Brad

kle0113 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:1ffb3503-3f29-4195-9880-0219c84ff68d">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]..... Even better I could have been a sport coach like my borther in law and made another $10K a year on top of his teacher salary.
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

MH was the Varsity basketball coach in his district and made no where near 10k to coach. Teachers are highly underpaid in many districts.

michelle221 · March 2010

Just out of curiosity, why do you post on a female web site for brides?

kle0113 · March 2010

MH is going back to school now and we are paying for it.

sgdc2011 · March 2010

Brad have you not been reading ANYTHING people have been saying? I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I don't go back to school for free.

It is not a part time job if I have to work every day of the work week. I'm pretty sure part time is less than 25 hours per week. Get YOUR facts straight before you speak again.

I'll say this ... we are never going to be able to change your mind because your such a stubborn pig nosed brat. Get off the knot because NO ONE likes you. I hope you have a miserable life. I'm done arguing and posting because you are not worth my time.

If I met you in real life I think I would need to give you a nice swift kick to the balls because you deserve it.

mscutieri · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:dba61356-baf1-42be-a890-f6b18ef0e5d6">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]cause rosanna in sales you worked full time, with no pension, no job security and average to poor benefits. Teachers are part time employees, who get paid full time salaries, have one of the best pensions in the country, full job security after 3 years, and the msto insanely ridiculous benefits that you could ever imagine. Their benefits alone are worth double their salaries. they could have a C-Section and not pay a dime. With my health insurance we would pay 30% of the costs. They get to go back to school for free, I pay over $10K a year to go back to school. They cant get fired, I can get fired cause we missed our budgeted earnings which is just an estimate. They have a pension, I have a crappy 401K and have to pray that the stock market doesnt tank. Most teachers I know dont even know or care about the stock market. Most teachers I know dont even know what a 403b is and even worse dont contribute to it. For thost that dont know their 403B is the same as our 401K. so not only do they get a full pension, they get a 401k too!!!!
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

I work over full-time hours, including the summer. we spoke about what a crappy undedicated teacher your sister is (you even said it yourself), so don't judge all of us by that one person.

I work in a private school, so I get paid less than public school teachers and have to pay for my own medical and dental insurance. Again, your very uninformed about the general public in this matter.

I don't get to go back to school. I pay for it myself -- in fact I went back to nursing school at night while I was teaching durng the day and had to drop out because i could no longer afford the lab fees. Wanna pay my tuition forme to go back?

I don't have a pension, wish I did. I contribute the maximum amount allowed to my 403b, and have since I started teaching years ago. Your sister is a lucky lady for getting all of this for dong practically nothing.

Of course, I don't expect you to absorb any of these real life facts. You are just as described (by you) before -- the type of person that is convinced it is Monday when it is really Thursday, and will not beieve otherwise.

Rosanna'n'Steve · March 2010

Where in your delusional world do you get that Teachers are part-time employees?? Your definition of part-time is quite off buddy. And yes I don't have a pension or have the best benefits, but i also get commission and can make much more than teachers do if I make my sales of course. There are benefits and downfalls with every job known to man. I think that teachers deserve all those benefits because if it wasn't for what they do on a daily basis, I wouldn't have been able to get the job I have today. You are just basing things on numbers and not on the quality of the work and the the type of job people do. You are so bitter about what you do and how much you get underpaid for what you do that you are blinded and don't see reality. Nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind unless you actually were sat down and showed all the facts and you know what you are the type of person that just argues to argue no matter how wrong everyone on the planet tells you you are and that's whats most infuriating. You call us crazy girls, but you seem to be the odd man out when it comes to most opinions and that should be a red flag when you are the only one that agrees with your own opinions.

kathymarie · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:dba61356-baf1-42be-a890-f6b18ef0e5d6">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]Their benefits alone are worth double their salaries. they could have a C-Section and not pay a dime. With my health insurance we would pay 30% of the costs. They get to go back to school for free, I pay over $10K a year to go back to school. They cant get fired, I can get fired cause we missed our budgeted earnings which is just an estimate. They have a pension, I have a crappy 401K and have to pray that the stock market doesnt tank. Most teachers I know dont even know or care about the stock market. Most teachers I know dont even know what a 403b is and even worse dont contribute to it. For thost that dont know their 403B is the same as our 401K. so not only do they get a full pension, they get a 401k too!!!!
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

Brad, no one contributes to my 403b but me. Why does that irk you? You have the right to open investment accounts too.

Again, we pay into our pension. It is NOT free money.

