Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk

laylasaurus · April 2013

Hey all!

I'm new here, only been lurking for a few weeks though I've been engaged for several months now. FI and I are getting married in October. Our ceremony will be in the neighborhood park around the block from our house, under a huge, gorgeous, old oak tree. I love it because we spend a lot of time there, so its already a special place to us.

FI and I can't wait to eventually get a dog, but for now we have one ridiculously fat cat. FI calls him 20 lbs of stupid. He also really likes banana nut muffins, which is dangerous because nuts aren't good for cats. I have to eat them when he is outside or he will straight up try to take a bite as I'm putting it to my mouth.

We will not be asking guests to pay for drinks, or tip our bartendars. Also, I have never heard of a dollar dance..wtf is that? Where is this a thing?

MuppetFan · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Hey all! I'm new here, only been lurking for a few weeks though I've been engaged for several months now. FI and I are getting married in October. Our ceremony will be in the neighborhood park around the block from our house, under a huge, gorgeous, old oak tree. I love it because we spend a lot of time there, so its already a special place to us. FI and I can't wait to eventually get a dog, but for now we have one ridiculously fat cat. FI calls him 20 lbs of stupid. He also really likes banana nut muffins, which is dangerous because nuts aren't good for cats. I have to eat them when he is outside or he will straight up try to take a bite as I'm putting it to my mouth. We will not be asking guests to pay for drinks, or tip our bartendars. Also, I have never heard of a dollar dance..wtf is that? Where is this a thing?
Posted by laylasaurus[/QUOTE]

I adopted a fat cat years ago, I loved him very much. His name was originally Bustopher Jones but we called him Fat Kitty... he was like a dog and he had a food addiction. What is your cat's name?

Dollar Dances were big in the 80s and early 90s. I hadn't seen one since until December when I went to a wedding that had that and a game where they took more of your money rather deceitfully (Someone at the table, take out something bigger than a $10! Now play musical chairs and when the music stops, that person brings the money to the bride and the person who let their money be borrowed finds out it wasnt being "borrowed")

jennipea382 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Am I a quiet folk? ;) My wedding was awesome. We didn't do a dollar dance, even though they're super common around here.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

We didn't either! I find them awkward and time consuming. I had a couple people ask if we were doing it but other than that I don't think it was missed really, despite them being at 99% of weddings I've been to.

Anyways, I'm Jenni and I just got married 2 weeks ago! We went on our honeymoon to Puerto Rico the week after and it was amazing! I'm now watching my friend freak out like I was 2 months ago because her wedding is just under 2 months away. I'm excited to be in a wedding I'm NOT planning now, haha.

H and I have 2 furbabies, Asher and Midnight, who are 2 year old cats. We pretty much work, play video games, and enjoy camping in the summer. I work at a bank and H works at a retail hardware place. We are pretty boring most of the time :-)

jennipea382 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Hey all! I'm new here, only been lurking for a few weeks though I've been engaged for several months now. FI and I are getting married in October. Our ceremony will be in the neighborhood park around the block from our house, under a huge, gorgeous, old oak tree. I love it because we spend a lot of time there, so its already a special place to us. FI and I can't wait to eventually get a dog, but for now we have one ridiculously fat cat. FI calls him 20 lbs of stupid. He also really likes banana nut muffins, which is dangerous because nuts aren't good for cats. I have to eat them when he is outside or he will straight up try to take a bite as I'm putting it to my mouth. We will not be asking guests to pay for drinks, or tip our bartendars. <strong> Also, I have never heard of a dollar dance..wtf is that? Where is this a thing?</strong>
Posted by laylasaurus[/QUOTE]

Basically you line up and pay a dollar to dance to a slower song with either the bride or groom. Sometimes there's some sort of competition involved. My friends had us get into the line for whose dog breed preference should win for when they get a dog, for example. It's pretty big in MN for sure, I think in the Midwest area too but I'm not 100% on that.

