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NWR Returning Lost Dog

Alright, looking for some thoughts on this.....my sister found a lost dog at her local mall two weeks ago wandering the parking lot.  She took the dog home and cleaned it up (to say it was flea infested would be a massive understatement) and called the local humane society, animal control and local vet offices to see if anyone had reported the dog missing.  But no one had.

A few days later she happened upon an old listing online from Sept 2012 with a pic of a similar looking dog.  She called the number listed and low and behold it belonged to a gentleman who lived out of state but lost the dog when he was driving through my sister's town.  My sister sent the gentleman several pictures and he was able to confirm that it was indeed his dog.  My sister wanted to return the dog, but the gentleman is in such poor health at this point that he told her to keep it.  They've emailed back and forth every few days since so that she can give him updates.

She took the dog to the vet the next day to get checked out and was told that the dog had been severely neglected for months on end.  My sister told the vet the story of the dog being abandoned and on its own for 9 months and he commented that such circumstances would explain the dog displaying very strong symptoms of neglect and abuse.  She got the dog all checked out and received medicine to give the dog for the skin conditions it had developed from what the vet said were months on end of intense flea infestation.

Fast forward one week and my sister sees a lost dog sign at the stoplight near the mall with a picture that is super blurry, but looks like the dog she found.  It said the dog was lost two weeks ago in the mall parking lot.  One part of her wants to call these people up and make sure it's not somehow their dog, but the other part of her is very hesitant since the vet so clearly said that the dog had been neglected and abused for quite some time.  

She called last night to ask what she should do, but I'm at a loss.  Everyone else is telling her to keep it since it was clearly mistreated before and because she has found the owner who lost it 9 months ago.  But another friend told her that legally she has to call these people since there is a chance this gentleman could have mis-identified the dog and it could be theirs.  

I'm a huge animal lover (my dog is truly considered a family member and goes everywhere with us...I even bring her to work), and if I lost her I would want her returned immediately, but I'm also a little perplexed as to why these people waited 2 weeks to put up lost dog signs.  And why did they allow this poor dog to live in such filth if they care so much about her.

Thoughts?  It's not my call to make since my sister found her, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think is the right thing in this case.  Obviously in any other circumstance you should immediately return the dog, but does the neglect and abuse play into this at all??  

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  • AmsdragonflyAmsdragonfly member
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    My family has a history of working with animal rescue and animal rights, and I have seen similar situations, so I will tell you what we would recommend in your situation. 

    Your sister did her research, contacted the person she thought was the owner, etc. By the sounds of it, that man might not be the owner and it is much more likely that these people with the new signs are the actual owners. They could have a million reasons for why they were unable to put up signs until now. 

    After consulting with her vet (who I am sure she trusts) your sister found that this dog was obviously neglected much before the time the dog would have become lost. If she trusts this information and the vet who told her this, I would wager that these people would continue to "care" for the dog in the same way they did before losing the dog. 

    Almost 7 years ago we used to live near a house that had three German Shepherds chained to dog houses night and day with no human contact except when the dogs would be given food or water if their owner remembered to feed/water them. They were neglected- and long story short we did everything we could to have animal control remove these poor animals from the care of this man and his gf. Once one of the dogs got loose, and animal control happened to be in the area when we found the dog, who was flea infested and very very skinny. They took the dog, who was checked out by a vet (determined to be borderline healthy- but not neglected enough to be taken from this man) and this dog was given back to the man. (We learned he only had the dogs to "stud" out.) We don't live there anymore, but I'm sure this continues. We found out later that the man was old hs buddies with the animal control officer, who also happened to know the vet... I wish I had taken that dog far away and been able to give it the love and home it deserved. 

    My point with this is, if I were your sister, I would keep the dog (assuming she is capable, had the funds and home/space). For the sake of one animal that would hopefully never have to live neglected again, like so many others do. 

    Please keep us updated as to what happens! Good luck!

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  • My family has a history of working with animal rescue and animal rights, and I have seen similar situations, so I will tell you what we would recommend in your situation. 

    Your sister did her research, contacted the person she thought was the owner, etc. By the sounds of it, that man might not be the owner and it is much more likely that these people with the new signs are the actual owners. They could have a million reasons for why they were unable to put up signs until now. 

    After consulting with her vet (who I am sure she trusts) your sister found that this dog was obviously neglected much before the time the dog would have become lost. If she trusts this information and the vet who told her this, I would wager that these people would continue to "care" for the dog in the same way they did before losing the dog. 

