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6 years... And she waits for a ring.

One of my best girlfriends from childhood (who I love, but is a mess for a different story) is upset with her sister's boyfriend.

Her sister graduated from nursing school a year ago and has a great job.  Her sister's boyfriend is a sheriff's deputy and he lives several hours away.  They see each other when they can.

And they've been together for six years.

From what my friend tells me, her sister is constantly on her boyfriend's ass about getting engaged and getting married.  After all, they've been together for a very long time, and have great careers.  The next logical step is getting married.  But this guy just isn't interested.

I think that's ok.  I mean, if he doesn't want to, then he won't ask.  I really don't see any point in bothering him with it.  My friend says her sister will not, under any circumstance, leave this guy.  And she says that the boyfriend wants to ask her to marry him, but, he wants to do it on his own terms and when no one expects him to.  Problem is, the longer he waits, the more people expect it.

Personally I probably would have left the guy a long time ago.  I mean, if you love someone, you stick by them... but if she doesn't want to be someone's girlfriend for the rest of her life, she should grow a pair and get out.

Of course, these are all my opinions, and there is no use in talking to her about this - nor is it exactly appropriate. 

What makes a woman stay in a relationship that really isn't going anywhere?  I mean, if both parties are FINE with not getting married, that's great.  But I feel like if one wants to move forward and the other wants to stay put... well... then what's the point?
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  • No advice.  Just some squawking.
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  • You don't have to get married to have a life-long commitment to someone (I think the gay community has proved that).  What would bother me if I were your friend's sister is that they don't live near each other and see each other "when they can".  That sounds like way too casual a relationship to me.  They're obviously both contented on some level with seeing each other when they can or that would have changed in the last 6 years. 
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  • I saw on Oprah most Swedish couples never get married, or get married very late into life. They live together, have children, just don't get married. It doesn't seem to bother them. Sometimes I feel we put a lot of pressure on ourselves and lose sight of the big picture.
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    [QUOTE]You don't have to get married to have a life-long commitment to someone (I think the gay community has proved that).  <strong>What would bother me if I were your friend's sister is that they don't live near each other and see each other "when they can".  That sounds like way too casual a relationship to me.</strong>  They're obviously both contented on some level with seeing each other when they can or that would have changed in the last 6 years. 
    Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, this exactly.

    The fact that they've been together all this time and they still live so far away is what's really bothering her.  I think she's upset that he won't move for her - but then again, it goes both ways.  She could also be looking for a job where he lives, too.
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    [QUOTE]I saw on Oprah most Swedish couples never get married, or get married very late into life. They live together, have children, just don't get married. It doesn't seem to bother them. Sometimes I feel we put a lot of pressure on ourselves and lose sight of the big picture.
    Posted by MarriedInAFever[/QUOTE]

    Fever - this is the precise thing that my friend is so psycho about.  She has been wanting to get married pretty much ever since she had her first boyfriend in seventh grade - and every guy after that was "the one" and when he broke up with her, she was a mess until she found a new guy.  She got married earlier this year in a very rushed, private ceremony - I've never met the guy, but her brother tells me he's kind of a douche.  But all she's ever wanted in life is to get married, so I guess she got what she wanted - never mind that the guy's a tool.

    But it really grinds her gears that her sister's had this boyfriend for so long and he just hasn't "manned up" yet.  I guess it's not that surprising though, since she's obsessed with weddings and marriage.
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    [QUOTE]You don't have to get married to have a life-long commitment to someone (I think the gay community has proved that).  <strong>What would bother me if I were your friend's sister is that they don't live near each other and see each other "when they can".  That sounds like way too casual a relationship to me.</strong>  They're obviously both contented on some level with seeing each other when they can or that would have changed in the last 6 years. 
    Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

    Really?  FI and I were in a LDR for 3 and a half years.  We lived 6 hours away from each other and saw each when we could (Because you know, sometimes things like work, school, weather, etc get in the way) but it was still very much a serious and committed relationship.

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  • My sister was with her boyfriend for 20 years before they got engaged.  She'd accepted that they wouldn't get married and was fine with that...

    I do have to say, since they got married she's sooooo much happier.

     

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  • If they're happy, I don't see the problem. It's no one's place to tell someone to "man up" and propose. I had a friend like the one you describe. She started looking at rings as soon as she got a boyfriend and BOUGHT herself a ring about a year into the relationship, gave it to him to give to her. He did and they are now married. It always annoyed when she was on my case about getting married and bragged about her ring.

    People are nutty.
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    [QUOTE]You don't have to get married to have a life-long commitment to someone (I think the gay community has proved that).  What would bother me if I were your friend's sister is that they don't live near each other and see each other "when they can".  That sounds like way too casual a relationship to me.  They're obviously both contented on some level with seeing each other when they can or that would have changed in the last 6 years. 
    Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

    I don't necessarily agree with this.  Almost my entire relationship with Nick has been seeing each other when we can.  It wasn't until he finished school and bought a house, and I moved in that we saw each other on a regular basis.

