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Best "man" pulls out with lousy excuse.... needs help

My fiance's cousin was going to be our best "man" (yes, she) Today, she imformed my fiance that she was pulling out, using the dress price as an excuse. Here's her whole explanation:

Hi, I'm dropping out because I cannot afford the dress. I have conveyed the message to ... as he is the one who asked me to be part of the wedding. And from my understanding he is fine with that. I do have issue with the reception as it's a pot luck as you are throwing a party therefore you don't ask people to "pay" (aka bring food) to a wedding. And I do have an issue with purchasing a designer dress for a wedding that is on a tight budget. Read up on some wedding etiquette. Please stop calling me as I have informed Aaron and as being asked to be the best man, I would be on his side of the isle and not part of the bridesmaid group. I have given the two of you plenty of time to find a replacement as the wedding is over a year away. And I have done a wedding on a shoestring budget. We still paid for everyone's food as I was more concerned with people having a good time instead of making sure everyone chipped into help pull it off. We were engaged for over 2 years so we would be able to pay for the wedding we wanted. I wish you and ... much happiness.
Now, let me say that her wedding budget was 10k, ours barely a quarter of that. My fiance is a pastor's son. His father pastor's 2 church and we're going to give an open invitation to them which makes the number of people who will come to the reception uncertain. We were going to have people from the church bring a copy of their favorite recipes and a small sample instead of gifts.

This has completely upset my fiance and I. She could have talked to me about finding a different dress that was within her price range instead of acting like a 5 year old. My fiance looked up whether a potluck was appropriate because I was uncertain of the etiquette and found that it was appropriate.

What should my reaction be to this trantrum thrown by our "best man"?
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    [QUOTE]My fiance's cousin was going to be our best "man" (yes, she) Today, she imformed my fiance that she was pulling out, using the dress price as an excuse. Here's her whole explanation: Hi, I'm dropping out because I cannot afford the dress. I have conveyed the message to ... as he is the one who asked me to be part of the wedding. And from my understanding he is fine with that. I do have issue with the reception as it's a pot luck as you are throwing a party therefore you don't ask people to "pay" (aka bring food) to a wedding. And I do have an issue with purchasing a designer dress for a wedding that is on a tight budget. Read up on some wedding etiquette. Please stop calling me as I have informed Aaron and as being asked to be the best man, I would be on his side of the isle and not part of the bridesmaid group. I have given the two of you plenty of time to find a replacement as the wedding is over a year away. And I have done a wedding on a shoestring budget. We still paid for everyone's food as I was more concerned with people having a good time instead of making sure everyone chipped into help pull it off. We were engaged for over 2 years so we would be able to pay for the wedding we wanted. I wish you and ... much happiness. Now, let me say that her wedding budget was 10k, ours barely a quarter of that. My fiance is a pastor's son. His father pastor's 2 church and we're going to give an open invitation to them which makes the number of people who will come to the reception uncertain. We were going to have people from the church bring a copy of their favorite recipes and a small sample instead of gifts. This has completely upset my fiance and I. She could have talked to me about finding a different dress that was within her price range instead of acting like a 5 year old. My fiance looked up whether a potluck was appropriate because I was uncertain of the etiquette and found that it was appropriate. What should my reaction be to this trantrum thrown by our "best man"?
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]

    While I think she could have stated her case more diplomatically, I have to agree with her. If you're keeping your wedding low budget, why ask your attendants to buy expensive attire? It would have been better to let her wear a dress she already owned, to match the groomsmen.

    You've got 14 months until your wedding to smooth this over, and to rethink some other things, like that potluck reception. If you're on a tight budget, consider hosting cake and punch, or finger foods only, rather than asking your guests to foot the bill for dinner.
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    To be honest having a potluck reception is a pretty douche move. She has explained why she cant be in it, thank her for being honest with you and tell her that she will be missed - then rethink this pot luck reception idea youve cooked up and find a way not to make your guests bring their own food to your wedding.
  • There's that word "isle" again <sigh>

    Let her go........just like a poster in a thread below who wants to hold her brother hostage to be a ringbearer - you cannot make people do what they don't want to do (or can't do).  She obviously has strong opinions about the dress and the potluck reception.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Best "man" pulls out with lousy excuse.... needs help : While I think she could have stated her case more diplomatically, I have to agree with her. If you're keeping your wedding low budget, why ask your attendants to buy expensive attire? It would have been better to let her wear a dress she already owned, to match the groomsmen. You've got 14 months until your wedding to smooth this over, and to rethink some other things, like that potluck reception. If you're on a tight budget, consider hosting cake and punch, or finger foods only, rather than asking your guests to foot the bill for dinnDer.
    Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]
    This.