    Almost 7 years ago we used to live near a house that had three German Shepherds chained to dog houses night and day with no human contact except when the dogs would be given food or water if their owner remembered to feed/water them. They were neglected- and long story short we did everything we could to have animal control remove these poor animals from the care of this man and his gf. Once one of the dogs got loose, and animal control happened to be in the area when we found the dog, who was flea infested and very very skinny. They took the dog, who was checked out by a vet (determined to be borderline healthy- but not neglected enough to be taken from this man) and this dog was given back to the man. (We learned he only had the dogs to "stud" out.) We don't live there anymore, but I'm sure this continues. We found out later that the man was old hs buddies with the animal control officer, who also happened to know the vet... I wish I had taken that dog far away and been able to give it the love and home it deserved. 

    My point with this is, if I were your sister, I would keep the dog (assuming she is capable, had the funds and home/space). For the sake of one animal that would hopefully never have to live neglected again, like so many others do. 

    Please keep us updated as to what happens! Good luck!
    Your post just gave me a little hope for that poor dog :)  She came into town yesterday (she lives out of state) and took it to the vet I use because it had thrown up twice that morning.  My vet told her the same thing: the scars on it were from months of neglect.

    She has the time (SAHM) and financial means to give this dog a really great, loving home and just hates the idea of it going back to someone who is going to neglect it.

    I'll definitely keep you posted on what pans out though!
  • What type of scars are we talking about? Abuse from being hit with something, or muzzle scars from fighting? This sounds like this poor dog has been through the ringer... I'm so happy your sister has given him/her the medical attention and the human attention he/she needs. 
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  • There's no way in hell I'd call them given the state of the dog in which your sister found it. Consider it instant karma as far as the previous owners are concerned.   I wouldn't hold the two week delay against them though for the signs--that could be explained in numerous different ways--but the fact that nothing was reported to the humane society, vets, animal shelters?  WTF?
  • It's hard to say without being in your sister's shoes, but I think it's reasonable to believe that she found the actual owner (the old man) and the dog was on it's own when your sister found him.

     If the picture at the stoplight was super blurry and it's obvious, per the vet, that the dog was neglected and not taken care of, I would not even think it was the dog in that picture. If the dog was in the type of condition you describe, I doubt its new owner would go to the trouble of making fliers and go around posting them.
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  • What type of scars are we talking about? Abuse from being hit with something, or muzzle scars from fighting? This sounds like this poor dog has been through the ringer... I'm so happy your sister has given him/her the medical attention and the human attention he/she needs. 
    I wasn't there at the vet with her, so I can't say for certain.  She said there were several scars the vet pointed out, but the only specific one she mentioned to me was the staining pattern on the dog's back feet.  The vet said those stains were from blood since the dog scratched itself so much for so long due to the fleas :(
  • Abs211981 said:
    Alright, looking for some thoughts on this.....my sister found a lost dog at her local mall two weeks ago wandering the parking lot.  She took the dog home and cleaned it up (to say it was flea infested would be a massive understatement) and called the local humane society, animal control and local vet offices to see if anyone had reported the dog missing.  But no one had.

    A few days later she happened upon an old listing online from Sept 2012 with a pic of a similar looking dog.  She called the number listed and low and behold it belonged to a gentleman who lived out of state but lost the dog when he was driving through my sister's town.  My sister sent the gentleman several pictures and he was able to confirm that it was indeed his dog.  My sister wanted to return the dog, but the gentleman is in such poor health at this point that he told her to keep it.  They've emailed back and forth every few days since so that she can give him updates.

    She took the dog to the vet the next day to get checked out and was told that the dog had been severely neglected for months on end.  My sister told the vet the story of the dog being abandoned and on its own for 9 months and he commented that such circumstances would explain the dog displaying very strong symptoms of neglect and abuse.  She got the dog all checked out and received medicine to give the dog for the skin conditions it had developed from what the vet said were months on end of intense flea infestation.

    Fast forward one week and my sister sees a lost dog sign at the stoplight near the mall with a picture that is super blurry, but looks like the dog she found.  It said the dog was lost two weeks ago in the mall parking lot.  One part of her wants to call these people up and make sure it's not somehow their dog, but the other part of her is very hesitant since the vet so clearly said that the dog had been neglected and abused for quite some time.  

    She called last night to ask what she should do, but I'm at a loss.  Everyone else is telling her to keep it since it was clearly mistreated before and because she has found the owner who lost it 9 months ago.  But another friend told her that legally she has to call these people since there is a chance this gentleman could have mis-identified the dog and it could be theirs.  

    I'm a huge animal lover (my dog is truly considered a family member and goes everywhere with us...I even bring her to work), and if I lost her I would want her returned immediately, but I'm also a little perplexed as to why these people waited 2 weeks to put up lost dog signs.  And why did they allow this poor dog to live in such filth if they care so much about her.