nextrightthing · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Well, I was a fairly regular poster until last fall, when I called off my engagement and ended my relationship. Ex-FI got himself arrested (and was guilty as charged) and lied to me about it (after I bailed him out), and in the process of uncovering that lie I uncovered a few more that made everything a total dealbreaker altogether. Coming back here is part of my healing, and I figured out that I missed you guys. I'm doing pretty well most times, but have my moments. I still don't have an apology or explanation from him, which hurts. I'm mad at myself for still being kinda hung up on him, despite what he did to us and our family. Fortunately I didn't lose much money on the wedding (a few hundred), but I'd already made it clear to the reception venue that there was to be enough chairs for everyone - no standing cocktail hour! No cash bar, no money dance, and I stood up to my mom when she said she didn't think we needed a vegetarian meal option.
Posted by RebeccaB88[/QUOTE]

You dodged a major bullet! Thank your lucky stars. :) I ended an engagement two months before the 40,000 wedding my parents were paying for, and I have never once regretted it. Now I get to marry the love of my life, and the years between the ended engagement and meeting FI were years I'm glad I didn't miss being married to an a-hole. :)

MuppetFan · April 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk : You dodged a major bullet! Thank your lucky stars. :) I ended an engagement two months before the 40,000 wedding my parents were paying for, and I have never once regretted it. Now I get to marry the love of my life, and the years between the ended engagement and meeting FI were years I'm glad I didn't miss being married to an a-hole. :)
Posted by nextrightthing[/QUOTE]

I went through with a wedding and while the divorce was official a year later, we were pretty much over 3 months after the wedding. I was considering calling it off the night before and was told I had cold feed and that it would be embarrassing...yeah no, way more embarrassing (and costly) to dissolve the relationship so soon after the marriage. Way better to be done with bad news before you marry it.

nextrightthing · April 2013

Also, hi all. I'm sort of a lurker but not a quiet person.

Hi, cwag! The DFW board has missed you.

We have been engaged since Valentine's Day of 2012 and are very excited that it is finally getting closer. We have a multipoo named Crosby that FI had before we met (yes, a single guy with a multipoo lol). We have also recently acquired a little kitty from a friend who could no longer take care of her. Also I have a four year old human baby who FI loves like his own, so we basically live in a zoo.

I will NOT have a B-list or force the bridal party to sit at a head table separately from their SOs.

Anastasia517 · April 2013

I'm a very long time lurker (I had a different account I didn't post under, but felt it was best to change it to something less identifying) but fairly new poster.

I got engaged during the week between Christmas & New Years. My FI and I have been together just under 5 years and are getting married next May on his parent's 28th anniversary. I'm getting my BA this year and my BEd next year. After that the plan is to be a high school teacher. He's trained as a primary care paramedic but there are slim pickings for jobs at the moment if he wants to stay in-province, so he isn't working as one at the moment.

Interesting? Hmm... I write books. I starting doing National Novel Writing Month (50,000 words in a month) when I was 17 and I've done & won every year since.

No pets yet, but we both desperately want dogs. For now, we settle for joking about stealing my FILs two dogs.

erinlin25 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Lets see. Something interesting about me, <strong>I cheer on an all-star cheer team and we are going to compete at the World Championsips </strong>in Florida in 3 weeks and I can't wait to get away from the latest snow storm we're having. We got married in Hawaii just over a year ago. We paid our bar tab in full which is super unusual where I'm from. I don't think I've ever been to an open bar wedding. Everything is at least a twoonie bar or full bar.
Posted by kje_[/QUOTE]

Hooray for cheerleaders! I work for the USA song/dance program (United Spirit Association) and went to worlds 3 years ago--such an amazing experience to see that side of cheerleading. I am a dancer, but I could not stay away from the cheer competition! So amazing and crazy respect for where all star cheerleading has come. Wish you the best of luck!!