We pay into our insurance. My husband's secretary does not pay for hers Is she bad too? Are secretaries on your shittlist too?

Teachers CAN and DO get fired. That is what started this thread. Tenured teachers can be too, it just takes due process. This due process is in place to protect our students from high turnover rates when districts want to save money and throw out experience for cheap replacements. We aren't talking about car sales here; children are involved. Experience does make you better and more valuable.

brad1431 · March 2010

6 classes X 45 minutes =4.5 hours a day X 5 days = 22.5 hours a week. I was being generous saying 5.5 hours a day, sorry I was trying to be fair.

I think most consider that part time, and FOR THE 5TH TIME, WE ARE EXCLUDING OVERTIME, I dont get to take my lunch break and claim it is my work time, and my overtime as my regular time.

I mean I'm no Math teacher, but I think I can multiply.

kathymarie · March 2010

Oh, and no one will pay for me to go back to school. I want to, but can't. Why? Because I am still paying the hefty debt I incurred the first time I went to college. *Gasp* I missed out on my free education?

kathymarie · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:ebb821d2-a20b-47f5-a815-a8e5bce216fb">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]6 classes X 45 minutes =4.5 hours a day X 5 days = 22.5 hours a week. I was being generous saying 5.5 hours a day, sorry I was trying to be fair. I think most consider that part time, and FOR THE 5TH TIME, WE ARE EXCLUDING OVERTIME, I dont get to take my lunch break and claim it is my work time, and my overtime as my regular time. I mean I'm no Math teacher, but I think I can multiply.
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

Um, we have to work more than when we're actually standing at the chalk board. When do you think lesson plans get done? Research and reading that goes into the plans? Grading and reflecting upon student work?

Rosanna'n'Steve · March 2010

you are too stupid for words Brad.......seriously too stupid its actually infuriating how much someone so stupid can think they are intelligient. You have no real concept of what a teacher actually has to do to get their job done on a daily basis. You not taking your lunch break because you choose to do some extra work does not count as overtime or as working hours. Someone having to grade papers as part of their teaching duties after they leave the classroom does count as worktime. If they didn't do it then, please explain when they would do it and why are they not supposed to be paid for that time??

kpeteley · March 2010

Brad - seriously . You are ignorant in the worst way and bitter about your life which makes you all around unattractive in every meaningful way.

uppereastgirl · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.weddings.com/Sites/Weddings/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:4ffd68a5-89de-43c3-b814-c15e3fb5e3f3">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE] I think that teachers deserve all those benefits because if it wasn't for what they do on a daily basis, I wouldn't have been able to get the job I have today.
Posted by Rosanna'n'Steve[/QUOTE]

<div>Excellent point. When I was in high school, the district I was in had the highest salaries in the state. And while not every single teacher was absolutely excellent or my favorite, I was very lucky to have much more than a handful who were extremely engaging, challenging, enriching, and who believed in me. I consider myself successful, and I know that a good part of that has to do with hard work and ability and such, but I also know that I did well in post-secondary schools because I was so well prepared for them. I think those teachers absolutely deserved their high salaries. I don't care how many hours they worked (although based on the number of papers and such we had to write, I would imagine they had a lot of jammie time grading work to do), but I think the outcomes they had for students made their salaries worth it.</div>

mscutieri · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:ebb821d2-a20b-47f5-a815-a8e5bce216fb">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]6 classes X 45 minutes =4.5 hours a day X 5 days = 22.5 hours a week. I was being generous saying 5.5 hours a day, sorry I was trying to be fair. I think most consider that part time, and FOR THE 5TH TIME, WE ARE EXCLUDING OVERTIME, I dont get to take my lunch break and claim it is my work time, and my overtime as my regular time. I mean I'm no Math teacher, but I think I can multiply.
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering how you think lesson plans are written (and they need to be written EVERY YEAR due to changes in classroom dynamics). I am also wondering how you think the test/quizzes/lab/worksheets are written -- they must just land on my desk out of thin air! Oh, and never mind reading and evalutiing the work handed in EVERY DAY by 137 high school students -- that's a piece of cake.