    Thoughts?  It's not my call to make since my sister found her, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think is the right thing in this case.  Obviously in any other circumstance you should immediately return the dog, but does the neglect and abuse play into this at all??  

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    I focused on the vet's comment about the 9 months explaining the dog's neglect and malnourishment. If the dog belonged to the people who lost it 2 weeks ago, that's upsetting to fathom--could the dog have gotten that unhealthy in just a couple weeks? I don't know.

    My first step would be to talk to the cruelty department of the local humane society, if you have one, and find out how they would investigate this, given that a vet already pronounced him neglected. 

  • Abs211981- It is 100% clear that this dog was not taken care of- if it was lost when the flyers say it was, then it was infested with fleas much before it was lost... not to mention the scars. :(
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    Here are my thoughts:

    It is a very good possibility that this man lost the dog 9 months ago and perhaps these other people "took it in" since then but provided a poor home for it and neglected it in the interim time between when he lost it and your sister found it.

    Shelters around here are required to keep stray dogs for just a few days as "lost" before releasing them for adoption.  This allows for owners that may have lost their pet to claim them.   Therefore, since your sister has had the dog for over 2 weeks, I'd say that she would be free to 'keep' him because if it was a shelter that found him?  He could have already been put up for adoption.

    Personally - I hope your sister will keep the dog.  I have a REAL hard time with people that neglect animals.  Animals are helpless and dependent upon their owners to take care of them.   The fact that this dog has been neglected (per two vets) would mean that *if* these other people had the dog...they are not providing it good care.    If she cannot keep the dog, I'd find a no-kill rescue group and take the dog to them.  They will help the dog to find a forever home where it can be loved and treated well.


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  • I'm glad you all share the same viewpoint I did.  Under normal circumstances I would call those people up without a moment's hesitation to return their dog, but I told my sister that I think things are a little different considering the state she found the dog in.

    The vet said that there's no way the dog got like that in a matter of a few weeks, but rather through months of neglect.  

    She had thought about turning it in as animal cruelty, but like another poster said, unless it's incredibly severe (and it will be harder to see now that she's got the dog all cleaned up), the state just won't take the time to investigate enough to allow my sister to keep her.

    Looks like she has a new dog :)  
  • Here are my thoughts:

    It is a very good possibility that this man lost the dog 9 months ago and perhaps these other people "took it in" since then but provided a poor home for it and neglected it in the interim time between when he lost it and your sister found it.

    Shelters around here are required to keep stray dogs for just a few days as "lost" before releasing them for adoption.  This allows for owners that may have lost their pet to claim them.   Therefore, since your sister has had the dog for over 2 weeks, I'd say that she would be free to 'keep' him because if it was a shelter that found him?  He could have already been put up for adoption.

    Personally - I hope your sister will keep the dog.  I have a REAL hard time with people that neglect animals.  Animals are helpless and dependent upon their owners to take care of them.   The fact that this dog has been neglected (per two vets) would mean that *if* these other people had the dog...they are not providing it good care.    If she cannot keep the dog, I'd find a no-kill rescue group and take the dog to them.  They will help the dog to find a forever home where it can be loved and treated well.


    This.  This right here is why I feel that this situation differs from your standard lost dog scenario.  


  • Dogs go missing and end up with new families all the time. Your sister mad reasonable effort to contact whom she believed was the true owner and invested her own time and money trying to care for and return the dog to health. So I would say there is no legal claim someone could make against her, but just in case I would keep the emails from the old man and any reports she may have from the vets. 

    As an animal lover myself, I beg her to keep the dog and not contact these other people. That puppy has had a hard life and finally found someone to love it! I wouldn't feel the least bit bad about not contacting the other people, if it is their dog they don't deserve to have it back, and at the very least the old man thinks his dog has a happy new home. So its a win win!
  • I would not contact the people who put up the flyer ether. If they don't have the means or the heart to treat the dog humanely - whereas your sister does - they should not be given custody of this dog. I'd recommend your sister just turn a blind eye to the flyer and keep emails she has with the old man. I'm so glad that this dog has found a loving home.
  • Honestly, I'd double check with the vet that there is no way that dog being on its own for two weeks could explain its condition before keeping it. We frontline and bathe our dogs, and we still have a hard time keeping fleas off of them. If they were outside for two weeks they would be infested and bitten bloody. We also live in Florida, and warm dry winters mean the fleas never really die, so maybe it is different where you are. Our big dog also has a few scars on his face. He had them when we got him. I'd hate for someone to find him, see those scars and fleas and decide we were bad dog parents. You can also call the number on the flyer and ask them for picture of them with the dog. If the dog looks unloved and neglected in the pictures, you just have to say,"Nope, not the dog I found" and let that be the end of it.
    Well she did ask the vet this.  He said the discoloration on the back of her feet were from months on end of scratching fleas :(