RebeccaB88 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk : You dodged a major bullet! Thank your lucky stars. :) I ended an engagement two months before the 40,000 wedding my parents were paying for, and I have never once regretted it. Now I get to marry the love of my life, and the years between the ended engagement and meeting FI were years I'm glad I didn't miss being married to an a-hole. :)
Posted by nextrightthing[/QUOTE]

The intelligent part of my brain knows this, but the emotional part still can't figure out how it all came down the way it did, you know? Take the lies out, and we were compatible in pretty much every important way, and respectful where we differed. We were just too amazing together. It's just...spooky. Like he had a whole hidden life. Even most of his friends say that they never saw any of it coming, that he was very open with how much he loved me, how he was looking forward to setting up our family, had talked to the guys he wanted in his WP. Then suddenly it's all over. We all suspect some kind of mental illness, but he will not communicate with any friends or family, so we don't know. Anyway, I know there will come a time where I'll see everything more clearly and the emotional brain will catch up with the rational brain. And, I have great friends and family who are really taking good care of me (and offering to feed him feet-first into a wood chipper...)

rachelm13 · April 2013

I am semi quiet... But haiiiiii! I am getting married in 6 days and at the "not sleeping too well" stage of things. My FI has been in Dublin for work since last summer, we got engaged last spring. Can't wait to be done and married and on our way to the Maldives. Strange fact about me: I have the ability to grow freakishly long nails REALLY easily. If only that could apply to my hair I would be set! Things we aren't doing, a honeymoon registry, a seat for every butt and not doing a cash bar! I love reading this board and the E board best. My local and month board are slow sometimes. Rebecca, I walked away from a very unhealthy engagement 10 years ago and it took me a few years to get my ish together and break the notion of "our bond". I was still hung up even after walking away. It blows, it hurts, it is the worst thing I ever went through but there was/is a lot of light at the end of that tunnel mama. I promise. Just keep your head up and stay strong. This too shall pass.

cwaggoner07 · April 2013

HI GLB and NRT!

GLB - I had no idea what I missed! EEK. Kind of glad I missed out on that.

MuppetFan · April 2013

Rachel!

So excited for you!!! Calm down and enjoy this time

rachelm13 · April 2013

Thanks Muppet! My mom is here and handling last minute stuff for me so I can calm down... but I still can't seem to sleep past 4am. UGHHHHHHHHH

MuppetFan · April 2013

Be extremely comforted by the fact that you are not marrying and of the awesome weirdos you dated in your previous posts.

rachelm13 · April 2013

ahahahahahahahahah yes, there is that comfort fo sho. YIKES.

WinstonsGirl · April 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk : Hooray for cheerleaders! I work for the USA song/dance program (United Spirit Association) and went to worlds 3 years ago--such an amazing experience to see that side of cheerleading. I am a dancer, but I could not stay away from the cheer competition! So amazing and crazy respect for where all star cheerleading has come. Wish you the best of luck!!
Posted by erinlin25[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>Thanks. We're really hoping to make finals this year. We used to go to USA Nationals in Vegas and then in Cali before we started going to Worlds. I always had fun at those ones. </div>

MollyMo34 · April 2013

Very Cool! I am a Labor and DElivery RN, myself. I am fairly new to TK, and I am a lurker, but have posted a few times. I am getting married in 28 days! We are having a Riverwalk wedding in San ANtonio, and reception at a hotel called Hotel Contessa, on the RIverwalk! I am excited! Nice to meet you.

suzie211 · April 2013

Hi ladies! I would probably qualify as "quiet" around here. Muppet, I have a very similar first wedding/marriage story to yours. I think I learned a lot from that and what I won't be doing this time!

FI and I live in Chicago in the Bucktown neighborhood. For anyone that watches Chicago Fire, they should know it well. It's where they film most of the outside shots. "Molly's" is actually down the street from me and I run by it at least a couple times a week.

