releasing inmates?!?!

katheriner89 · December 2010

OK, am I the only one that thinks it is insane for California to just release inmates from prison because of "over crowding" & "cruel and unusual punishment" !?!

Nebb · December 2010

I think it largely depends what the offences were of the inmates they are releaseing, how long they had left on their sentence, etc.

kimheartsscott · December 2010

Agreed with Nebb. I need more info.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · December 2010

What kind of inmates?

There's a difference between people who shoplift and people who murder. Also - with the three strikes law in CA it should be no surprise to anyone that the prisons are overcrowded.

Y I Oughta · December 2010

I guess it depends on what they did. I think they have the three strike rule, which can sometimes put a non-violent offender in prison for life if they are caught with marijuana. I can see freeing some non-violent offenders that might have minor charges and won't hurt anybody, but only if it is necessary.

katheriner89 · December 2010

wayyy too much to type
here's the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101130/ts_yblog_thelookout/is-californias-prison-system-cruel-and-unusual-punishment

Nebb · December 2010

So youre not going to elaborate? Was this post supposed to be a rhetorical question?

kimheartsscott · December 2010

"The judges ordered California to release 40,00 inmates over two years."

I don't know if that is supposed to be 40 or 4 so I stopped reading.

kd.joseph · December 2010

The same thing happened one year at the local jail where I used to live. Only non-violent offenders, or people close to getting out anyway were released.

Do I want them out? No, but if you saw the conditions you wouldnt let your dog sleep there. And the violence would just escalate, making it worse for non-violent offenders. I think everyone should do there time, but who's going to pay for it?
And truthfully I've never seen the sense in putting someone who hasnt paid child support in jail, keep him out and make him work.

LessThanZero · December 2010

For some reason, the one thing that stood out in this article was:

"For instance, the lawyers argue, prisoners aren't receiving adequate access to health care. "Prisoners are dying unnecessarily at the alarming rate of one every eight days because they do not receive basic medical care from the State," wrote Donald Specter of the Prison Law Office."

I know even prisoners have rights. But there's certainly plenty of law abiding members of society who can't receive basic medical care under certain circumstances. I don't know, that just bothered me.

And I agree with PP's. It depends on what they're in prison for in the first place. I don't think serial killers are being released in droves. But since the prisons are overcrowded, not only prisoners but prison staff is being negatively affected, and the state of California is in financial disarray - I don't see why releasing people who have had minor drug offenses and such is all that big of a deal.

LessThanZero · December 2010

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[QUOTE]" The judges ordered California to release 40,00 inmates over two years." I don't know if that is supposed to be 40 or 4 so I stopped reading.
Posted by kimheartsscott[/QUOTE]

I kind of hope it's only 4,000. Because 40,000 seems like way too much.

katheriner89 · December 2010

I'm just worried about the rapist, drug lords, child predators & killers.

Anyone in there for a simple charge, I don't have a problem with.

Nebb · December 2010

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[QUOTE]I'm just worried about the rapist, drug lords, child predators & killers. Anyone in there for a simple charge, I don't have a problem with.
Posted by katheriner89[/QUOTE]
Thats not even using your head though. Dont you think people with small drug charges, petty theifs, and people in for other small reasons would be left out before MURDERERS. Really?? Come on...

jasmineh7777 · December 2010

Wait...you guys aren't all for cruel and unusual punishment? :P

jasmineh7777 · December 2010

Wait...you guys aren't all for cruel and unusual punishment? :P

Y I Oughta · December 2010

Honestly OP, do you think it's like a raffle or they just release anyone that raises their hand. I don't think they are releasing rapist and murderers.

NatesGirl16 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Wait...you guys aren't all for cruel and unusual punishment? :P
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
You know I am. After all, I do go to Mass. :P

J&K10910 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: releasing inmates?!?! : Thats not even using your head though. Dont you think people with small drug charges, petty theifs, and people in for other small reasons would be left out before MURDERERS. Really?? Come on...
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

Yeah...this.

OP, what would you suggest they do to avoid this?

beatlesgirl25 · December 2010

I bet if they all developed eating disorders, that would save the prison system some money so they could keep more guys in it.

Sorry, had to...

J&K10910 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]I bet if they all developed eating disorders, that would save the prison system some money so they could keep more guys in it. Sorry, had to...
Posted by beatlesgirl25[/QUOTE]

You kill me. My god.

beatlesgirl25 · December 2010

BecW2be · December 2010

OMGDED.

J&K10910 · December 2010

I just don't understand why they can't stack 'em 5 high, feed them bread and water, and screw the medical care. That would solve a lot of problems.

beatlesgirl25 · December 2010

We spent the greater part of this afternoon "getting" dongs and vags. I think today is a loose day on the board.

