AW:work stuff

KendallR10 · September 2011

I got promoted yesterday!!!!!!

I can now start building my team!!!

divinemsbee · September 2011

Congrats! I'm on the job hunt and it is not pretty out here.

ggirl2001 · September 2011

Congrats!

KendallR10 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]Congrats! I'm on the job hunt and it is not pretty out here.
Posted by divinemsbee[/QUOTE]
I promise you the job market is not as bad as people make it out to be

kyrgyzstan · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I promise you the job market is not as bad as people make it out to be
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

<div>Clearly it is for her. And for lots of other people. What evidence do you have that it's not? I'm a recent grad who makes very little $, and I'm grateful for my job, because at least it's a resume builder. I know people who graduated with me (from a great but specialized program) who still work retail. And they're not alone.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: What sort of job is this that you got promoted in?</div>

Victoria2013 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I promise you the job market is not as bad as people make it out to be
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

<div>How could you possibly tell her something like that. You do know it varies area to area...</div>

SamiJoeB · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I promise you the job market is not as bad as people make it out to be
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

That's a really ignorant statement Kendall. It varies greatly in different areas. Besides that, weren't you unemployed? For how long? She just moved to a different state, a state that by the way has the 9th highest unemployment rate in the country, the national unemployment rate is close to 10% with 0 job creation last month. Oregon's rate is up there as well so consider yourself lucky to have a job.

ggirl2001 · September 2011

Um Kendall, for someone trying to get a degree in their field and be able to live off the salary, yes it is a tough job market.

Sure, I could go get a job at Mcdonalds or somewhere else where I make way less money. But guess what? I wouldn't be able to afford to pay my bills. Heck, I took a $4,000 paycut when I moved down South to be with H. So, yes, the job market is tough.

It's statements like these Kendall that make me doubt you again. Why would you even say that someone? That's not sympathy. Sympathy would be "Oh gosh, that sucks, I'm sure you will get one soon". Not "job market isn't that bad" especially when all the facts say, yes yes the job market is tough if you want to make a decent living.

crownsuperstar · September 2011

I work at a university with graduating students and very few of them find a job that is in their field of study that will pay them enough to live off of. Trust me the job market is indeed still very bad. Not to mention in my neighborhood alone there are about 2-3 forelcosures per street and no I don't live in a really high priced neighborhood.

calindi · September 2011

Ugh... congrats, Kendall. But honestly, those pyramid/Ponzi scheme jobs aren't what most people are looking for when they are job hunting.

The job market is totally geographically-dependent and different depending on the field or speciality. Is sales still constantly needing people? Yep, because they burn people out and promise the moon and so they have super high turnover. So they always need people. But there are a lot of people who aren't good at sales or interested in that kind of low base pay, high commission type job. They will promise you so much, but they'll also threaten you like crazy and will fire you the first (or second, at a nice company) time you miss quota. Been there, done that. Quit that rat race and never going back.

SamiJoeB · September 2011

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[QUOTE]<strong>I work at a university with graduating students and very few of them find a job that is in their field of study that will pay them enough to live off of.</strong> Trust me the job market is indeed still very bad. Not to mention in my neighborhood alone there are about 2-3 foreclosures per street and no I don't live in a really high priced neighborhood.
Posted by crownsuperstar[/QUOTE]

My dad teaches IT & Networking, which is one of the fastest growing job markets in the world, and he has students that end up working for the GeekSquad, building computers & a lame retail job, all just to make ends meet. These are students graduating at the top of their classes, Students who know how to write programs, and create software, really intelligent people, who can't find just 1 job that supports them let alone a family..

divinemsbee · September 2011

Yeah, it's definitley better some places than others. I went from UT, where I had a job, a state that has pretty low unemployment considering. Of course, I also had a job because my Mom and Step-Dad know people who would vouch for me. I did a little work during my short time in MS, again because I grew up there and know people, but down here (FL) I know no one. Which makes getting a job in this market extra ridiculous.

I'm not too hung up on getting a job in my absolute field right now (my degree is in the arts, but I have a history minor), although I'm trying to volunteer at theaters and such. I just want something that pays. I'd prefer not to wait tables again, but most of those places aren't hiring anyway because this town is a very resort/summer tourist-based economy. So getting a job as fall approaches in difficult. I'm just filling out online applications for retail now. I'm on the rolls to substitute teach, but a lot of people are trying to do that for the extra money.

