What do you think the punishment should be

ricksang · September 2010

for someone who abuses an animal? Should there be different levels of punishment like there is for humans?

ExpatPumpkin · September 2010

Yes, as far as I'm concerned Michael Vick should still be in prison. Maybe 20 years for what he did?

526SadieSadie · September 2010

Punishment of anything defenseless should be much more harsh than it is. Children, Animals & the Elderly

kpwedkk · September 2010

The abuser gets time in an arena full of pit bulls, at least, and isolation from the rest of the inmates in prison for a very long time!

ricksang · September 2010

Yeah he did not deserve to be back on a professional football league.

maratea · September 2010

Death. And I'm quite serious. Animals can't understand what's happening to them, and when they do something wrong, it's not because they wanted to. They obviously don't know the difference between right and wrong.

Plus, if a murderer or rapist apologizes to a victim, atleast the victim can somewhat understand that apology and begin to move on. An animal doesn't understand what's happening and is usually afraid or wary of humans after that. And the animal can't speak or stand up for itself, short of biting and mauling the person.

I think if you spank your dog when you are training it, that's one thing. It's not a good way for the dog to learn, but atleast you are trying to give it a home, you know? But constantly kicking, beating, or throwing puppies in a river (this just happened in Bosnia ), yeah that's different.

ricksang · September 2010

Mar is serious business :P

LesPaul · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Punishment of anything defenseless should be much more harsh than it is. Children, Animals & the Elderly
Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

This. The more defenseless the victim is, the harsher the punishment should be.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

Castration.

Around here a couple years ago, law enforcement found a dead cat on the highway. All his feet and his nose were glued to the pavement.

The sick bastard who did that has never been caught. And all the sick assholes who drove by and did nothing? Fuuck them too.

[Deleted User] · September 2010

AATB, you have just seriously depressed me with that story. I think I'm going to go cuddle with Whisky.

LesPaul · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Castration. Around here a couple years ago, law enforcement found a dead cat on the highway. All his feet and his nose were glued to the pavement. The sick bastard who did that has never been caught. And all the sick assholes who drove by and did nothing? Fuuck them too.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

Oh, this makes me want to cry. Who can do such hideous things to animals? Especially babies - throwing a bag of kittens or puppies on the highway because they were too stupid to prevent the litter, and too lazy to find homes for them.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

I'm sorry Seshat

It's depressing but it's also extremely enraging. Like maratea said - animals don't know if they're doing something wrong and they don't understand when bad things are happening to them. When I heard about that poor cat it seriously made my blood boil. Whoever did that, I sincerely believe, is possessed by demons. Or something.

betrothed123 · September 2010

[Quote] Plus, if a murderer or rapist apologizes to a victim, atleast the victim can somewhat understand that apology and begin to move on. An animal doesn't understand what's happening and is usually afraid or wary of humans after that. And the animal can't speak or stand up for itself, short of biting and mauling the person.[/Quote]
Spoken like someone who has never been a victim of one of these crimes. I love you, Mara, but I cannot at all agree with the bolded statement. I know from experience that not even an apology is enough to stop the total fear of anyone you don't recognize if you've experienced something like that.

I think there should be a sliding scale like any crime perpetrated against a human. I don't think animals should be held in higher regard than humans.

ricksang · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Castration. Around here a couple years ago, law enforcement found a dead cat on the highway. All his feet and his nose were glued to the pavement. The sick bastard who did that has never been caught. And all the sick assholes who drove by and did nothing? Fuuck them too.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cry.gif" border="0" alt="Cry" title="Cry" />

Jelenny · September 2010

YES yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

sorry but it has been proven that serial killiers started on animals....gosh in Ohio (thankfully someone started a facebook page and blog) there is crazy stuff happening all the time. I know it happens everywhere but certain states actually take it seriously.

In Ohio it's a slap on the wrist - right now I am hoping Nitro's bill passes the senate (Nitro and several of his kennel mates were at a boarding/training facility and starved to death).

