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Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! *LONG POST*

Here's a bit of history/info before I get to my question. 

     My BF of 4 yrs and I are set to get married in October, 2013. I'm African-American, he's Caucasian. My father has been absent majority of my life, and the few memories that I have are downright awful, but for the sake of releasing bitterness, I forgave him. We've shared maybe 15 emails, and fewer phone calls over the span of 4 years. During one of our phone conversations, I asked my dad if he's racist, he immediately said no, but I clearly remember him having racist conversations with his friends and spewing hate to me at an early age. I didn't press it any further, I just made note of him being a liar, among other things, and took anything else that he said with a grain of salt. (Besides, people can change, right?)

   Fast forward 2 years, we're in October of 2012. I prematurely asked my dad via email if he'd be interested in coming to our wedding, and also asked if he'd be bringing any guest. I was appalled when he replied with a list of 12 people, including his soon to be wife and my grandfather, both whom I've never met. I know that it's my fault for being a bit vague, but I honestly thought he had the sense and decency to not send an entire list of people based on our history. I felt anger, confusion, guilt, and a host of other emotions, so I decided not to reply to the email until I was able to sort through all of the emotions. Well, about a month ago, I saw my dad for the first time in 7 years, and my FI met him for the first time ever (I've known my FI for 14 years). It was really awkward, and the awkwardness intensified when he mentioned the email I never replied to. He was telling me how he feels awful for not being able to pay for the wedding (my mom is paying for the venue & caterer, everything else FI & I will be paying for). I've been hearing this from him throughout my entire life, so once again, I pushed his comment aside, and didn't address the email.
       About a week after seeing him, he called me just to chat, and I finally told him that I have apprehensions about him coming to the wedding. His reply was downright strange, but to sum it up he said he's okay with not being invited. A complete lie! A little later in the conversation, again I asked him if he's racist, he said yes with the exception of my FI & my FMIL. That sealed the deal, his name was scratched from the guest list, but for some reason, I feel guilty for not inviting him. I've come to the conclusion that I don't really like him as a person, and that's aside from all that he has and has not done. If he weren't my dad, I'd never associate with, but for some reason, I still can not shake the guilt for not inviting him. I do want all of my guest to safely enjoy themselves, and his presence may jeopardize that.

       Am I wrong for not wanting him there? There's a lot more to the story, and I have another question to post relating to this situation, but depending on the advice that's given for this question, I may not need to ask.

Re: Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! *LONG POST*

  • Well, once you've invited someone, it's typically considered bad taste to uninvite them. This sounds like a more complex situation than the "typical" times this comes up. I suppose the thing you really have to be concerned about here is how much you're interested in trying to forge ties with your father and how much you're interested in having a wedding guest list that you know supports you and your FI during this happy time.

    I suppose I'm not particularly worried over your father's admission that he would characterize himself as racist because it could be that he's just willing to talk about his prejudices when some others might not be. However, if you believe that he might prevent your other guests from "safely enjoy[ing] themselves," I do think that's a valid reason to not invite him.

    I don't think you can be wrong for not wanting him there--you're allowed to feel however you feel about this. I wouldn't judge a bride for not inviting a father she wasn't close to. And I don't think either decision would be worth regretting afterward--after all, there are so many more important people who will definitely be involved.

    I would suggest, finally, that you not talk further on this topic with your father until you have made a decision. If you decide not to invite him, don't mention the wedding again.
  • LOL @ inviting my future stepmom! Thanks to the both of you for the solid advice. I'm pretty confident that I won't be inviting him, so I'll be sure not to speak of the wedding if interact between now and then.
  • I don't think you have to invite him at all, but if you do invite him you must invite his significant other too. 

    Couples are an all-or-nothing deal. 

    I wouldn't invite him personally, but that's your call. 
  • I don't think you are wrong but at the same time you need to really think it through because you sound like you are having some doubts about changing your mind. The info you gave goes from inviting him, to him giving a list of people you don't want there, to not inviting him at all. It seems like something in the middle is missing..
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_interracial-marriage-my-dads-a-racist-long-post?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:381995ef-5090-4d70-bde4-7d5f53b9f41cPost:f7a02db7-0df4-427f-98e5-2d621879a4d2">Re: Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! *LONG POST*</a>:
    [QUOTE]Racist or not, you said you wouldn't associate with him except that you share some DNA. From that, I probably wouldn't invite him. If you decide to invite him, I'd make sure to invite your future step mom.
    Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]

    <div>This.  If you decide to invite him, the rest of his guest list can be skipped, but you really do need to include his SO.</div>
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_interracial-marriage-my-dads-a-racist-long-post?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:381995ef-5090-4d70-bde4-7d5f53b9f41cPost:be3a99a7-d735-447a-9ad1-8caeae569628">Re:Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! LONG POST</a>:
    [QUOTE]I don't think you are wrong but at the same time you need to really think it through because you <strong>sound like you are having some doubts about changing your mind. The info you gave goes from inviting him, to him giving a list of people you don't want there, to not inviting him at all. It seems like something in the middle is missing..</strong>
    Posted by lodonnell616[/QUOTE]


    When I sent him the email, I thought he'd bring along one of my aunts or uncles, not 12 other people that he hasn't bothered to introduce me to in 25 years. His reply email was full of entitlement, but I was still leaning towards having him as a guest, but telling him that he's limited to bringing one of my aunts or uncles (I understand the whole social unit argument, but his soon to be wife isn't invited under any circumstance, nothing could have changed my stance on that).

