"cultural Catholic" commercial

jfellows82 · June 2012

Has anyone else seen this? It makes me so sad and angry that there is so much misinformation about the Church presented as fact. And it's even worse that they try to make it seem legitimate by having a "Catholic" speaking out against the Church. I find myself yelling at the lady on TV everytime it comes on.

Just needed to vent...thanks!

professorscience · June 2012

I have not seen this... is it on Youtube?

jfellows82 · June 2012

I couldn't find it on Youtube. I've seen it on Fox News at least 3 times this week.

bibliophile2010 · June 2012

I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the kind of thing that would really get my blood boiling.

jfellows82 · June 2012

It's bascially a woman saying she left the Church but she's a "cultural Catholic". She then goes on to say how the bishops are trying to attack and supress women by opposing the HHS mandate. More of the same garbage but somehow more offensive coming from someone claiming to be Catholic.

Riss91 · June 2012

I just wanna say to these people:

"Seriously - JUST DON'T WORK FOR A FRIGGIN CATHOLIC/RELIGIOUS ORG! It is THAT simple! No one is forcing you to work there! Go work somewhere else!"

caitriona87 · June 2012

I don't know why you'd want to work for the Church if you're so antagonistic toward Her anyway.

Calypso1977 · June 2012

i still dont get how they think the mandate is about women's health/rights. its abotu religious freedom. why is this not obvious to people?

Riss91 · June 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_cultural-catholic-commercial?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:0cd2ef46-1292-4f53-acc1-5be45bfd0491Post:31ab614d-acab-4c15-97f2-078846fb6609">Re: "cultural Catholic" commercial</a>:
[QUOTE]i still dont get how they think the mandate is about women's health/rights. its abotu religious freedom. why is this not obvious to people?
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

Because they want to hate on groups that don't agree with their viewpoint, because that viewpoint makes them feel like a bad person...

lalaith50 · June 2012

and the media keeps repeating that over and over...

lalaith50 · June 2012

(and you know, if you SAY something enough times, it actually becomes true...)

;-)

chelseamb11 · June 2012

Crap like this drives me bonkers. Literally bonkers.
Especially as someone who has come BACK to the church by my own choice.

jfellows82 · June 2012

Finally found a link!

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/06/look-for-ffrfs-counter-the-bishops-tv-blitz-airing-now/

HandBanana · June 2012

It is pretty naive and lacking compassion to say that people just shouldn't work for the Catholic church. I wish I could pick who I worked for and didn't have to go somewhere that I am overqualified because I needed health insurance. I just don't understand the inability to see hormonal BC as medicine. It isn't just for pregnancy prevention. My mother had a hysterectomy. A hysterectomy is a form of BC. Should her employeer not have to cover that. What about religions that don't believe in medicine? Should they not have to cover anything for their employees? What if surgery was against the employeers religion?

agapecarrie · June 2012

handbanan, I've already addressed this. The church allows for medicinal purposes. the church's insurance covers hysterectomies if necessary.

The whole problem here is that Catholics believe the there is an actual human person with complete full dignity at conception. Some drugs and abortions actually KILL A HUMAN PERSON, and the mandate is requiring us to pay for them. They are requiring us to be a part of killing human beings. This is Wrong...and it is another holocaust.

Now, contraception that isn't abortive is a step above that, but we also believe that attacks the very person in dignity.

HandBanana · June 2012

In Response to Re::[QUOTE]handbanan, I've already addressed this. The church allows for medicinal purposes. the church's insurance covers hysterectomies if necessary.The whole problem here is that Catholics believe the there is an actual human person with complete full dignity at conception. Some drugs and abortions actually KILL A HUMAN PERSON, and the mandate is requiring us to pay for them. They are requiring us to be a part of killing human beings. This is Wrong...and it is another holocaust.nbsp;Now, contraception that isn't abortive is a step above that, but we also believe that attacks the very person in dignity.nbsp; Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

I am disgusted that you use the term holocaust so easily. You still haven't touched on my point about the religion of employeers. As usual, politicians have manipulated the religious by using a single issue instead of excitement for all of the already born children that will have healthcare.

chelseamb11 · June 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_cultural-catholic-commercial?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:0cd2ef46-1292-4f53-acc1-5be45bfd0491Post:9f9e6ae2-cfef-4c3c-a7a4-d736e0457071">Re:quot;cultural Catholicquot; commercial</a>:
[QUOTE]It is pretty naive and lacking compassion to say that people just shouldn't work for the Catholic church. I wish I could pick who I worked for and didn't have to go somewhere that I am overqualified because I needed health insurance. I just don't understand the inability to see hormonal BC as medicine. It isn't just for pregnancy prevention. My mother had a hysterectomy. A hysterectomy is a form of BC. Should her employeer not have to cover that. What about religions that don't believe in medicine? Should they not have to cover anything for their employees? What if surgery was against the employeers religion?
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]
If it's used as a medicinal reason, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think even Catholic employers/Churches choose to cover it then.

