colors that indicate when a woman is fertile and when not.

But the most popular new natural method is the Fertility Awareness Method (FAM)—a more sophisticated version of the rhythm method—which was popularized by fertility guru Toni Weschler, … she’s devoted herself to helping women start their families or just get in touch with their bodies. In some ways, her 400-page book Taking Charge of Your Fertility has become the Our Bodies, Ourselves for our time. Alternately silly, whimsical, and exhaustingly specific, the book was published fifteen years ago and is ranked higher by customers on Amazon than all other books except the third and fourth Harry Potters.

Weschler’s method is precise, though it requires some organization. Every day, women have to take their temperature first thing in the morning with a basal body thermometer and then monitor their “cervical mucus,” which, in addition to being a great name for a riot-grrrl group, is one of the best signals of impending ovulation (monitoring your “cervical position,” which Weschler advises doing in a squatting position, is optional). All this information is written down on “the chart,” a piece of paper with a series of boxes that looks like a primitive Excel document. Cervical mucus (or fluid, the word that Weschler prefers) means that estrogen has risen dramatically and ovulation is about to occur. A rise in temperature tells a woman that she has ovulated. A sudden drop means a period is about to begin.

Sexual freedom is a fantastic thing, worth paying a lot for. But it’s not anti-feminist to want to be clearer about exactly what is being paid. Anger, regret, repeated miscarriages, the financial strain of assisted reproductive technologies, and the inevitable damage to careers and relationships in one’s thirties and forties that all this involve deserve to be weighed and discussed. The next stage in feminism, in fact, may be to come to terms, without guilt trips or defensiveness, with issues like this.



:
«1

Re: Great Article on the BCP

  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
    Knottie Warrior 2500 Comments 25 Love Its First Answer
    edited December 2011
    wonderful article, and a nice plug for TCOYF.

    many points really hit home for me too.  i'm telling you all, 10 years on that thing messed me up.  i encourage anyone who might want a baby some day to get off, the pill and find other methods.  my H and i have talked about trying to get pregnant in the next few months (we're still not 100% sure) but im honestly not sure i can.  so many regrets...
  • edited December 2011
    This quote is very striking: The Pill takes a certain knowledge away from you, and that knowledge is empowering
    Lilypie Second Birthday tickers
  • mica178mica178 member
    5000 Comments Fourth Anniversary 5 Love Its
    edited December 2011
    Great article, thanks Riss!
  • edited December 2011
    While I agree with many points this article makes, I disagree that being on the Pill makes women forget about their biological clock. That's ludicrous, to me. Women are putting off having children until they are ready. That sometimes means that they are older than ideal when they start trying (pill or not) but it doesn't mean it would have been better for them or the baby if they had gotten pregnant when they weren't ready.

    I will say the point about being aware of what is happening in your body is really interesting and something more women should know about.
  • Riss91Riss91 member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 25 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:a2d88f6a-80e2-4697-b90c-9fd8a5b664aa">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]While I agree with many points this article makes, I disagree that being on the Pill makes women forget about their biological clock. That's ludicrous, to me. Women are putting off having children until they are ready. That sometimes means that they are older than ideal when they start trying (pill or not) but it doesn't mean it would have been better for them or the baby if they had gotten pregnant when they weren't ready. I will say the point about being aware of what is happening in your body is really interesting and something more women should know about.
    Posted by Karen's MOH[/QUOTE]

    I think many women are misinformed. They do not realize at all the potential harm they are doing to their system by being on the pill for so long.  They may not forget that they have a biological clock, but they may not realize that the pill may be affecting how well they will be able to achieve pregnancy, when they stop BCP and the clock is turned on again.
  • edited December 2011
    A quick google search came up with one study that says it does not delay conception (HERE) but since it was funded by the makers of Yaz, I'd be interested to see others. I'm not posting that to be argumentative, I really am interested to know.
  • agapecarrieagapecarrie member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 100 Love Its Combo Breaker
    edited December 2011
    I encourage everyone to read "Fatherless". It is a fictional storyline, but all the facts in it are well researched.