    I think as long as you are both loyal to each other, it can work.
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  • He's happy - but she's not.  It drives this girl nuts that he won't commit.
    panther
  • If she's not happy, she need to talk to him about it and possibly re-evaluate the situation. But if she's not asking for advice, advice cannot be given and she'll have to figure it out on her own.
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  • Hell, we've been together 4.5 years, we live together, and we're getting married and because of conflicting work schedules, we STILL see each other "when we can."  I'm glad to know my FI and I are in a casual relationship.  That means I can screw other guys, right?

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  • I do feel bad for her - but at the same time (and this is so incredibly bitchy) since she won't take control of the situation, or ask for advice, I get to sit on the sidelines and watch a pretty interesting side show.
    panther
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    [QUOTE]Hell, we've been together 4.5 years, we live together, and we're getting married and because of conflicting work schedules, we STILL see each other "when we can."  I'm glad to know my FI and I are in a casual relationship.  That means I can screw other guys, right?
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]
    I've been married for 2 years and because of H's rotating schedule we're in the same boat.  Wahoo for casual relationships!
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    And betrothed, I'm disgusted with most of the comments that you have posted. I don't think I've ever read such judgmental comments in my life. I'm so lucky that the girls I speak to on theknot are nothing like you...I would've never come on here for ADVICE if I would've encountered a big a bitch as you. I genuinely feel awful for your children or your future children, and I think it would be irresponsible of YOU not to invest in their future therapy sessions starting now. Because trust me when I tell you honey, they're gonna need it. ~jcaruncho2010
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  • I personally would have waited 6 years for DH to propose, so long as I knew he wanted to marry me. I wouldn't have stayed if he said he would never get married. It depends on the relationship. My uncle has been with his FI for 12 years, they just got engaged a few months ago.

    However, I don't think I could be with someone for 6 years and only see him "when I can." That just seems to be asking for trouble, in my opinion.
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    [QUOTE]Hell, we've been together 4.5 years, we live together, and we're getting married and because of conflicting work schedules, we STILL see each other "when we can."  I'm glad to know my FI and I are in a casual relationship.  That means I can screw other guys, right?
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    Haha!  I think what she was talking about was that since there is no real effort on this guy's part to see her MORE than when he can, then maybe that's a problem.  I mean, people do long distance relationships all the time and they can work perfectly fine when both parties are committed.  And many times, couples have an end in sight: like, we have to live apart right now because you have this job and I have this school to finish, or whatever other situation it is.  But usually, even if they're not interested in marriage - a couple would want to be closer to each other than a four hour drive.  It's not the case in all relationships but with this guy, I can almost see it like he keeps her around because he can see her when he wants, and when he doesn't want to, she's far away so he doesn't have to deal with it.
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    [QUOTE]However, I don't think I could be with someone for 6 years and only see him "when I can." That just seems to be asking for trouble, in my opinion.
    Posted by Seshat411[/QUOTE]

    But they're in a LDR.  It's not like they live in the same town and just don't make time for each  other.  Even with the best intentions, it's just not practical or possible to see each other every weekend, or whatever.  For some people LDRs work.  So you can't just automatically say "Oh, they see each other 'when they can' that sounds shady!" 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : But they're in a LDR.  It's not like they live in the same town and just don't make time for each  other.  Even with the best intentions, it's just not practical or possible to see each other every weekend, or whatever.  For some people LDRs work.  So you can't just automatically say "Oh, they see each other 'when they can' that sounds shady!" 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    You and me, same page.

    I could be with Nick even if we weren't married.  We were happy before, during and after the engagement.  As long as we're together, we're happy.  (wow that sounds super cheesy, if you'll excuse me I'm going to throw up now)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : Haha!  I think what she was talking about was that since there is no real effort on this guy's part to see her MORE than when he can, then maybe that's a problem.  I mean, people do long distance relationships all the time and they can work perfectly fine when both parties are committed.  And many times, couples have an end in sight: like, we have to live apart right now because you have this job and I have this school to finish, or whatever other situation it is.  But usually, even if they're not interested in marriage - a couple would want to be closer to each other than a four hour drive.  It's not the case in all relationships but with this guy, I can almost see it like he keeps her around because he can see her when he wants, and when he doesn't want to, she's far away so he doesn't have to deal with it.
    Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

    But does she really have a reason to think this?  My FI wasn't able to move to be closer to me.  That doesn't mean that he didn't care about being committed.  It didn't mean we didn't WANT to be closer.  It just wasn't possible.  What's stopping her from moving for him?

