What do you think the punishment should be

Jelenny · September 2010

Damn....lol I am really trying to find Rosemary some reinforcements to help her volunteer - they are out in the sticks so it's not like they can do a Petsmart or Petco adoption event regularly....just until a few months ago they didn't even have an area for the dogs to go play...the most they got is a walk from a dirty kennel to a clean one...

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

I can honestly see both sides of humans vs. animals - but really, abusing or murdering, no matter who is the victim, is not okay, and punishment should really fit the crime.

Psychos who murder people are either put away for life or executed because they are scum who shouldn't be in society. But in the same way - I think people who torture or kill animals are also a low form scum as well. I don't like to value human life over animal life, or animal over human life when it comes to punishment. But I think if you're sick enough to actually kill or torture someone or something, then there's something seriously wrong with you, and there's no place for you in the real world.

Hellokatie0517 · September 2010

Jelenny, many thanks for what you do! If there weren't fosters out there like you, I wouldn't have my beautiful Isabelle. She was rescued from a meth lab in South Carolina and brought up to New England. FI and I found her on CL and brought her home the next day. I wish I could foster dogs, but I don't think I could deal with handing them off to their new owners. I guess you have to look at it positively and know that they finally have a forever home.

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think the punishment should be : You're still saying that human can begin to understand though. I disagree. I will never even begin to understand why I was hurt in the way I was. I will never recover from what happened to me. I carry that fear and pain with me every day. If the person that hurt me came up to me today, apologized, and tried to explain I'd punch him in the face. Why does that pain mean less than that of an animal?
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

Obviously it's different for every person, and I can't speak for anyone but myself. I guess what I should have said originally was that I have learned to understand, not completely, not why I was hurt, not why it was me they chose, but why the person did it.

It's a constant battle, but I try to separate myself out of the equation and say "Ok why did this person do this action?", not "Why me?" But that's me.

I know, I sound like I'm backpeddling, and I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a jerk. FWIW, I am truly sorry for whatever it was that happened to you. It's something I never wish on anyone, regardless of who they are.

btrflykate1230 · September 2010

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[QUOTE] Spoken like someone who has never been a victim of one of these crimes. I love you, Mara, but I cannot at all agree with the bolded statement. I know from experience that not even an apology is enough to stop the total fear of anyone you don't recognize if you've experienced something like that. I think there should be a sliding scale like any crime perpetrated against a human. I don't think animals should be held in higher regard than humans.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

Me either. I love animals, but humans lives are more important, IMO.

Jelenny · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Jelenny, many thanks for what you do! If there weren't fosters out there like you, I wouldn't have my beautiful Isabelle. She was rescued from a meth lab in South Carolina and brought up to New England. FI and I found her on CL and brought her home the next day. I wish I could foster dogs, but I don't think I could deal with handing them off to their new owners. I guess you have to look at it positively and know that they finally have a forever home.
Posted by Hellokatie0517[/QUOTE]

Not going to lie the first few adoptions I was balling like a baby - BUT in our adoption agreement we are allowed follow ups so I put it in my mind it's see you later (though I have only seen my previous fosters at events when their new families bring them). I don't need to follow up because I get lots of emails, stories, and know I put them in really good homes...

Fostering isn't for everyone but if you can weather a few bouts of crying and "get used to it" (there will be a few I will cry over like Mandi and Brady) you end up saving more lives...so while I miss my fosters, I know what the back room is like and there are dog that need me to buy them some time...

Jelenny · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I can honestly see both sides of humans vs. animals - but really, abusing or murdering, no matter who is the victim, is not okay, and punishment should really fit the crime. Psychos who murder people are either put away for life or executed because they are scum who shouldn't be in society. But in the same way - I think people who torture or kill animals are also a low form scum as well. I don't like to value human life over animal life, or animal over human life when it comes to punishment. But I think if you're sick enough to actually kill or torture someone or something, then there's something seriously wrong with you, and there's no place for you in the real world.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

I agree....I guess sometimes I swing to the animals above humans because I see so much bad day in and day out and the ones behind it are the humans...

I can't remember where I read the quote or exactly how it went, but it was to the degree that "only animals can suffer so inhumanely that a human is to blame..."

btrflykate1230 · September 2010

I also don't understand how many people can be so against the tortue of animals and eat factory farmed meat. Those animals are tortured from the day they are born.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/773456/how_chicks_hatch_factory_style/

That's how chickens are raised. I mean, I just think it's a little hypocritical to be all "Ohhh the poor animals" but still eat meat. That's all.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think the punishment should be : I agree....I guess sometimes I swing to the animals above humans because I see so much bad day in and day out and the ones behind it are the humans... I can't remember where I read the quote or exactly how it went, but it was to the degree that "only animals can suffer so inhumanely that a human is to blame..."
Posted by Jelenny[/QUOTE]

That's a really interesting quote.