    I'm sorry that you are in this situation but I really agree that you should have a low budget wedding overall (including dresses).  I would be offended if I had to buy an expensive dress AND bring food too. 
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  • Can I give your best woman a standing ovation?

    She's on the blunt side, but she's also dead right on all accounts, as far as I can tell.  If I were you, I'd seriously consider everything she had to say.  You have a long time to go, and the choices you've made can be changed. 
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    [QUOTE]My fiance's cousin was going to be our best "man" (yes, she) Today, she imformed my fiance that she was pulling out, using the dress price as an excuse. Here's her whole explanation: Hi, I'm dropping out because I cannot afford the dress.<strong> I have conveyed the message to ... as he is the one who asked me to be part of the wedding</strong>. And from my understanding he is fine with that. I do have issue with the reception as it's a pot luck as you are throwing a party therefore you don't ask people to "pay" (aka bring food) to a wedding. And I do have an issue with purchasing a designer dress for a wedding that is on a tight budget. Read up on some wedding etiquette.<strong> Please stop calling me as I have informed Aaron and as being asked to be the best man, I would be on his side of the isle and not part of the bridesmaid group</strong>. I have given the two of you plenty of time to find a replacement as the <strong>wedding is over a year aw</strong>ay. And I have done a wedding on a shoestring budget. We still paid for everyone's food as I was more concerned with people having a good time instead of making sure everyone chipped into help pull it off. We were engaged for over 2 years so we would be able to pay for the wedding we wanted. I wish you and ... much happiness. Now, let me say that her wedding budget was 10k, ours barely a quarter of that. My fiance is a pastor's son. His father pastor's 2 church and we're going to give an open invitation to them which makes the number of people who will come to the reception uncertain. We were going to have people from the church bring a copy of their favorite recipes and a small sample instead of gifts. This has completely upset my fiance and I. She could have talked to me about finding a different dress that was within her price range instead of acting like a 5 year old. My fiance looked up whether a potluck was appropriate because I was uncertain of the etiquette and found that it was appropriate. What should my reaction be to this trantrum thrown by our "best man"?
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]

    Your reaction should be nothing. As she stated, she would have been on your Fi's side of the aisle and if he is fine with it just let it be. Let him know to pass along that you would be willing to work with her dress budget, but accept that she just doesn't seem to want to be in the wedding. Send her an invite as a guest and get over it.

    I think having a pot luck wedding with an uncertain amount of guests is a recipe for disaster. It also does place a lot of burden on your guests. They are your guests, not your caterers, and I would be pretty miffed if I had to wake up extra early to cook something for a friend's wedding. It's one thing to potluck with 20 people, but 2 churches makes me think you are looking at 100+. That is not really a good potluck size. You need to fully feed your guests, not give them "samples" of food. If you do go this route I would suggest wording the invite in a way to let guests know there will not be a full dinner and anyone with allergies is on their own.

    Also, you should not have asked your wedding party over a year in advanced anyways. Friendships change, financial situations change, and it is not a great idea to ask people to make that commitment at such an early date.

    I think you really do need to do a bit of reading up about wedding etiquette, lurk on this board, and learn a bit more before you dig yourself into a hole.
  • I simply asked what she thought of the dress and which color she liked. This was the first time that she had mentioned a problem with the price. I never got the chance to talk to her about finding a different dress or a less expensive dress.
  • We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
  • I don't think it's a "lousy" excuse at all, actually.  And, although she might have been kinder in her email - less defensive - she makes some very good points that you might consider in planning your wedding over the next 14 months.
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    [QUOTE]I simply asked what she thought of the dress and which color she liked. This was the first time that she had mentioned a problem with the price. I never got the chance to talk to her about finding a different dress or a less expensive dress.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]
    Why don't you ask her for some budget wedding planning tips. Or have your FI talk to her.  I'm sorry but it sounds like you need to take control of this situation or you are going to end up with a tacky wedding.
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    [QUOTE]We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]
    Wow... "youre not good enough to get a formal invitation, but please bring food to justify why you are there"?
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    [QUOTE]We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]
    Is this the only food you are planning on having at your reception?
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    [QUOTE]We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]
    Oh . . . wow.  I don't really have any words for someone who thinks it makes it better that the "invited" guests don't have to chip in to the pot luck reception.
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    [QUOTE]We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]