Riss91 · June 2012

I don't think employers should be involved in healthcare at all. That is the root of this problem. a single-user system in the free market would allow the individual to choose and pay for their coverage.

By forcing healthcare into the employers umbrella, the government is not allowing individuals or organizations to choose. Healthcare is part of your compensation package. It's really not in the government's authority to tell an employer how to compensate their employees. the government is really out of control in this regard.

Also - the government is well-equipped to offer coverage for these pills and these procedures. If they feel it is such a big deal to have these accessible, they should offer it directly and NOT force these organizations to violate there religious beliefs or shut down....

In my opinion there is absolutely no way the government isn't the problem in this mess. You want it covered? Blame the government for not having covereage for you. Do not blame an organization. This is NOT necessary medical care. Anything related that is necessary for medical purposes IS covered by these organizations. We are talking about an option/preference.

HandBanana · June 2012

In Response to Re::[QUOTE]In Response to Re:quot;cultural Catholicquot; commercial:It is pretty naive and lacking compassion to say that people just shouldn't work for the Catholic church. I wish I could pick who I worked for and didn't have to go somewhere that I am overqualified because I needed health insurance. I just don't understand the inability to see hormonal BC as medicine. It isn't just for pregnancy prevention. My mother had a hysterectomy. A hysterectomy is a form of BC. Should her employeer not have to cover that. What about religions that don't believe in medicine? Should they not have to cover anything for their employees? What if surgery was against the employeers religion?Posted by HandBananaIf it's used as a medicinal reason, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think even Catholic employers/Churches choose to cover it then. Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

And religions that are anti surgery or medicine? Do they get religious freedom?

jfellows82 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: I am disgusted that you use the term holocaust so easily. You still haven't touched on my point about the religion of employeers. As usual, politicians have manipulated the religious by using a single issue instead of excitement for all of the already born children that will have healthcare.
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>A holocaust is "a mass slaughter of people." Using the term to describe the killing of millions of people through abortion isn't disgusting; it's correct. And while having healthcare is certainly a good thing, having LIFE is even more important. If someone kills you before you're even born, healthcare isn't such an important thing, now is it? </div><div>
</div><div>And the debate isn't about the legal status of BC or abortion, it's about the government trying to force the Catholic church to PAY for BC and abortion.

</div>

Riss91 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: And religions that are anti surgery or medicine? Do they get religious freedom?
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

If you take it out of the employer/organization's control, then this wouldn't be a problem, either.

agapecarrie · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: I am disgusted that you use the term holocaust so easily. You still haven't touched on my point about the religion of employeers. As usual, politicians have manipulated the religious by using a single issue instead of excitement for all of the already born children that will have healthcare.
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

<div>The holocaust is the exact same thing. No kidding. People assign other people as being "less" than them, therefore, take away their rights. This is exactly what is happening with the unborn. In fact, there were about 5, 860,000 jews killed in holocaust. so far we are at 52 million abortions. </div><div>
</div><div>A jewish convert priest in st. louis made the exact same point in the homily.</div><div>
</div><div>Be disgusted if you must. Its the truth. </div>

erin5286 · June 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_cultural-catholic-commercial?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:0cd2ef46-1292-4f53-acc1-5be45bfd0491Post:9f9e6ae2-cfef-4c3c-a7a4-d736e0457071">Re:quot;cultural Catholicquot; commercial</a>:
[QUOTE]It is pretty naive and lacking compassion to say that people just shouldn't work for the Catholic church. I wish I could pick who I worked for and didn't have to go somewhere that I am overqualified because I needed health insurance. I just don't understand the inability to see hormonal BC as medicine. It isn't just for pregnancy prevention. My mother had a hysterectomy. A hysterectomy is a form of BC. Should her employeer not have to cover that. What about religions that don't believe in medicine? Should they not have to cover anything for their employees? What if surgery was against the employeers religion?
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

I don't see how saying "don't work for the Catholic Church if you don't like that the health insurance they provide won't cover certain things" is any different than saying don't work any any other job because you aren't happy enough with the benefits. Lots of people right now have a job that doesn't have great benefits, whether it's a religious organization or not. If top-of-the-line health coverage is an extremely important beneift and would determine which job a person would accept, then that person may have a smaller pool of jobs from which to choose. I don't think it should be required for an employer to provide insurance coverage for every single thing, as long as they're providing adequate or reasonable coverage - especially if the employer is morally opposed to certain things.

