XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some)

s-aries8990 · January 2013

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_xp-gay-and-catholic-possibly-offensive-to-some?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:5c5707d9-32d1-4c44-8ab4-e86dfd10a5bdPost:f338f5ad-8ce8-459b-88cf-f007c7568bd5">Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some) : These two men, no matter how wonderful, kind, and loving are not in communion with the Catholic Church. To identify as a Catholic in that case is misleading. <strong>Are you just coming onto this thread to stir up trouble? I don't think any of the Catholic brides go onto the Gay Weddings board to express our opinions about same sex marriage. </strong>
Posted by TXKristan[/QUOTE]

I don't feel this is the case. There are many homosexual people who were raised Catholic and believe in the mission of the Church, but cannot be part of the Church because of their personal faith construct - wanting to have a life partner. I know that until recently, I was unaware of the full doctrine (ETA: and still learning) but lurking here has opened my eyes. Now, I'm still struggling with my faith, I'm NEY and young but am not sure whether or not Catholicism is right for me as my personal beliefs are not in line with the Church doctrine. They aren't necessarily touble makers, just uninformed.

OP, as I stated before, I think that the couple should include rituals, songs and readings that they find personal meaning in - the same advice I would give any one. Don't do something just because it's "Catholic" and it's what happens at a "Catholic" wedding. ETA: Doing that would be performing empty rituals, and I find that offensive. It would be like me wanting a Hindu ceremony just because they are beautiful even though I'm not nor plan to be Hindu.

Riss91 · January 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some) : I don't feel this is the case. There are many homosexual people who were raised Catholic and believe in the mission of the Church, but cannot be part of the Church because of their personal faith construct - wanting to have a life partner. I know that until recently, I was unaware of the full doctrine (ETA: and still learning) but lurking here has opened my eyes. Now, I'm still struggling with my faith, I'm NEY and young but am not sure whether or not Catholicism is right for me as my personal beliefs are not in line with the Church doctrine. They aren't necessarily touble makers, just uninformed. OP, as I stated before, I think that the couple should include rituals, songs and readings that they find personal meaning in - the same advice I would give any one. Don't do something just because it's "Catholic" and it's what happens at a "Catholic" wedding. ETA: Doing that would be performing empty rituals, and I find that offensive. It would be like me wanting a Hindu ceremony just because they are beautiful even though I'm not nor plan to be Hindu.
Posted by sydaries[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your thoughts and please stick around! I have learned more fromt he women on this board than I learned about the faith all through my catechism classes. I would strongly recommend reading Christopher West's Theology of the Body as it will explain that those who aren't called to be in heterosexual relationships/marriage can have a "partner" in life. That partner is God and His Church and is the pinnacle of life. It is the "ultimate" marriage. I cannot explain it as well as Christopher West does, so definitely check out the book - it was not difficult to get through!

s-aries8990 · January 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some) : Just to be clear, I was referring to RetreadBride coming here and saying the couple should use whatever tradition they want.
Posted by TXKristan[/QUOTE]

Oh, I thought you were referring to OP.

s-aries8990 · January 2013

Riss, I just might check that out. I still need to do some soul searching. I do have some major disagreements with doctrine, but I respect it. I understand why it is what it is, I fully understand the reasoning and I support that it is the belief of others, but there are certain things I am not sure if I'm on board with because of my own, logical and well-thought reasoning.

It's about treating the beliefs of others with the utmost respect and not going into their "home" and disregarding their beliefs.

chelseamb11 · January 2013

Am I the only one that feels like those who preach "tolerance" are the most intolerant of all if you don't agree with them?

Riss91 · January 2013

Definitely read the book. It's written in simple language and is very straight forward.

agapecarrie · January 2013

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[QUOTE]Riss, I just might check that out. I still need to do some soul searching. I do have some major disagreements with doctrine, but I respect it. I understand why it is what it is, I fully understand the reasoning and I support that it is the belief of others, but there are certain things I am not sure if I'm on board with because of my own, logical and well-thought reasoning. It's about treating the beliefs of others with the utmost respect and not going into their "home" and disregarding their beliefs.
Posted by sydaries[/QUOTE]

<div>I hope you will get the books suggested here. I use to have my own views that were contrary to church teaching, and had never learned why and what's behind it. When looking at the big picture, they are all connected and can't exist without each other.</div><div>
</div><div>The assumption of mary (an ex cathedra dogma one must believe) is closely connected to the teaching on birth control. One can't believe one without the other.</div><div>
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femme55 · January 2013

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[QUOTE]The assumption of mary (an ex cathedra dogma one must believe) is closely connected to the teaching on birth control. One can't believe one without the other.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

Could you give a cliff notes version as to how the assumption is related to the birth control issue?

agapecarrie · January 2013

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_xp-gay-and-catholic-possibly-offensive-to-some?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:5c5707d9-32d1-4c44-8ab4-e86dfd10a5bdPost:70be4d9c-eb69-47a4-b83a-590701eee8fe">Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: XP: Gay and Catholic (Possibly offensive to some) : Could you give a cliff notes version as to how the assumption is related to the birth control issue?
Posted by femme55@hotmail.com[/QUOTE]

<div>No way to do cliff notes on this. The books recommended are a good start.</div><div>
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</div><div>The thing to remember here is that do we believe Christ when He promised the Holy Spirit would prevent the church from teaching error. I believe Him. </div>

Calypso1977 · January 2013

It's about treating the beliefs of others with the utmost respect and not going into their "home" and disregarding their beliefs.

i agree with this, but in this very example, i feel that the couple OP talks about is attempting to indirectly come into the Catholic church and showing disrespect/disregard for its beliefs. again, we are supposed to be "tolerant" but others never seem to have to be tolerant of us.

oh, and a common assumption is that "tolerance" means "acceptance". i personally do not accept the actively gay lifestyle, but i tolerate my friends and family who have chosen to live in this manner because i love them.

Riss91 · January 2013

Honestly, I don't think this is going to be productive because we are not trained well enough to explain these sensitive subjects in a way that is receptive. It is likely (as has alrady happened here) that we will all try our best and be misunderstood.

I think it would be best to read the books suggested because they do a wonderful job at clearing things up.

I'm going to close this thread, but if anyone wants to discuss anything further, feel free to start a new one.

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