  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
    Knottie Warrior 2500 Comments 25 Love Its First Answer
    edited December 2011
    my doctor told me went i went off that it may take a few months to flush the hormone from my system, particularly where i had been on it for so long.  so that to me sounds like the Pill can delay conception.  but theni know some who go off and get pregnant the first month.  but, perhaps they were nto on as long or had breaks during their pill using history.
  • Riss91Riss91 member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 25 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited December 2011
    I was looking at it more broadly - that being on the pill puts your natural reproductive system into a sort of "hybernation". Women used to only be on the pill for about 5 years as they were having children in the mid twenties. Nowadays, women are having children later in life - around 30 yrs old and have been in "hibernation" for more than 10 years. So, coming off the pill at an older age, you're system has been dormant for much longer and you aren't as "healthy" as you would have been at age 25. Therein lies the delayed pregnancy. Older age, possibly weaker system.

    I'd like to see a study done with women practicing NFP vs. women using BCP and comparing their health and fertility.
  • newlyseliskinewlyseliski member
    1000 Comments Fourth Anniversary Combo Breaker
    edited December 2011

    The other issue with the pill putting your reproductive system into "hibernation" is that it masks any reproductive and hormone-related health issues that you might have.  Doctors prescribe the pill for just about everything from bad PMS, to period-related headaches to amennorhea... it's pretty lazy of them, in my opinion. If I hadn't had any moral issues with ABC to begin with and fought for an alternative, I may have been going on almost 10 years of the pill at this point (initially for amennorhea when I was 16) with un-diagnosed thyroid cancer and PCOS to boot.  I know so many girls whose doctors gave them no other option...

    Hang in there Calypso!! 

  • edited December 2011

    Good article. After reading this and other articles about how the pill can cause harm and cause fertility problems after coming off of it, I have decided that if I want any chance at having kids I better get off of it now. I am interested in switching to a NFP method and have made an appointment with my Gyno to discuss my options. I just know that after I come off of it I'm going to be extremely paranoid about becoming pregnant before the wedding.


    Maya
    (ISSR Shiloh Shepherd)
    image
    wedding websites
  • edited December 2011
    Thank you for posting that.
  • Riss91Riss91 member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 25 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:f813cf8c-e826-472d-b7b6-f0cdee612566">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]Good article. After reading this and other articles about how the pill can cause harm and cause fertility problems after coming off of it, I have decided that if I want any chance at having kids I better get off of it now. I am interested in switching to a NFP method and have made an appointment with my Gyno to discuss my options. I just know that after I come off of it I'm going to be extremely paranoid about becoming pregnant before the wedding.
    Posted by annagtz82[/QUOTE]

    I was a bit nervous with NFP at first...but I assure you it is not that difficult and you really can be very certain when you can and cannot get pregnant. I hope your gyno is open to your ideas. Many of them have no idea how many people successfully use NFP. Let us know if you have any questions - there's a wealth of NFP knowledge on this board!
  • lburkey21lburkey21 member
    Fifth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:f813cf8c-e826-472d-b7b6-f0cdee612566">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]Good article. After reading this and other articles about how the pill can cause harm and cause fertility problems after coming off of it, I have decided that if I want any chance at having kids I better get off of it now. I am interested in switching to a NFP method and have made an appointment with my Gyno to discuss my options. I just know that after I come off of it I'm going to be extremely paranoid about becoming pregnant before the wedding.
    Posted by annagtz82[/QUOTE]

    Me too! I've been thinking about switching to NFP a lot lately (i've been on some form of BC for 10 years now) but I'm so paranoid that I'm not going to do it right, I won't be able to understand my chart....of course my biggest fear is getting pregnant before we're ready. I know I need to just make the switch but pulling the trigger and actually doing it is much harder than I thought it would be!
    Daisypath Anniversary tickers

    Lauren's book recommendations, liked quotes, book clubs, book trivia, book lists (to-read shelf)Follow Me on Pinterest

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:e14f08a3-8722-48f3-b373-ca18e3f775ec">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]my doctor told me went i went off that it may take a few months to flush the hormone from my system, particularly where i had been on it for so long.  so that to me sounds like the Pill can delay conception.  but theni know some who go off and get pregnant the first month.  but, perhaps they were nto on as long or had breaks during their pill using history.
    Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