Wedding wise we're getting married just down the street from FI's old condo. We used to walk by the place all the time when he lived there. I never thought we would get married there, but we are! No gap, hosted bar, and no tosses; hopefully just lots of partying with our friends!

Salsera29 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]Very Cool! I am a Labor and DElivery RN, myself. I am fairly new to TK, and I am a lurker, but have posted a few times. I am getting married in 28 days! We are having a Riverwalk wedding in San ANtonio, and reception at a hotel called Hotel Contessa, on the RIverwalk! I am excited! Nice to meet you.
Posted by MollyMo34[/QUOTE]

<div>I'm SO jealous! FI and I went to San Antonio right after we got engaged last year. The Riverwalk is amazing!</div>

freebread03 · April 2013

Well, I probably won't be doing the big wedding thing-FI and I will probably go to the courthouse and be Sex and the City dressy/casual, and celebrate with friends afterwards. We started planning a wedding for last October, but cancelled in May after realizing how stressful planning was! If we DO celebrate with friends afterwards, we'll be paying for everyone's meal-that kind of rudeness WON'T be making it into my wedding!

elizabetheleven · April 2013

I'm a lurker mostly because I'm always on my mobile and It's almost impossible to post that way... No paragraphs! This will be my second marriage. The only awesome thing I received from my 1st was my amazing children. We set our date for May 2014 but we're considering moving it to Jan 2014 and doing a destination thing with just close family. I most definitely will be paying for everyone! We just want to have it somewhere that is meaningful to us, and Florida is our special place we live in ny right now. Something interesting about me.... I used to be a dancer. And not the ballet kind

[Deleted User] · April 2013

I'm relatively quiet on this board - but not on others, so... I guess I'll post.

We've been engaged since Oct 15, 2012. FH proposed at our alma mater - in our favorite coffee shop - after serenading me with a snippet of "Rythym of Love". I didn't cry. I thought I would, but... I didn't. We're getting married Oct 26 and have no idea where we will be living once we get married. Currently I live in VA, he is in IN. Once September hits, I will be moving to a new location due to my job. Not sure if we'll move wherever work moves me or if I'll move to IN.

The biggest thing that we're not doing at our reception (and some people will probably think it's rude, but... oh well.) is having a traditional sit-down meal. Heck, it's not even a buffet. Well, it is, of sorts. We're having an appetizer style meal - but with plenty of food to make it "meal worthy". I imagine there are some people who will probably flame me for our meal choice... but we're doing brinner.

We're also not going to be doing the garter & bouquet tosses. We're inviting +1s for practically everyone on our guest list. No B-list for us, either.

RebeccaB88 · April 2013

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[QUOTE] Rebecca, I walked away from a very unhealthy engagement 10 years ago and it took me a few years to get my ish together and break the notion of "our bond". I was still hung up even after walking away. It blows, it hurts, it is the worst thing I ever went through but there was/is a lot of light at the end of that tunnel mama. I promise. Just keep your head up and stay strong. This too shall pass.
Posted by rachelm13[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the vote of confidence. :) I'm sorry you had to go through that too. And you're right, it totally blows. I feel publicly shamed and humiliated, even though I did nothing wrong. But, I know there's that light out there somewhere, and I've got to get to it eventually. Someday I hope to start planning a wedding here that WILL happen.

MuppetFan · April 2013

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[QUOTE]I'm relatively quiet on this board - but not on others, so... I guess I'll post. We've been engaged since Oct 15, 2012. FH proposed at our alma mater - in our favorite coffee shop - after serenading me with a snippet of "Rythym of Love". I didn't cry. I thought I would, but... I didn't. We're getting married Oct 26 and have no idea where we will be living once we get married. Currently I live in VA, he is in IN. Once September hits, I will be moving to a new location due to my job. Not sure if we'll move wherever work moves me or if I'll move to IN. The biggest thing that we're not doing at our reception (and some people will probably think it's rude, but... oh well.) is having a traditional sit-down meal. Heck, it's not even a buffet. Well, it is, of sorts. We're having an appetizer style meal - but with plenty of food to make it "meal worthy". I imagine there are some people who will probably flame me for our meal choice... but we're doing brinner. We're also not going to be doing the garter & bouquet tosses. We're inviting +1s for practically everyone on our guest list. No B-list for us, either.
Posted by lplions[/QUOTE]

