More health bill talk... sorry

katiewhompus · April 2010

I completely agree that kids should learn how the body works, then let parents decide how to teach about sex. Honestly, watching "The Miracle of Life" in 9th grade was enough to make my friends and I not want to go anywhere near a guy. It had very graphic images of sperm entering the cervix, fetal growth, and a intimate view of crowning during labor. After seeing all that sex was something that was very gross, not something to jump right into.

I've always been of the opinion that most parents now regard schools as their personal baby sitters. The classic arguement in my county now is healthy food for lunch. I'm sorry, but when you are paying $2 for lunch you get what you pay for, and when there are massive lay-offs in the near future the schools really don't care about spending more but charging the same for healthier lunches. If you want your kids to eat well take the extra 5 minutes and make them a healthy lunch.

kikibaby · April 2010

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[QUOTE]I completely agree that kids should learn how the body works, then let parents decide how to teach about sex. Honestly, watching "The Miracle of Life" in 9th grade was enough to make my friends and I not want to go anywhere near a guy. It had very graphic images of sperm entering the cervix, fetal growth, and a intimate view of crowning during labor. After seeing all that sex was something that was very gross, not something to jump right into. I've always been of the opinion that most parents now regard schools as their personal baby sitters. The classic arguement in my county now is healthy food for lunch. I'm sorry, but when you are paying $2 for lunch you get what you pay for, and when there are massive lay-offs in the near future the schools really don't care about spending more but charging the same for healthier lunches. If you want your kids to eat well take the extra 5 minutes and make them a healthy lunch.
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

Did you watch Jaime Oliver's 'Food Revolution'? Most of the kids he talked to were eating the same crap at home that they were eating at school- pizza and chicken nuggets for every meal. Although I agree that it's not the school's responsibility, school is a place to learn... so they might as well learn about healthy eating and nutrition while learning math and reading.

aMrsin09 · April 2010

Stacks that was hysterical. But not the one I was referring too.

The one we had was based on a fairy from Sleeping Beauty and she ran through the reproductive systems and covered what all happened during puberty. Her notable feature was the was she said her name... "her comes the Puuuuberty Fairy"

Mrs.B6302007 · April 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: More health bill talk... sorry : I disagree, B. It's not that the education system thinks it's their responsibility. The parents think it is the responsibility of the education system.
Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]

True. That's really what my question is. Why does the education system keep taking it up the butt? The education system isn't doing anything to put responsibility back on the parents. They (the parents) keep saying "It's your job" and we (education system) keep saying "ok". Just like 2 out of 3 meals per day being provided at school.

zippityb · April 2010

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[QUOTE]Why does the education system keep taking it up the butt? .
Posted by Mrs.B6302007[/QUOTE]

It is also a proven method of preventing pregnancy.

Mrs.B6302007 · April 2010

I also agree with bel. The science of the reproductive system is part of health and should be part of the curriculum. Once morals are factored in, that's where the science seems to get lost. Morals should be a family matter.

sarabellam · April 2010

aMrs, I dont' remember the puberty fairy at all. I don't remember what we did for sex-ed (must have blocked it out).

Betrothed, I can't answer from a student perspective, but froma teacher perspective, there was a much stronger push towards abstinence-only education after GWB came to office.

Mrs.B6302007 · April 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: More health bill talk... sorry : It is also a proven method of preventing pregnancy.
Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]

LOL

katiewhompus · April 2010

I agree its the schools responsibility to teach, that's why we have health classes. But I also think the parents dump too much of their responsibility on school systems who can't handle it right now. I also think its the easy way out for parents to go "oh well the school doesn't give them healthy food and that's why my kid is overweight". No your kid is overweight because all he/she eats when they get home is fast food and crap.

betrothed123 · April 2010

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[QUOTE]Betrothed, I can't answer from a student perspective, but froma teacher perspective, there was a much stronger push towards abstinence-only education after GWB came to office.
Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]

That may be true, I just vividly remember sitting in a classroom in 5th grade, and our gym teacher saying "So if you see a boy's penis is sticking up, don't go near him. He only wants something bad from you." And I know that was long before GWB was elected.