Here is some math for YOU! I will explain my average day=

20 minute homeroom + 50 minute class periods (times 6) + lesson plan writing and prep for 4 seperate courses (30 minutes minimum per class per day) + reading and evaluating of lab reports/quizzes/tests/general classwork and homework (10 minutes per student per day with an average of 100 students per day) = 1,440 minutes/24 hours

WOW, 24 hours of work in one day -- this gives reason for all that extra work I have over the weekend since I can't POSSIBLY work 24 hours in a day. Get yourself educated on a subject before you try to sound smart....because it didn't work out for you this time!

tinydancer842 · March 2010

Also teachers who are paid more work in districts with higher property taxes. If those teachers (with those oh so high salaries) were to actually live in those towns w/high property taxes they'd probably be living in a shed. I went to school in Rumson where the property taxes were extremely high. A teacher there still only made around 80k at the TOP of the pay scale which means they couldn't pay for property taxes let alone a mortgage in that town without going completely broke.

DMLJ · March 2010

I'm really sorry I clicked into this because I want to SCREAM! But I think he keep pushing the teacher button cause he knows so many of us are.....

YOU try dealing with 12 year olds who steal, are suicidal, have shiity home lives, all while having to write lesson plans that include collaborative learning and differnetiate for the 18 different "learning styles and levels" in your classroom. I work from 7:30 til 5:00 everyday.... most of the time I am there that late doing extra help and tutoring.... and I get paid half than what you sister gets paid.

tinydancer842 · March 2010

Property Taxes in Rumson, NJ are approx $15k per year, a Mortgage is approx. $5k per month... Source: http://www.zillow.com/local-info/NJ-Rumson-homes/r_9455/

The highest salaries are 100k at RFH only for teachers w/20-30 yrs experience.

$6.25k x 12 months = $75k which means they can't even afford to live in the town they teach in.

brad1431 · March 2010

how can I say it for the 7th or 8th time YOU CAN NEVER COUNT THE BS TIME OUTSIDE THE CLASSROOM. Like I KEEP SAYING THAT IS UNPAID OVERTIME. AND I WORK MORE UNPAID OVERTIME THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. is that clear enough. jeez for teachers you think they would know how to listen......

All that counts in IN CLASS ONLY. When I take a crap at home and think about work, that doesnt count as work time, just as you creating lesson plans or grading papers isnt class time!!!!!!

If I have a dream about work can I count that too, jeez for teachers you think they could read and comprehend better...

tinydancer842 · March 2010

melissa82 · March 2010

Is that how you do accounting at Toys R Us, Brad?

Rosanna'n'Steve · March 2010

no you think you could comprehend anything! for the bazillionth time if we are going to throw out random numbers, grading papers and creating lesson plans is not BS time outside the classroom!! You taking home work that you could do during your office hours is completely different than a teacher having to take her work home because she cannot stay in the school to do it. The so called bs work teachers do after work is pretty much what makes their jobs. Again, explain when the teachers are supposed to do those things if they don't do it after work. You taking home work on your own time that you could do the next day is not the same thing.....how many more times do we have to explain that??!!!!

tinydancer842 · March 2010

mscutieri · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:8e0e7e8f-a3d7-47a1-9050-dcf2ad7711b5">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]how can I say it for the 7th or 8th time YOU CAN NEVER COUNT THE BS TIME OUTSIDE THE CLASSROOM. Like I KEEP SAYING THAT IS UNPAID OVERTIME. AND I WORK MORE UNPAID OVERTIME THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. is that clear enough. jeez for teachers you think they would know how to listen...... All that counts in IN CLASS ONLY. When I take a crap at home and think about work, that doesnt count as work time, just as you creating lesson plans or grading papers isnt class time!!!!!! If I have a dream about work can I count that too, jeez for teachers you think they could read and comprehend better...
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

How does that even begin to make sense? You realize that if you were even once to realize you were wrong/misunderstood and admit it, we MIGHT respect your opinion....MAYBE.

But just to point out what you are saying and how senseless it is, I have a question. My mother works for Merck and is the secretary to the vice-president of her department. He travels very often and is out of the country more often than he is in the office. Should he only get paid for that time he is sitting behind his desk? Is all of the "out of the office" travel time considered unpaid overtime?

Writing lesson plans and grading papers is part of the job, not overtime. If you don't do it, you get fired. Even tenure teachers have certains requirements to uphold or they actually CAN be fired. I've seen it happen -- as a tenured teacher you are not untouchable....

gibribuz · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:dba61356-baf1-42be-a890-f6b18ef0e5d6">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]Teachers are part time employees, who get paid full time salaries, have one of the best pensions in the country, full job security after 3 years, and the msto insanely ridiculous benefits that you could ever imagine. Their benefits alone are worth double their salaries. they could have a C-Section and not pay a dime. With my health insurance we would pay 30% of the costs.
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]
This is NOT true. I know because I was in the hospital for a week last year and I had to pay out of pocket for what my insurance didn't cover. Also, I was unable to work for a month and after I used up my sick days my pay was deducted and I (like many teachers) was not eligible for short term disability.

mbcdefg · March 2010

Why do you guys keep feeding into him?

smiles62309 · March 2010

You know Brad I really was going to keep my mouth shut but you really just ticked me off with all your comments about teachers, cops, and coaches. I am a teacher and a coach. I have been teaching now for 4 years and have a masters degree. I wake up every morning at am at school by 7:30. With my coaching after school I sometimes don't get home until 10! I buy my own supplies, paper, pencils, EVERYTHING because my school does not supply any of that. I go out and buy the children things for different holidays with my OWN money.