As people have stated before, the Church is not necessarily opposed to hormonal BC if its needed for a specific medical reason FIRST, and is the best medicine for that need, and it just happens that preventing pregnancy is a side effect. Using BC only for the purpose of preventing pregnancy isn't OK.

The hysterectomy argument is a little far-fetched. I don't know your mom's medical history, obviously, but I assume she needed that surgery because she was having serious medical problems, not just because she decided to have a hysterectomy so she couldn't get pregnant anymore. Obviously a serious surgery like a hysterectomy, if the person needs it, should be covered by insurance.

shawna127 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: I am disgusted that you use the term holocaust so easily. You still haven't touched on my point about the religion of employeers. As usual, politicians have manipulated the religious by using a single issue instead of excitement for all of the already born children that will have healthcare.
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

according to dictionary.com holocaust:<span><span style="cursor:default;color:#333333;">any mass </span><span style="cursor:default;color:#333333;">slaughter</span> <span>or</span> <span style="cursor:default;color:#333333;">reckless</span> <span>destruction</span> <span>of</span> <span style="cursor:default;color:#333333;">life. I believe that agape did in fact use the term holocaust correctly. Also, HBC is NOT medicine and is in a fact a type I carcinogen. It is used as a means to cover up symptoms, not treat them therefore this is not "health care." </span></span>

chelseamb11 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: <strong>I am disgusted that you use the term holocaust so easily</strong>. You still haven't touched on my point about the religion of employeers. As usual, politicians have manipulated the religious by using a single issue instead of excitement for all of the already born children that will have healthcare.
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

Oh for crying out loud.

holocaust=mass killing/genocide
Holocaust=Hitler/Nazis/killing

<h2 class="def-header"><span>Definition of <em>HOLOCAUST</em></span></h2><div class="KonaBody" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;"><div class="sblk"><div class="snum">1</div><div class="scnt"><span class="ssens"><strong>:</strong> a sacrifice consumed by fire </span></div></div><div class="sblk"><div class="snum">2</div><div class="scnt"><span class="ssens"><strong>:</strong> a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire <span class="vi"><a nuclear <em>holocaust</em>></span> </span></div></div><div class="sblk"><div class="snum">3</div><div class="scnt"><span class="ssens"><em class="sn">a</em> <em>often capitalized</em> <strong>:</strong> the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II —usually used with <em>the</em> </span><span class="ssens"><em class="sn">b</em> <strong>:</strong> a mass slaughter of people; <em>especially</em> <strong>:</strong> <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#000080">genocide</font></u></a> </span></div></div></div>

Riss91 · June 2012

Many employers don't cover dental or vision - why aren't people FREAKING THE HELL OUT about that?

chelseamb11 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:: And religions that are anti surgery or medicine? Do they get religious freedom?
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

Yes, they should.
Nobody forces you to work for a specific employer. If you don't like the benefits/compensation of an employer, either find another job, quit and don't work or deal with it.

HandBanana · June 2012

And chemotherapy is poison. I am disgusted because there is this strange belief that women are running around having tons of abortions or that paying it for it means that will hapen. You must think very little of women and their ability to choose to think there is a holocaust of the unborn.

HandBanana · June 2012

In Response to Re::[QUOTE]Many employers don't cover dental or vision why aren't people FREAKING THE HELL OUT about that? Posted by Riss91[/QUOTE]
You can not win every battle.

Riss91 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]And chemotherapy is poison. I am disgusted because there is this strange belief that women are running around having tons of abortions or that paying it for it means that will hapen. You must think very little of women and their ability to choose to think there is a holocaust of the unborn.
Posted by HandBanana[/QUOTE]

That is a strange belief - and one that doesn't really have any ground in this argument. No one thinks that a women who wouldn't have an abortion will all of a sudden do so simply because she has the coverage.

That isn't the problem. The problem is that those who do want to do these things, shouldn't ask others to pay for them.

shawna127 · June 2012

according to the numbers THERE ARE LOTS OF WOMEN RUNNING AROUND HAVING ABORTIONS. Also, you are in my prayers handbanana, I will say the rosary for you when I get home tonight.

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