At least recently in New Orleans the cop was arrested
www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/former-new-orleans-police-officer-sentenced-for-death-of-k-9" target="_blank">http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/former-new-orleans-police-officer-sentenced-for-death-of-k-9

here is the blog on some animal abusers
http://nameandshameanimalabuse.blogspot.com/2010/08/ohio-scum-bag-list-of-animal-abusers.html

The thing is people who don't respect a living being such as a defenseless animal will eventually lose it and harm a human...it's people like this that I cringe when it comes to Craigslist and animals...so many end up in BAD situations (sure there are some genuine people trying to find homes, but they don't know what to look for or have the DNA lists to check) a lot of Craigslist animals can be used for dog fighting, baiting, trunking, or just plain abuse...

hot button topic with me (sorry!)

Jelenny · September 2010

If you check my bio - Mandi and Brady were from some pretty bad neglect situations...

Brady is happy go lucky but has some physical tell-tale signs of poor care..

Mandi....I have had her for over a year becuase even as a puppy she was TERRIFIED of a lot of things, hopefully soon someone will be able to look past her scared shell and know that there is a really wonderful dog in there.

ricksang · September 2010

OMG Jen, that blog is so sad. Who just up and leaves their animals behind. Dang.

Shaye526 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Death. And I'm quite serious. Animals can't understand what's happening to them, and when they do something wrong, it's not because they wanted to. They obviously don't know the difference between right and wrong. Plus, if a murderer or rapist apologizes to a victim, atleast the victim can somewhat understand that apology and begin to move on. An animal doesn't understand what's happening and is usually afraid or wary of humans after that. And the animal can't speak or stand up for itself, short of biting and mauling the person. I think if you spank your dog when you are training it, that's one thing. It's not a good way for the dog to learn, but atleast you are trying to give it a home, you know? But constantly kicking, beating, or throwing puppies in a river (this just happened in Bosnia ), yeah that's different.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. If you're heartless enough to abuse a helpless animal, then in my opinion, you are of NO value to the world.

I watched a PETA video that someone sent me once. I only got about halfway through it, if that. It was showing animals being skinned alive for their fur. I swear on everything that aside from the sadness, I have never felt such rage in my entire life. If I was standing there at the moment that was taking place I have no doubt that I would have killed that guy without blinking.

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I love you, Mara, but I cannot at all agree with the bolded statement. I know from experience that not even an apology is enough to stop the total fear of anyone you don't recognize if you've experienced something like that. I think there should be a sliding scale like any crime perpetrated against a human. I don't think animals should be held in higher regard than humans.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

That's why I said somewhat. And unfortunately yes I have been one of those victims. I didn't mean to generalize or make a blanket statement. Of course, there's always going to be pain and hurt, but animals don't even get the chance to understand what's happening to them, because they can't process it. All they know is that they're getting hurt. BUT, I think this happens with people too. Just not all of them.
Honestly, and I'm sure I'll get flamed 8 ways to tomorrow, I do hold animals in a higher regard that people, but that's my personal belief. I don't know that court is the place to be determining that. I like to think that people are generally good, but I know that's not always the case.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

Jelenny... that blog is breaking my heart right now.

Jelenny · September 2010

Not trying to break anyone's hearts....but a lot of people don't see what I see every day...

...I know I ticked some people off when I mentioned I judge people for not fixing their dogs...and I do, but I do because I see the horrors some animals end up in, and unfortunately it's dismissed ALL THE TIME...

I did have a break down this week and ended up in tears becuase there were many I couldn't help and I didn't feel I was making any difference...but in the end I am cleaning up after the general public who lives in the "ignorance is bliss" group...they don't know, don't want to know so it doesn't exist....but it does

Marartea if you get flamed I am so right there with you!

ricksang · September 2010

OMG I am watching the Nitro foundation video, bad idea.

missy68 · September 2010

I'm with B on this one. Sliding scale but definitely punishment. This is one of the reasons I quit watching the news years ago.