    The middle part that I didn't really elaborate on was our first time seeing each other in 7 years & the phone conversation that followed. He didn't even realize it had been 7 years! That followed by a few remarks that he made during our phone conversation (including the remark about his racism) helped me determine that I do not want him there. My main struggle is that I claim to have forgiven him for his misdeeds, but in a way, I feel like I'm still penalizing him by not allowing him to come. After thinking of the safety of my guest (FI family, my mom, younger brother & a few other people, I feel validated in not inviting him). He says that he's no longer the violent person that he once was, but for some reason I do not believe him. It's confusing, I know, especially being that you all are without our history.  In all, I just want to be sure that I'm not inviting him because I genuinely believe him to be a threat (which I do). Thanks for helping me think/type through everything & see the situation clearly.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_interracial-marriage-my-dads-a-racist-long-post?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:381995ef-5090-4d70-bde4-7d5f53b9f41cPost:bfe4be53-8b75-4568-b123-1ddd5d13f838">Re:Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! LONG POST</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:Interracial Marriage, My Dad's a Racist! LONG POST : When I sent him the email, I thought he'd bring along one of my aunts or uncles, not 12 other people that he hasn't bothered to introduce me to in 25 years. His reply email was full of entitlement, but I was still leaning towards having him as a guest, but telling him that he's limited to bringing one of my aunts or uncles (I understand the whole social unit argument, but his soon to be wife isn't invited under any circumstance, nothing could have changed my stance on that). The middle part that I didn't really elaborate on was our first time seeing each other in 7 years & the phone conversation that followed. He didn't even realize it had been 7 years! That followed by a few remarks that he made during our phone conversation (including the remark about his racism) helped me determine that I do not want him there. My main struggle is that I claim to have forgiven him for his misdeeds, but in a way, I feel like I'm still penalizing him by not allowing him to come. After thinking of the safety of my guest (FI family, my mom, younger brother & a few other people, I feel validated in not inviting him). He says that he's no longer the violent person that he once was, but for some reason I do not believe him. It's confusing, I know, especially being that you all are without our history.  In all, I just want to be sure that I'm not inviting him because I genuinely believe him to be a threat (which I do). Thanks for helping me think/type through everything & see the situation clearly.
    Posted by CallMeMrsBplz[/QUOTE]

    Stage hit the nail on the head.  Also, it is entirely possible to forgive someone for their misdeeds and yet choose to not involve them in your life for your own peace and tranquility and happiness.  You are simply accepting that though you care for them, you cannot and have no interest in attempting to change them.  They have chosen their path and way of living their life.  You have chosen yours.  At this point in your life, the two paths are on divergent tracks.  And that's ok.  Do what is best for you.  Let him do what is best for him.  If one day you all end up on the same page you can broach a reconciliation then.  You can even still love him.  Because he is still your father and those feelings don't just leave.  But your love for him will be from afar right now.  In the meantime, focus on enjoying your engagement and loving your FI.  Congrats!
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    Just because someone is family doesn't mean they automatically get an invitation. Shared DNA =/= a relationship. If you feel like having your father there would do more bad than good, don't invite him.

    Technically, you've already invited him but given the circumstances I would forego sending an invitation. 
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  • Zanster really expressed all her wonderful thoughts so eloquently. I've read them three times now.
  • I totally get wanting him there, but at the same time not wanting him there.
    I mean, he's your father, so there is that lingering emotional attachment there. But it sounds like you want a father, but not him as a father.
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    again I asked him if he's racist, he said yes with the exception of my FI & my FMIL.
    To be fair, it sounds like he would be making an attempt to look past his prejudices, which is more than I can say for another huge other group of people.

    Either way, racist or not, it honestly sounds like you don't really want a relationship with him. Etiiquette says you should invite him, but it's not, like, a law or anything.

    Out of curiosity, why is his SO automatically crossed off the list?
    When I sent him the email, I thought he'd bring along one of my aunts or uncles, not 12 other people that he hasn't bothered to introduce me to in 25 years.
    This, along with most of the rest of your post makes me think you were seeking out family, maybe to become close with them again? I'm honestly curious because my family is cray cray and I know other people in similar situations to me tend to cling to hope that their family will come back and everything will be unicorns and puppies. I like unicorns and puppies, so I'm wondering if you're like me.
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  • i would invite him and his wife, but you are not under any obligation to invite anyone else from his list. 

    chances are, he wont come anyway, but you can always say you did the right thing by inviting him.
  • OP, if you do invite him, you MUST invite his Mrs.-To-Be. I mean, if someone invited you but specifically and purposefully did not invite, FI that would be a huge breach of etiquette, right? It's the same sort of thing.

    BUT, that's only if you do invite him. I agree with Calypso- don't feel obligated to invite anyone from his list.
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