As for the coaching, (this is where you truly got me fired up) there is soo much more that goes INTO coaching that you may not realize. When they do take taxes out and if you calculate the hours you put it it comes out to MINIMUM wage.

I do not coach for the money and I HATE people who do that. People like you are ungrateful and miserable people who need a good slap in the face!

If you are so miserable with your job then quit. We as teachers love what we do.

As for the cops, next time you are in an accident or fear for your life DONT call them since you think they are overpaid. You have no idea how my heart aches everytime I hear sirens in my town knowing that my fiance is out there. Knowing he has to show up when people have died. Or when he saved a 1 year old by giving her CPR. They deserve what they get because in my eyes they are heros..

It's amazing.. when Sept 11th happened cops were our heros.. NOW because the economy is bad.. its their fault..

Get a life!

akmackay · March 2010

Not going to lie- sad I came into this so late. Brad if you are even still here let me just say I student taught for a year. STUDENT taught and it was the most grueling year of my life. I was exhausted at all times and always had a million things to do, papers to grade, lesson to plan. A teacher has to be "on" at all times during the school day and on the afternoons that they may have clubs/extra help etc. Their "down time" is spent grading, lesson planning, reading up on their subject and on teaching techniques to make sure they are staying up to date. Most of the work is prepping, not teaching. On top of that, there are the teacher conferences, and how can you forget meeting with parents. One can only help to be a counselor to students who need you and confide in you. In the end, you are just hanging on hoping that you make a difference in a child's life... and that they don't grow up to be as ignorant and self-indulgent as you are.

In my job now I make as much as I would if I was a teacher. I do far less work, can have a bad day, can Knot during the day, and if I'm sick the work can wait until the next day. One cannot do this as a teacher. For you to use that teachers have the summer off, really they don't get out until the very end of June/beginning of July. They return the end of August. That's 7-8 weeks off, and my mom (who works in a hospital) gets that much time off.

Now go back to work because if you are working as much "upaid overtime" as teachers than you should be working around the clock.

kewltif · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:1ffb3503-3f29-4195-9880-0219c84ff68d">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]maybe I would have put my math skills into being a teacher, if it wasnt for all those teachers telling me how horrible their pay is and that I should go into finance cause that is where the real money is. I guess I was the stupid one for listening to all those teachers!!!! I was offered full college scholarships if I would agree to be a math teacher cause my SAT Math was 740. If I had gone into teaching instead, and had them pay for my masters, instead of me paying over $10K a year CASH for my masters, I would already be making $80K a year, and only have to work 5.5 hours a day, with summers off, and a pension. Stupid me for listening to all those teachers..... Even better I could have been a sport coach like my borther in law and made another $10K a year on top of his teacher salary.
Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

I work with students every day and I have yet to see someone offered a full scholarship to be a math teacher based on their Math SAT score.

cvl105 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:dba61356-baf1-42be-a890-f6b18ef0e5d6">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]<strong>Teachers are part time employees, who get paid full time salaries, have one of the best pensions in the country, full job security after 3 years, and the msto insanely ridiculous benefits that you could ever imagine.

</strong>I'm in a finance position and I get a pension. My benefits are also pretty darn good!

<strong>They get to go back to school for free, I pay over $10K a year to go back to school.
</strong>
I'm going back to school for free ($16K+)...again, in a finance position.

<strong>They have a pension, I have a crappy 401K and have to pray that the stock market doesnt tank.</strong>

I have a pension and a 401K.

Posted by brad1431[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you just have a sucky job and aren't as great as you think you are.

melissa82 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_brad-12?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:ded58a2b-960e-445b-a156-c2aa4e3603d0Post:05967d87-9d62-493f-880c-cbe8af35b6eb">Re: Brad</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brad : Sounds like you just have a sucky job and aren't as great as you think you are.
Posted by cvl105[/QUOTE]

I agree. Maybe you should go back to BASF, Brad. Did they have better benefits?

Brad

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