    I was on in 9 years when I stopped. We were even using condoms that month and I still got pregnant that very first month I was off the pill.
  • mica178mica178 member
    5000 Comments Fourth Anniversary 5 Love Its
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:08d5ec44-f962-4ab4-b116-2ca6ac7d91ca">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Great Article on the BCP : I was on in 9 years when I stopped. We were even using condoms that month and I still got pregnant that very first month I was off the pill.
    Posted by IrishBrideND[/QUOTE]

    <div>I'm wiping my forehead in relief.  H and I have been talking about BC for a while, and I'm getting off it next month and switching to NFP.  I'm crossing my fingers that my insides are still okay.  (And I'm crossing mine for you too, Calypso!)</div>
  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
    Knottie Warrior 2500 Comments 25 Love Its First Answer
    edited December 2011
    thanks...  i feel like my uncertainty about whether i'm "ok" is suddenly making me want a baby.   you know the whole "you always want what you cant have" thinking.  its been on my mind alot lately. 
  • edited December 2011
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070221065200.htm

    Here is a study that finds NFP as effective at the Pill... from 2007 though.
  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
    Knottie Warrior 2500 Comments 25 Love Its First Answer
    edited December 2011
    the doctors are total morons (well not all docs).  i had an ob-gyn look at me panicked adn tell me "even though you are charting you can still get pregnant".  i told her "well of course i can if have sex during my fertile time but since i know when i'm fertile that wont be happening" and she still looked at me like i was a nut.  and this is a doctor in boston, one of the best medical areas in the country.  while my own doctor was supportive, she did give me a line of "well, you're 32 and married now, so i assume it wouldnt really be a disaster or a problem for you if you got pregnant".
  • Bec20Bec20 member
    100 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Maybe I'm just being a little slow because I'm sick, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding how BC can cause infertility if you're on it for years.  Even if you used NFP or were abstinent for years, wouldn't you still have a higher chance of infertility if you waited into your 30s to have children?
  • edited December 2011
    Studies generally show that, when practiced correctly, NFP is as effective as the Pill. The problem is that NFP takes self-discipline, which is can be difficult, especially in a society that doesn't always value it.

    Riss, thanks for posting this. It was a fascinating article. For anyone who read the whole article, though, the scenario posed at the end is scary indeed (at least for anyone who believes the Church's teachings about procreation).
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
  • edited December 2011
    Calypso and Mica
    I'm with you guys. I've been on the pill for 10 years. Just went off it to do NFP. I never knew there was anything else. I went on the pill for acne. It had nothing to do with my period whatsoever!
    The women in FI's family have a lot of trouble getting pregnant. thankfully my family hasn't had any trouble. I just hope I'm with them. We aren't trying for a few years yet, but it would still be nice to know it's possible.

    Mica - When I told my doc I was going off the pill because of all the trouble I was having on it, she told me I would probably get pregnant in the next few months when I said I was going to use NFP. Thanks for the confidence Doc! I'm not an idiot and can chart and recognize my signs. FI is on board and we're careful.

    Riss - thank you for the article!!
  • Bec20Bec20 member
    100 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Maybe I'm just being a little slow because I'm sick, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding how BC can cause infertility if you're on it for years.  Even if you used NFP or were abstinent for years, wouldn't you still have a higher chance of infertility if you waited into your 30s to have children?
  • Riss91Riss91 member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 25 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:72e66b0d-153d-417f-831e-7e02f69159db">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]Maybe I'm just being a little slow because I'm sick, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding how BC can cause infertility if you're on it for years.  Even if you used NFP or were abstinent for years, wouldn't you still have a higher chance of infertility if you waited into your 30s to have children?
    Posted by Bec20[/QUOTE]

    I think the idea is that the pill is unnaturally affecting the reproductive system and temporarily turning parts of it off....so when you come off the pill and try to turn them on again, they may not be able to function as well as they would have if they had been operating the whole time. Maybe somewhat analagous to a piece of machinery that is sitting around unused for 10 years - when you go to start it up, it might not work as it did the last time it was used.  Meanwhile, a twin version of that machine that has been puttering along this whole time is still up-and-running. That's the best comparison I can come up with on a Friday after a long week <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:72e66b0d-153d-417f-831e-7e02f69159db">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]Maybe I'm just being a little slow because I'm sick, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding how BC can cause infertility if you're on it for years.  Even if you used NFP or were abstinent for years, wouldn't you still have a higher chance of infertility if you waited into your 30s to have children?
    Posted by Bec20[/QUOTE]