andyandhillary · April 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: More health bill talk... sorry : Abstinence only education, sorry! I think if you can wait till you find that love of your life or marriage its a great thing.....but yes it rare, and thinking your child will wait is not realistic. So I think they need to be taught Safe sex, but tell them you would like them to wait, your morals. But if they do not wait, I would want them to be ready. That is how my mom taught me...she told me she would like me to wait, but taught me how to be safe if I decided to engage in sexual relations. I think the one important thing my mom drilled in my head was not to be afraid to come and talk to her......so many parents put fear in their childs head that IF they decided to have sex that it would be the end of the world or it would make them a bad person. I had friends who were terrified to go to their parents & tell them they were ready, or that they already had sex. A girl should not be afraid to go to her mother & ask to get put on birth control.
Posted by *BeachBride0410*[/QUOTE]

Haha no problem, I was just confused! I completely agree. My mom had the same position on it.

andyandhillary · April 2010

Anyone else have the awkward cast from the musical "Annie" video for their sex ed classes? I got some "about your body" chats when I went to a public elementary school and I had a hard time taking it seriously.

Mrs.B6302007 · April 2010

As a Baptist school student, we didn't do sex ed at all. In the 6th grade, we did watch the mensturation video while the guys watched something about their changing bodies. That was it until the one chapter on repro in 10th grade biology class.

swtasa · April 2010

In my health class they showed us pictures of STDs they did it in 10th grade. Their was a minor mention of condoms in the book but how to prevent them wasn't discussed. I remember clearly being horrified by that and the Mircale of Life they showed us.

However my parents taught us about all the important stuff they felt we needed to know. They didn't leave it up to the school system to do that.

As a mother I have every intention of discussing it with my daughter, because I don't want her to end up with some form of STD or pregnant at 15. I want to open the dialogue with her so she knows she can ask if she needs stuff like birthconrol. Do I want her to have sex when she's young? No do I want to be a grandma at 35? Definitely not.

But alas I agree with parents teaching kids at home. Kids don't pay attention in sex=ed anyway. All the they do is giggle like idiots

betrothed123 · April 2010

They didn't go near masturbation with a 40 ft pole in my school. I can just imagine the pearl clutching that would have happened over that crap.

aMrsin09 · April 2010

We had one sex-ed/health class in the 6th or 7th grade and it covered "this is how your body is changing and this is how you get pregnant".

polichik · April 2010

This thread makes me remember my old health teacher, who was about 5'3" and balding, but also jacked. He's say "You kids today... No matter what I tell you, you're just going to go hop in the sack! Hop in the sack! Hop in the sack!", while leaping around the room each time he said "Hop." I kid you not.

I don't think that telling kids about condoms and BCPs is giving them the '"ok" to have sex. When kids learn about the importance of designated drivers, does that make them want to go out and get wasted? I'm not sure that would be the case.

When I was in college, I worked for a sexual assault response hotline that also was a resource for general sex questions. Some of the things we heard... These were 18-22-year-old college students, believing that you couldn't get STDs from anal sex, believing that you wouldn't get pregnant if you had sex standing up, that condoms were only 10% effective (WTF?)... I wish they'd had a more comprehensive course on sex ed.

What's really scary is that most of our callers were already sexually active. I want my kids to know the facts (ALL of them) before they'd even consider having sex. It'll be my responsibility to teach them, but what happens to the kids whose parents either don't know or don't care about the risks and realities?

mewebster59 · April 2010

I do not agree with the healthcare bill. It is going to kill people, period. And big government is never a good idea.... But I guess our prez will be long out of office before he deals with the actual backlash from this new law when it goes into effect. Check this out... http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf

Yeah thats right, they are going to microchip you.... if you want health insurance... oh wait, your kids have to... oh well

katiewhompus · April 2010

Poli, when I was in college Dr Ruth came to give a lecture/presentation at my college. She was the funniest and cutest little woman ever! The school paper had run a "Ask Dr. Ruth" section where the students could write in questions and she'd answer them at the talk.
Can you get pregnant if you give a blow job?
Can you get pregnant if he pulls out and you are standing up?
Will jumping up and down after sex prevent pregnancy?
Can you get pregnant if the woman is on top?