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : But they're in a LDR.  It's not like they live in the same town and just don't make time for each  other.  Even with the best intentions, it's just not practical or possible to see each other every weekend, or whatever.  For some people LDRs work.  So you can't just automatically say "Oh, they see each other 'when they can' that sounds shady!" 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    OP is the one who said they see each other "when they can." I was referencing her. I get that they're in a LDR, but being in one for 6 years just seems weird to me. I don't understand why they wouldn't move closer after so much time. Don't they want to be closer or live together? Doesn't being apart make it harder to really grow closer?

    But I'll admit, I don't get LDRs, I could never do one because I would want to be able to see the person more often than weekends or whenever our schedules allowed. So people who are in them baffle me. I don't mean any disrespect, I just plain don't get it.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : But does she really have a reason to think this?  My FI wasn't able to move to be closer to me.  That doesn't mean that he didn't care about being committed.  It didn't mean we didn't WANT to be closer.  It just wasn't possible.  What's stopping her from moving for him?
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    I don't think she has a reason to think like this.  BUT - she is also pretty unreasonable.  She pressures him constantly to buy her a ring and marry her, and move to where she lives... but yet, there is no effort on her part to look for a job where he lives, either.

    I think compromise is a really important thing, especially in a relationship like a marriage.  I get the feeling from her, and my friend that weddings are the event of the century and if you don't want to get married, you're an idiot.  My friend says all the time how she thinks her sister's boyfriend is being such an asshole because he won't ask her sister to marry him.  Trouble is, he's just not ready.
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  • It's amazing to me how OP seems to have such great insight into the BF's thought process yet the GF has no clue what he's thinking.  (I'm thinking here of how she says he doesn't want to go see her more often.  How do you know that, OP?  How do you know there's not some other reason for the way their relationship is working right now?)

    Some of you ladies are awfully quick to judge this scenario, seemingly because it's not ideal, but keep in mind OP does not have all the facts here.  She's making a bunch of assumptions about what each person involved wants, and how they feel.
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    And betrothed, I'm disgusted with most of the comments that you have posted. I don't think I've ever read such judgmental comments in my life. I'm so lucky that the girls I speak to on theknot are nothing like you...I would've never come on here for ADVICE if I would've encountered a big a bitch as you. I genuinely feel awful for your children or your future children, and I think it would be irresponsible of YOU not to invest in their future therapy sessions starting now. Because trust me when I tell you honey, they're gonna need it. ~jcaruncho2010
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  • Oh no, you're right betrothed123 - I can only really go by what my friend has told me about her sister and this boyfriend.  I actually know them both, too, and he seems like a really funny, really nice guy.  For all I know, my friend is completely overdramaticizing this situation.  Her sister could be just joking around when she says "I so wish he would propose!" and my friend, who is actually VERY quick to make snap judgments, automatically just thinks that he's a deadbeat.

    At any rate, I find it to be an interesting situation.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : Yeah, this exactly. The fact that they've been together all this time and they still live so far away is what's really bothering her.  I think she's upset that he won't move for her - but then again, it goes both ways.  She could also be looking for a job where he lives, too.
    Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

    The next step is to move in together, or at least close by each other.  Anyone can be in a wonderful relationship when they don't see each other often enough to get on each other's nerves.  To marry and live together after 6 years of being so far apart, they might find out they don't like each other as much when they aren't going home to separate places at night. 
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  • I think they should have a baby. Babies solve everything.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : Really?  FI and I were in a LDR for 3 and a half years.  We lived 6 hours away from each other and saw each when we could (Because you know, sometimes things like work, school, weather, etc get in the way) but it was still very much a serious and committed relationship.
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    Yes, really.  While it worked for you, I think we can agree that six years is different than 3 years and the OP doesn't mention anything about school.  If they were both in school, then fine, you live apart until graduation.  In this case, it sounds like neither of them has decided they take the relationship seriously enough to make the next move, the literal move or the figurative one. 
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  • I wasn't talking about all of your long distance relationships, I'm talking about this one in particular.  I never said that LDR's didn't work. 

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    [QUOTE]I think they should have a baby. Babies solve everything.
    Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

    Its true, I couldn't get a diamond, so I got pregnant, and now I have my diamond and I had the perfect wedding...because he had no other choice!
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    [QUOTE]I wasn't talking about all of your long distance relationships, I'm talking about this one in particular.  I never said that LDR's didn't work. 
    Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]
    Yes, because clearly you have enough information about OP's friend's sister's relationship to judge it.
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    And betrothed, I'm disgusted with most of the comments that you have posted. I don't think I've ever read such judgmental comments in my life. I'm so lucky that the girls I speak to on theknot are nothing like you...I would've never come on here for ADVICE if I would've encountered a big a bitch as you. I genuinely feel awful for your children or your future children, and I think it would be irresponsible of YOU not to invest in their future therapy sessions starting now. Because trust me when I tell you honey, they're gonna need it. ~jcaruncho2010
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 6 years... And she waits for a ring. : Its true, I couldn't get a diamond, so I got pregnant, and now I have my diamond and I had the perfect wedding...because he had no other choice!
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    That's my girl!
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