    You're right that as you age your fertility slowly declines as well however, the pill also masks any problems you might otherwise be experiencing. So instead of treating a problem, it hides the symptoms. Much like Tylenol doesn't cure a  headache, just hides the pain. So if you've been hiding problems for 10 years - where does that leave you?
    Lilypie Second Birthday tickers
  • mica178mica178 member
    5000 Comments Fourth Anniversary 5 Love Its
    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_great-article-bcp?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:80eccaab-3880-4f15-aa69-8cb686919828Post:b82464e0-2f4b-420c-be58-714b0393312e">Re: Great Article on the BCP</a>:
    [QUOTE]Calypso and Mica I'm with you guys. I've been on the pill for 10 years. Just went off it to do NFP. I never knew there was anything else. I went on the pill for acne. It had nothing to do with my period whatsoever! The women in FI's family have a lot of trouble getting pregnant. thankfully my family hasn't had any trouble. I just hope I'm with them. We aren't trying for a few years yet, but it would still be nice to know it's possible. Mica - When I told my doc I was going off the pill because of all the trouble I was having on it, she told me I would probably get pregnant in the next few months when I said I was going to use NFP. Thanks for the confidence Doc! I'm not an idiot and can chart and recognize my signs. FI is on board and we're careful. Riss - thank you for the article!!
    Posted by mcdol3[/QUOTE]

    I know!  H and I were talking about how NFP is never taught in medical schools, so most doctors just don't know how to react to patients saying that that's their birth control method.  We were taught about the old "rhythm method" which assumed every woman had 28 day cycles with the ovulation day exactly 14 days after the first day of the last menses.  The rhythm method isn't especially effective because our bodies don't read the medical books and follow the "rules."  So I can see a doctor getting confused and giving you advice about not using the rhythm method as birth control.

    (For the record, I went on the Pill for dysmenorrhea.  Hopefully now that I'm not an adolescent, that'll have automatically resolved, but at least I'll be off the medication and have a chance to get a real diagnosis.)
  • edited December 2011

    I see both sides of the discussion (I'm a BCP taker/supporter), but here's something to keep in mind too. Women for years have either been able or unable to have children. Before the Pill, women used NFP or something similar I would assume or they went without and either had kids or didn't. The fact is, some women on this board or others on TK just may be infertile, period. Or their husbands may be. And I'm sure in this day and age with all the pros & cons to any medicine and side effects or risks that come with any meds, it's easy to "blame" it on the pill. But it may just be that some people aren't meant for that. And may be meant for something else (adoption, mentoring, fostering etc). And I assume most of us in our youth were never TRYING to get pregnant so we never knew aside from how "normal" our periods were or weren't before the Pill if we were actually able to conceive.

    My point is just that I understand concerns and I understand women wishing they hadn't taken the Pill, but in most cases there would be no way to know if you are fertile or not til you try. Good luck to those who are trying and want to, and remember that if it doesn't happen, be open to other options. FWIW, I have been on the Pill 20 yesrs ( I am 40) and times i did go off, my periods resumed normalcy immediately. (But that doesn't mean I could or would conceive, just to clarify, just saying I was on the spot normal immediately.)

    Crosswalk
  • mica178mica178 member
    5000 Comments Fourth Anniversary 5 Love Its
    edited December 2011
    I'm going to chime in with a slightly less biased source:

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/oral-contraceptives

    http://www.uptodate.com/patients/content/topic.do?topicKey=~MOOtExZZAsr9NM#H25 (I love it how they say that women with irregular menses should not be started on the Pill until they've had their problem worked up -- how often does that happen?)
  • agapecarrieagapecarrie member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments 100 Love Its Combo Breaker
    edited December 2011
    I thought I posted somewhere about an organization (I think it was world health O) that declared the pill a Class 1 carcinogen
This discussion has been closed.
Choose Another Board
Search Boards