And these were 18-22 year old college kids who didn't know the answer to these questions!

kikibaby · April 2010

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[QUOTE]I do not agree with the healthcare bill. It is going to kill people, period. And big government is never a good idea.... But I guess our prez will be long out of office before he deals with the actual backlash from this new law when it goes into effect. Check this out... <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf</a> Yeah thats right, they are going to microchip you.... if you want health insurance... oh wait, your kids have to... oh well
Posted by mewebster59[/QUOTE]

A) We're not even talking about the health care bill in general, only a specific part

2) WTF?

kimheartsscott · April 2010

Oh man, will that make me a cyborg? Sweet.

Also, this may be the stupidest thing said in this thread (until, ya know.) but I think it is important that kids know what abstinence is. I honestly thought it was abstaining from sex only, not all sexual activities, until I looked it up. Raise your hand if you know someone who was a virgin when they got pregnant! *hand raise*

Also, I agree that schools should teach the science, parents the morals. My "health" class was occasional warty penis pictures between viewings of Red Asphalt. I'm super paranoid about getting pregnant, so a lot of the information I know is from the internet.

tracy_k · April 2010

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[QUOTE]I do not agree with the healthcare bill. It is going to kill people, period. And big government is never a good idea.... But I guess our prez will be long out of office before he deals with the actual backlash from this new law when it goes into effect. Check this out... <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf</a> Yeah thats right, they are going to microchip you.... if you want health insurance... oh wait, your kids have to... oh well
Posted by mewebster59[/QUOTE]

Um. All this does is prove you cannot read. I think "health education" should be the least of your worries.

As for "ZOMG the health care bill is gonna kill people!!!1!" I simply do not have the energy to take that on, so I'll just chortle quietly to myself.

andyandhillary · April 2010

Does anyone know if schools talk about the HPV/cervical cancer shot (gardasil?) in those classes? I feel like they should because it's a good preventative measure for girls to have.

aMrsin09 · April 2010

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[QUOTE]Does anyone know if schools talk about the HPV/cervical cancer shot (gardasil?) in those classes? I feel like they should because it's a good preventative measure for girls to have.
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

I thought it had become part of the "if you want your kids to go to school, they have to have these vaccines"

betrothed123 · April 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: More health bill talk... sorry : I thought it had become part of the "if you want your kids to go to school, they have to have these vaccines"
Posted by aMrsin09[/QUOTE]
As far as I understand it in my state it is one of the required vaccines.

sarabellam · April 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: More health bill talk... sorry : True. That's really what my question is. Why does the education system keep taking it up the butt? The education system isn't doing anything to put responsibility back on the parents. They (the parents) keep saying "It's your job" and we (education system) keep saying "ok". Just like 2 out of 3 meals per day being provided at school.
Posted by Mrs.B6302007[/QUOTE]

We keep taking it up the butt because when we see the parents abdicating their responsibilities, we aren't willing to ignore the needs of the students.

Confession time - my children eat both breakfast and lunch at school. By the time I get both girls up and out the door by 6:40, that doesn't leave us enough time to get breakfast. Does that make me a bad mother? Perhaps.

Stackeye210 · April 2010

I thought insurance companies don't even cover the Gardasil (sp?) shot because they say it'll make young kids think they are fully protected. At least that's what a lady at my job said they told her when she tried to get the insurance to cover both of her daughter's shots.

kimheartsscott · April 2010

It is a required vaccine in some states? I didn't know that. I did refuse it despite my doctor's many, many attempts to get me to have it though. New drugs freak me out. I want society as a whole to be my guinea pig first.

*BeachBride0410* · April 2010

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[QUOTE]I thought insurance companies don't even cover the Gardasil (sp?) shot because they say it'll make young kids think they are fully protected. At least that's what a lady at my job said they told her when she tried to get the insurance to cover both of her daughter's shots.
Posted by Stackeye210[/QUOTE]

I know that my parents insurance did not cover it when my sister got the shot. I have read some really bad side effects about that shot. I outside the age range, but I wouldn't have gotten it if I was in the suggested age range. People actually believe that is prevents cervical cancer, which it does not. It prrevents some of the types of HPV that COULD lead to cervical cancer.....and there are so many strands of HPV.

kimheartsscott · April 2010

THANK YOU. That was pretty much my attitude when my doctor kept pressuring me. But its ok, she referenced The Break-Up to let me know that I would have many boyfriends who are all infected and that I will die. Just like Jennifer Aniston.

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