Jelenny · September 2010

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[QUOTE]OMG I am watching the Nitro foundation video, bad idea.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I am really really hoping this passes Senate as well as the Puppy Mill bill (buh bye mills if that is the case!)....we would still have to fight dog auctions though (not much better than mills)

maratea · September 2010

Jelenny- If I could quit my job and take in all of the strays, abused and shelter animals in my area, I would. I would much rather be around those animals who need love and support than around my coworkers who bitch because it's too hot in the office, their car is breaking down, etc. If there were a financially feasible way for me to do this, I would. I'd also need to move to a place with more land. Our tiny backyard wouldn't be sufficient.

Jelenny · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Jelenny- If I could quit my job and take in all of the strays, abused and shelter animals in my area, I would. I would much rather be around those animals who need love and support than around my coworkers who bitch because it's too hot in the office, their car is breaking down, etc. If there were a financially feasible way for me to do this, I would. I'd also need to move to a place with more land. Our tiny backyard wouldn't be sufficient.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Where in IN are you? I went to school at DePauw so I helped out the Puntman Co Humane Society, and I currently helpt out Clay Humane in Brazil, IN....unfortunately they only have ONE volunteer at the age of 85! I do what I can but I am not that close...

And trust me (I live on my email at work to forward to get dogs out of high kill shelters and to rescues) if wagging tails and wet noses paid my bills I would be set....but they don't so I am a corporate drone 40 hours a week, and a rescuer the rest of the time <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

betrothed123 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think the punishment should be : That's why I said somewhat. And unfortunately yes I have been one of those victims. I didn't mean to generalize or make a blanket statement. Of course, there's always going to be pain and hurt, but animals don't even get the chance to understand what's happening to them, because they can't process it. All they know is that they're getting hurt. BUT, I think this happens with people too. Just not all of them. Honestly, and I'm sure I'll get flamed 8 ways to tomorrow, I do hold animals in a higher regard that people, but that's my personal belief. I don't know that court is the place to be determining that. I like to think that people are generally good, but I know that's not always the case.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

You're still saying that human can begin to understand though. I disagree. I will never even begin to understand why I was hurt in the way I was. I will never recover from what happened to me. I carry that fear and pain with me every day. If the person that hurt me came up to me today, apologized, and tried to explain I'd punch him in the face. Why does that pain mean less than that of an animal?

[Deleted User] · September 2010

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[QUOTE] Spoken like someone who has never been a victim of one of these crimes. I love you, Mara, but I cannot at all agree with the bolded statement. I know from experience that not even an apology is enough to stop the total fear of anyone you don't recognize if you've experienced something like that.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

Yep, I totally agree with this. They could apologize until they're blue in the face, and I'll still look over my shoulder every single day waiting for something bad to happen again. Even worse when they've already made promises to come back for you.

This is probably why I hold most animals in a higher regard than people. Not all animals and not all people, but for the most part I empathize more with animals.

ricksang · September 2010

How do you starve 8 animals to death especially since they are someone else's animals. MS tried to pass stricter animal cruelty laws but the bill did not pass, which I don't understand.

Steph0871 · September 2010

I definitely don't think people who abuse animals should have higher punishments than child abusers. Sure, they can apologize to a child... but the kid still doesn't know what was happening either.

Did you know there were animal protection laws before there were child protection laws in a lot of states?

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think the punishment should be : Where in IN are you? I went to school at DePauw so I helped out the Puntman Co Humane Society, and I currently helpt out Clay Humane in Brazil, IN....unfortunately they only have ONE volunteer at the age of 85! I do what I can but I am not that close... And trust me (I live on my email at work to forward to get dogs out of high kill shelters and to rescues) if wagging tails and wet noses paid my bills I would be set....but they don't so I am a corporate drone 40 hours a week, and a rescuer the rest of the time
Posted by Jelenny[/QUOTE]

I am in Fort Wayne. Our dog came from my parents' dog, otherwise we would have adopted. And we adopted our kitties from the shelter.

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