Y I Oughta · December 2010

Haha, This is true. I think I laughed more today than any other day.

beatlesgirl25 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Jeez, they should have thought about the eating disorder thing earlier- I'll be sure to e-mail Mr. Obama about that right now. Your so funny lady :)
Posted by katheriner89[/QUOTE]

I can't take credit for that, I had some great inspiration.

sister2groom · December 2010

From the LA times, so fewer typos/errors:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-prisons-20101201,0,7617279.story

Just for the record, it's 40,000 who are supposed to be released.

And as far as 1 dying a week, that means nothing out of context. How old are the ones that die? What would be their life expectancy out of prison (especially considering the inmates involved in drugs or prostitution and others who have done a real number on their bodies)? I mean there are around 150,000 inmates total, so 50 deaths a year MAY not be excessive. If they're dying because there aren't enough guards to control fights or there are a bunch of 30 yo dying of like the common flu, then that really says something about overcrowding. But if they're just dying of alcohol-induced liver failure or because they're old...

Personally, I think whining about having to double-bunk is a bit ridiculous, but if it conditions are actually unsafe because of overcrowding I don't know what else you can do besides slim down "amenities" (if any, I know some prisons have TV access and gyms). Since I would assume they're already doing that, I guess you have to let some first-time petty criminals out. If you don't have a choice, you don't have a choice.

But I think there has to be some sort of tradeoff, like if you're let out super early you get much more severe parole requirements for a longer period of time. Regardless, I'm just glad I'm not living in CA right now (or maybe I just tell myself that because it's freaking freezing here).

J&K10910 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]But I think there has to be some sort of tradeoff, like if you're let out super early you get much more severe parole requirements for a longer period of time.
Posted by sister2groom[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you really can't do that.

taniamarie45 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]From the LA times, so fewer typos/errors: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-prisons-20101201,0,7617279.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-prisons-20101201,0,7617279.story</a> Just for the record, it's 40,000 who are supposed to be released. And as far as 1 dying a week, that means nothing out of context. How old are the ones that die? What would be their life expectancy out of prison (especially considering the inmates involved in drugs or prostitution and others who have done a real number on their bodies)? I mean there are around 150,000 inmates total, so 50 deaths a year MAY not be excessive. If they're dying because there aren't enough guards to control fights or there are a bunch of 30 yo dying of like the common flu, then that really says something about overcrowding. But if they're just dying of alcohol-induced liver failure or because they're old... Personally, I think whining about having to double-bunk is a bit ridiculous, but if it conditions are actually unsafe because of overcrowding I don't know what else you can do besides slim down "amenities" (if any, I know some prisons have TV access and gyms). Since I would assume they're already doing that, I guess you have to let some first-time petty criminals out. If you don't have a choice, you don't have a choice. But I think there has to be some sort of tradeoff, like if you're let out super early you get much more severe parole requirements for a longer period of time. Regardless, I'm just glad I'm not living in CA right now (or maybe I just tell myself that because it's freaking freezing here).
Posted by sister2groom[/QUOTE]

Long ass post. My twat just hurts reading this garbage!

vegasgroom · December 2010

California, the state that sent out IOU's instead of income tax refund checks because the state is broke. Everyone would like to have an unlimited supply of money to have everything they want, unfortunately no one wants to contribute to that unlimited supply which leaves a small amount of money where 50% is probably mis-spent by politicians and the other 50% goes to useful things, and of that small amount that goes to useful things, prison construction is not so high on the list so this is the result.

Lenore2010 · December 2010

Forgive me, but as someone who has seen plenty of the criminal justice system, I just have to say numerous things piss me off about it.

First, we incarcerate more people in the U.S. than any other nation, and we continue to have one of the highest violent crime rates per capita in the world. Something is messed up here, and no I do not think it is just about not incarcerating the felons for long enough sentences and/or paroling them out too soon.

I think a huge part of the problem is that prisons are full of people who have committed drug-related crimes, and people who are in on mandatory minimums or three strike laws that may or may not make any damn sense at all in a given case. Taking discretion away from sentencing judges satisfied a populist angry fervor to lock 'em all up n' throw away the key, but it was hellacrappy law.

Meanwhile, first time offender (meaning first time CONVICTED) rapists and other violent criminals are still getting sometimes shockingly light sentences. I have personally seen, in a single week a man sentenced to many, many years for growing/selling pot and another one sentenced to seven years for rape.

So, yes I am sure that California prisons are frighteningly overcrowded-often with the wrong people. I am also sure that in releasing some of these prisoners a goodly number of those released will be the ones who ought to stay, and vice versa. Because the American criminal justice system is seriously broken, and in need of repair that goes far beyond the simple lust to throw 'em all in prison that has dominated public discourse on the topic since the 1980's.

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