I do know that I could never do the whole cold-calling people, selling things out of my home, going door-to-door business. It just seems entirely too stressful and shady, but that's just me (hope that doesn't come off as snobby, that's just how I feel about those).

crownsuperstar · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : My dad teaches IT & Networking, which is one of the fastest growing job markets in the world, and he has students that end up working for the GeekSquad, building computers & a lame retail job, all just to make ends meet. These are students graduating at the top of their classes, Students who know how to write programs, and create software, really intelligent people, who can't find just 1 job that supports them let alone a family..
Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]

Oh my gosh so true! I can't tell you how many of the students I know that have graduated in the past 2-3 years are either bartending (ok good money on some nights), waiting tables, or working at a retail store.

calindi · September 2011

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[QUOTE]I do know that I could never do the whole cold-calling people, selling things out of my home, going door-to-door business. It just seems entirely too stressful and shady, but that's just me (hope that doesn't come off as snobby, that's just how I feel about those).
Posted by divinemsbee[/QUOTE]

I've had one of those jobs, selling payroll for small businesses, and trust me - it's brutal. There's a reason 99% of the people doing those type of jobs are young - they get promised they'll be promoted, earn tons in commissions, etc. This payroll company promised me I'd be making "reasonably" $70k the first year. Ha! I was one of the top sellers in my department, and I didn't even hit $40k (which may be a lot for some areas, but not if you're living in DC as I was - rent alone is over $1100 per month!).

Some hard sales jobs are pretty good - I think I would be willing to work for Pampered Chef, for example. Doesn't mean it's the goldmine they'll tell you it is - but at least they have a solid product and don't mislead their customers. The payroll company would seriously lie to their clients just to get the commission, not caring that they'd cancel their service since it wouldn't count against their sales numbers. Horrible, horrible customer service. I can't work under those business ethics!

KendallR10 · September 2011

A lot of people set their idea of a job wayyy to high. I had a job for a year. quit because I moved. and was unemployed for 3 months. The jobs are out there its just not setting your hopes too high. I have a standard and won't go below that.

kyrgyzstan · September 2011

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[QUOTE]A lot of people set their idea of a job wayyy to high. I had a job for a year. quit because I moved. and was unemployed for 3 months. The jobs are out there its just not setting your hopes too high. I have a standard and won't go below that.
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]
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calindi · September 2011

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[QUOTE]A lot of people set their idea of a job wayyy to high. I had a job for a year. quit because I moved. and was unemployed for 3 months. The jobs are out there its just not setting your hopes too high. I have a standard and won't go below that.
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

Seriously?! Yes, I know someone who is 22 years old and in college and thinks things will fall on her plate. She's turned her nose up at entry level jobs because she "wants to be in charge of something", and that just doesn't happen at that age. But you are once again proving your limited scope of information and making a general statement which is ridiculously idiotic.

You're also contradicting yourself. You say you have a standard and you won't go below it, but that other people set their idea of a job way too high. Sure, I can wait tables, but in my mind, even if I was employed waiting tables I would still consider myself "unemployed" or at least "underemployed" since I'm not doing something in my field that even remotely interests me.

So glad you're finding luck on the Ponzi scheme. I have a feeling you'll be the first one to cry foul as soon as it doesn't work out the way you hope, and it rarely ever does.

AmandaSC1988 · September 2011

Congrats on the promotion. If you enjoy doing sales then I don’t know why everyone is hating on you.

Where I am the job market is looking better – they say recent graduates should all receive an offer (for the past few years most grads didn’t get offers), but don’t count on more than one. That is in Oklahoma where we are number 10 for lowest unemployment rate. The company I have been interning for has been growing head and shoulders above most companies. On the other hand, my FI is stationed in FL – Not the best economy right now – number 10 for HIGHEST unemployment rate.

Scared? You betcha…

LetsHikeToday · September 2011

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[QUOTE]A lot of people set their idea of a job wayyy to high. I had a job for a year. quit because I moved. and was unemployed for 3 months. The jobs are out there its just not setting your hopes too high. I have a standard and won't go below that.
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

You first said the job market isn't that bad. Yes it is. If people have to lower their standards then the job market isn't as good as it once was. I have been a teacheer for 8 years. When we move to GA, there will be no openings because the job market is bad. I COULD work at a McDonalds (I am assuming) but I won't because I have earned the right to have a job standard and will wait until I find out that fits it. If the job market was good, this wouldn't be a conversation and I'd be a teacher when I moved.

calindi · September 2011

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[QUOTE]Congrats on the promotion. If you enjoy doing sales then I don’t know why everyone is hating on you.
Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]

Even within the sales industry, there are good companies/jobs and bad ones. She got the job about a month ago and is already promoted to management?