Is that hard for you to be so far apart?? I didn't cry when FI proposed to me either. I was laughing because of I was in a muppet costume (it was halloween). I really thought I'd cry too when it happened though.

swimmy1988 · April 2013

I'm Jen, getting married this June to Jon.
Something interesting about me? I have a Masters in Nutrition, but also a major sweet tooth.

One rude thing I won't be doing at my wedding is replacing any bridesmaids. I've posted about my sister being pregnant with twins. She's only about 5 months pregnant now, but my parents tell me she looks like she's full term. I have a feeling she might step down due to health reasons, and my family keeps asking me who I would get to replace her with.. My response is usually "if she decides she can't make it, then I'll just have 3 bridesmaids and note in the program she's an honourary bridesmaid. no biggie"

FizzySips · April 2013

Hi, my name is Rachael and I'm getting married in Seattle on August 23rd. Our wedding has no B list and everyone is invited with their SO or a +1 AND we are fully prepared to host 100% of our guest list (not counting on decline rsvps to make budget). My FI and I are saving up to buy a French Bulldog ASAP after we get back from our honeymoon. If we get a boy we already have names picked out and we even talk about him like he's here already. Something about us is that we blame silly things around the house on Ted (from that asinine movie with Mark Wahlberg). For instance, did Ted leave the light on in the closet? Or: dammit Ted, why did you turn off my alarm clock? So excited to have found this awesome network. I feel much more empowered and love that I can hang on different boards and meet the different regs.

FutureMrsW27 · April 2013

Hello! I'm definitely a quiet one

I've been engaged for a while but we didn't want to start planning while we were still in grad school so that I just started the planning recently. We just decided on a venue today in fact! Will be officially booking it this week once we okay the date with our immediate family since everyone has a crazy schedule ahead of them. Aiming for October 11, 2014. One thing that will definitely not be making it into my wedding is a cash bar! We want everyoen to have a carefree good time and will be happy enough that our guests are spending enough just travel out here for us! So excited!!

rachelm13 · April 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk : Thank you for the vote of confidence. :) I'm sorry you had to go through that too. And you're right, it totally blows. I feel publicly shamed and humiliated, even though I did nothing wrong. But, I know there's that light out there somewhere, and I've got to get to it eventually. Someday I hope to start planning a wedding here that WILL happen.
Posted by RebeccaB88[/QUOTE]

Totally not to thread jack, but, I totally understand the public shame. It's a cross between pity, judgey, curiosity, sorrow, a probably a few other emotions that you feel coming off of others. If you want to chat or unsolicited advice or anything feel free to PM.

You didn't do anything wrong! Keep repeating that.

[Deleted User] · April 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Att: Lurkers and Quiet Folk : Is that hard for you to be so far apart?? I didn't cry when FI proposed to me either. I was laughing because of I was in a muppet costume (it was halloween). I really thought I'd cry too when it happened though.
Posted by MuppetFan[/QUOTE]

<div>Long distance is never easy, no matter the miles. We've been back and forth a few times between long distance and close distance, actually. The distance has ranged from about 300 miles up to about 800 miles. Right now we see each other about every other month. We were able to spend Thanksgiving together, then Christmas apart. We saw each other again the weekend after Valentine's Day, and will be seeing each other again this weekend. (Only 4 days, now!) I figured it out at one point, and since Jan '12, we've spent about 30 days together.</div><div>
</div><div>It's hard, but it's worth it.</div>

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