    I totally get your point though.  She definitely would never keep the dog from a caring home.  Ever.  But since it appears (based on 2 vets' diagnosis) that she was abused and neglected for a long time my sister is kind of wondering if it's okay to keep her.  That's what I was trying to explain in the OP.
  • Keep it. I had a similar situation this year when I found two beagles on the interstate. A male and female, both were abused,starved, had some ailments. I searched and eventully found the owners, they had been charged for animal neglect. My vet believes they escaped from the marks on their bodies.

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  • I'm with everyone that says to keep him. 

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  • Keep the dog!  He deserves a loving home and has been through enough.  I wouldn't even take the chance on returning him to a less-than-ideal home.  She's done her due diligence.  
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  • Agree with everyone else.  If there's no way that's just from 2 weeks of being a stray, then I wouldn't give the dog back to potentially bad pet owners.

    Reminds me of two little yorkie dogs dumped in a box at my sister's vet clinic.  Crazy flea infested--one of them so badly that she was almost dead.  Just lying there and couldn't move.  They had to give her a blood transfusion.  But after much love and care, they're all better and adorable as ever.  

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  • I vote keep it.  I have adopted dogs and its so sad when you learn their history.  My most recent was sent to a shelter, for lord knows what reason, and he is the biggest baby ever.  He is so spoiled now and an entirely different dog than when we first met him. It is so wrong to abuse animals, so very wrong. 

  • Ugh this thread is so heartbreaking. So glad your sister rescued the dog, what a great thing to do!
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  • If the dog belongs to the man who lost it 9 months ago, your sister's in the clear anyway.  If it belongs to the people who put up signs about losing their dog two weeks ago... well... screw them.  If that's the case, they clearly mistreated the dog and, for the dog's well being, I wouldn't send it back to owners like that.

    Kudos to your sister!
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    I have done this twice in the past year. Kinda.

     

    First, I found a horribly matted shihtzu 2 months ago that just randomly went to my boyfriends car dealer. He was in horrible condition. I took him to my vet and he had a microchip - BUT of course the owners did not take the few minutes to send in the paper after they bought the dog from god knows what "puppy palace". I ended up dropping some serious cash on him, and my mom ended up adopting him. :) I did not look on craigslist, and I didn't look for any signage. Per my vet and how badly his hair was matted he must have been on his own, alone for months.

    I felt guilty for a total of maybe 45 minutes, but then again the neighborhood that I found him in is a bad neighborhood. He was also not neutered!

     

    Just this past week my neighbor decided that he no longer wanted the kitten he took in to his home. I saw the little guy (maybe 3 months old) outside, and he seemed to have gotten in to a fight with another male cat. There were maggots in his wounds. I saw the condition he was in, and I stole him. I got him all better and checked out at the vet, and now he is in a foster home and will hopefully be adopted soon! I considered filing an animal abuse complaint, but decided against it.

     

    It costs 20 to microchip your animal, if you don't do that and it gets picked up by animal control if has anywhere from 3-5 days on a stray hold and then it will be available for adoption, rescue, or euthanasia.

     

    Tell your sister that shes a good person, and to give the dog all the lovin' hes never had!

  • It cost us $60 to chip our dog, but worth every penny. I'm even thinking about gps chipping her too, since micro chipping her only helps if whoever finds her brings her in.
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  • This is somewhat off topic but reminded me of something that happened recently.

    My parents live on 2 acres and they let their dog roam freely over the property. She loves it! Well there is a school bus stop on the corner of my parent's property and Daisy the pug loves kids. Naturally she went over to the bus stop every morning. One day, a lady with a pug rescue picked her up from my parent's property and claimed her as lost. She took her to the vet and had her vaccinated. Granted, my parents were up to date on her shots. She had lost her collar but was microchipped. For some reason, they couldn't get a hold of my parents from the microchip information. Anyway, this lady was going to keep her. After looking for daisy for days, some kids at the bus stop finally told her what happened. My mom went to the lady's house and she gave daisy back but charged my mom $150 for the vet bill.

    I understand wanting to help and rescue dogs but this lady literally took the dog off of my mom's property.
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  • Jodee, Some people, in an effort to be helpful, become self righteous jerks instead. I'm glad your parents got her back!
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