Elle1036 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]A lot of people set their idea of a job wayyy to high. I had a job for a year. quit because I moved. and was unemployed for 3 months. The jobs are out there its just not setting your hopes too high. I have a standard and won't go below that.
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

Yep, Kendall, I find this contradictory as well. It's ok for<em> you</em> to have high job expectations, but others can't?

AmandaSC1988 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : Even within the sales industry, there are good companies/jobs and bad ones. She got the job about a month ago and is already promoted to management?
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

Yea, I don't know.

It all reminds me of this company we had come talk to our business fraternity last year. Typical triangle scheme! They showed us this flashy video of happy people on vacation with exciting music in the background. They all claimed they quit their day jobs and are selling discounted trips... and some of the best people aren't even selling anymore! They have people sell for them and all they do is go on trips!!!1 After I was in a room with those people I felt the need to take a long shower, they were just scammy.

I don't agree with it. I hate sale people, I avoid going to stores that have aggressive sales people because I don't like to be pressured to buy something.

KendallR10 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : Even within the sales industry, there are good companies/jobs and bad ones. She got the job about a month ago and is already promoted to management?
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
I'm not management

KendallR10 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : Yep, Kendall, I find this contradictory as well. It's ok for you to have high job expectations, but others can't?
Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I have high expectations. I said I have standards. Everyone should. I don't expect to be in charge of anything. I expect to be making min. wage which is $8.50 in oregon. And I won't work fast food. Thats all. If someone my age wants to believe that they can make 70k in one year and be in charge okay cool good for them. I don't. This is a job to pay my bills and get me back to school

AmandaSC1988 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I'm not management
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

No offense but having a "team" i<em>s </em>management. You are <strong>managing</strong> those people.

KendallR10 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : No offense but having a "team" i s management. You are managing those people.
Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]
I don't have a team yet. I start learning to train people. I start shadowing a trainer. It'll be about 2-3 months before I even start interviewing to build my team

calindi · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I don't have a team yet. I start learning to train people. I start shadowing a trainer. It'll be about 2-3 months before I even start interviewing to build my team
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

I've never heard of someone who has worked in a place less than 6 months doing their own interviewing, hiring, and training.

LetsHikeToday · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I didn't say I have high expectations. I said I have standards. Everyone should. I don't expect to be in charge of anything. I expect to be making min. wage which is $8.50 in oregon. And I won't work fast food. Thats all. If someone my age wants to believe that they can make 70k in one year and be in charge okay cool good for them. I don't. This is a job to pay my bills and get me back to school
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

This is completely not the same as you saying the job market is not that bad. You stated the job market wasn't that bad but people don't have jobs because they have high standards.

Wanting a job that pays more than $8.50 an hour and expecting $70,000 a year can't even be in the same comparison. You went from one extreme to another. If someone expects to make $70,000 right out of school then that isn't a high standard, that's a ridiculous standard. If the person who responded to you wants a job that pays more than minimum wage, that's not a high standard.

The job market IS bad if someone, with a degree, is working in a job that pays $8.50 an hour. End of story.

AmandaSC1988 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I've never heard of someone who has worked in a place less than 6 months doing their own interviewing, hiring, and training.
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

I have! haha, but they are hired as HR. =P

Elle1036 · September 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW:work stuff : I didn't say I have high expectations. I said I have standards. Everyone should. I don't expect to be in charge of anything. I expect to be making min. wage which is $8.50 in oregon. And I won't work fast food. Thats all. If someone my age wants to believe that they can make 70k in one year and be in charge okay cool good for them. I don't. This is a job to pay my bills and get me back to school
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

Right, but standards are relative. You would probably say that my current salary expectations are "way too high", but in reality it's just my refusal to work in a position that isn't appropriate to my education and experience, the same way that you refuse to work in fast food.

I don't think you meant anything offensive by saying that the job market isn't that bad, but there really are a lot of us who are struggling and we find that irritating.

calindi · September 2011

If I was at a job making minimum wage, I'd still consider myself unemployed. Isn't there a book about trying to live off minimum wage and how impossibly difficult it is? Nickle & Dimed, I think is the name.

The job market is not as bad as it was two years ago, when employeers were panicking and laying people off and people were afraid to leave positions in the normal fashion because of stability. You saw less transition, so people who got laid off didn't have as many opportunities, and openings often went unfilled since employers didn't want to overleverage themselves.

But that doesn't mean it's good. I read a study that said 80% of college graduates are moving home since they cannot support themselves financially, most are unemployed.

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