I personally think there's a special place in hell for people like that.

betrothed123 · September 2010

All's good, Mara. YGPM.

maratea · September 2010

B- YGPM.

kpwedkk · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I also don't understand how many people can be so against the tortue of animals and eat factory farmed meat. Those animals are tortured from the day they are born. <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/773456/how_chicks_hatch_factory_style/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metacafe.com/watch/773456/how_chicks_hatch_factory_style/</a> That's how chickens are raised. I mean, I just think it's a little hypocritical to be all "Ohhh the poor animals" but still eat meat. That's all.
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

Thank someone that I'm vegetarian ... going vegan...

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I also don't understand how many people can be so against the tortue of animals and eat factory farmed meat. Those animals are tortured from the day they are born. <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/773456/how_chicks_hatch_factory_style/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metacafe.com/watch/773456/how_chicks_hatch_factory_style/</a> That's how chickens are raised. I mean, I just think it's a little hypocritical to be all "Ohhh the poor animals" but still eat meat. That's all.
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

H and I are "almost vegetarians" meaning we just never cook meat. It's not that I don't enjoy a steak or grilled chicken breast, we just tend to cook more with veggies and pasta. But most of the meat we use is venison that he killed and we butcher ourselves. I occasionally buy steak from the local market, but it's not factory farmed. I think we are going to buy a pig and cow, halfsies with my parents, from a local farmer, then we'll butcher them.

Jelenny · September 2010

AATB agreed!

sometimes I stoop to their level wishing that they would get done to them what they do to the animals, but I suppose that makes me no better, but I would be happy with proper punishment and not just a slap on the wrist.

Nebb · September 2010

I think the punishment should be as harsh as legally possible. I think people who hurt animals in any way are the absolute scum of the earth. There seem to be quite a few sickfucks here in my area. Someone broke into the petting zoo one night recently and shot a bunch of the animals to death with bbguns, cut off a bunch of the bunnies heads and put them on stakes and stole a bunch of baby animals that were never found. It is just absolutely disgusting.

ricksang · September 2010

Nebb omg! Serial killer alert.

Jelenny · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I think the punishment should be as harsh as legally possible. I think people who hurt animals in any way are the absolute scum of the earth. There seem to be quite a few sickfucks here in my area. Someone broke into the petting zoo one night recently and shot a bunch of the animals to death with bbguns, cut off a bunch of the bunnies heads and put them on stakes and stole a bunch of baby animals that were never found. It is just absolutely disgusting.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

i remember emails going around about this in my rescue network...where was that again?

Nebb · September 2010

haha OH GREAT ricks, thats just great. I dont know if you know who Paul Bernardo is? I used to trick or treat at his house when I was a kid. My city doesnt need anymore serial killers.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

Nebb you trick or treated at fucking Paul Bernardo's house! STFU!!!! That's so effing scary...

Nebb · September 2010

Yeah he lived about 7 or 8 houses down the street from my aunt. I have a friend who used to get baby sat by Karla.

jelenny, im in the niagara region in Ontario.

ricksang · September 2010

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[QUOTE]haha OH GREAT ricks, thats just great. I dont know if you know who Paul Bernardo is? I used to trick or treat at his house when I was a kid. My city doesnt need anymore serial killers.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

I do, that's freaky! Did you know is ex wife is as free as a bird now?

Nebb · September 2010

Oh yeah, my city was pretty riled up when she was let out. the general population here want her dead, it really rocked our city when it happened. I was young but I remember it quite clearly.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Yeah he lived about 7 or 8 houses down the street from my aunt. I have a friend who used to get baby sat by Karla. jelenny, im in the niagara region in Ontario.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just... wow.

ricksang · September 2010

She's as sick as her ex-husband. I read the book about them. Gross.

Nebb · September 2010

Theyre both monsters, thats all there is to it.

ricksang · September 2010

Yep. I don't understand that mindset. I hope she doesn't kill again.

Nebb · September 2010

I have a feeling that while they are both monsters, she needs that 2nd party (like bernardo) to actually act on those things. I dont think she would do it alone. Heaven forbid she meet another sicko.

ricksang · September 2010

True. Have you ever watched Wicked Attraction on Discovery ID? They had a show about them and said the same thing you did.

Nebb · September 2010

I havnt, actually. I know there was a movie made and the girl who played donna on that 70s show played Karla, but I never saw that either.

ricksang · September 2010

Oh I love her!

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