    This doesn't make any sense to me.  So an unknown number of people <em>might</em> make food for an unknown number of people who <em>might</em> show up?   That is a recipe for disaster - how is everyone going to get fed?  Even if you considered this an hors d'oerve reception, a few folks bringing "samples" = a few people get a few morsels and everyone else sees them eating but goes without. 
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    [QUOTE]My fiance's cousin was going to be our best "man" (yes, she) Today, she imformed my fiance that she was pulling out, using the dress price as an excuse. Here's her whole explanation: Hi, I'm dropping out because I cannot afford the dress. I have conveyed the message to ... as he is the one who asked me to be part of the wedding. And from my understanding he is fine with that. I do have issue with the reception as it's a pot luck as you are throwing a party therefore you don't ask people to "pay" (aka bring food) to a wedding. And I do have an issue with purchasing a designer dress for a wedding that is on a tight budget. Read up on some wedding etiquette. Please stop calling me as I have informed Aaron and as being asked to be the best man, I would be on his side of the isle and not part of the bridesmaid group. I have given the two of you plenty of time to find a replacement as the wedding is over a year away. And I have done a wedding on a shoestring budget. We still paid for everyone's food as I was more concerned with people having a good time instead of making sure everyone chipped into help pull it off. We were engaged for over 2 years so we would be able to pay for the wedding we wanted. I wish you and ... much happiness. Now, let me say that her wedding budget was 10k, ours barely a quarter of that. My fiance is a pastor's son. His father pastor's 2 church and we're going to give an open invitation to them which makes the number of people who will come to the reception uncertain. We were going to have people from the church bring a copy of their favorite recipes and a small sample instead of gifts. This has completely upset my fiance and I. She could have talked to me about finding a different dress that was within her price range instead of acting like a 5 year old. My fiance looked up whether a potluck was appropriate because I was uncertain of the etiquette and found that it was appropriate. What should my reaction be to this trantrum thrown by our "best man"?
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]

    She quit.  That's that.  Either respond to her message or call her and say that you're sorry she's not able to be part of the wedding party, but you hope she'll share the day with you.  Don't get into any of the other stuff with her - it can't possibly go well.

    Now, as for all the other things -

    Pot Luck - poor etiquette.  If you're hosting a party, you pay for it, for all the food, etc.  Don't ask your guests to bring any food.  If you found that somewhere, I'd like to know where, because it's absolutely not acceptable.

    Open Invitations - don't do it.  If you want someone to attend, invite them by name.  Would you post something on a bulliten board at your mother's place of employment and invite everyone to just show up?  Inviting the congregation that way is the same thing.  Mail invites.  Don't post an open invite.

    Gifts - You can't tell your guests what to give you, regardless of whether they're from the church or not.  If they give you a gift, that's nice.  But you can't demand it. 

    Dress - did you ask her budget before you selected a dress?  If you did, she responded, and you stayed within that, then it seems she used that as an excuse to quit.

    Also - how many times have you called her?  It sounds like she feels like you're harassing her, and she wants nothing to do with you.  Leave her alone.  She's your FI's cousin, let him talk to her.
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    [QUOTE]We are not asking invited guests to bring food, just people from the churches that were not sent formal invitations that may come (this is the fiancé by the way). I can't expect my dad to not announce this to the congregations after all.
    Posted by msutton77[/QUOTE]

    Please tell me I'm reading this wrong, because I am interpretting this as
    "My ffil is announcing to his congregation that they can attend the reception if they bring food" Which means there is a very strong possibility they will either not come at all or not come with the food, either way resulting in your guests having no food.

    I may be wrong, but I believe it would be proper to invite the congregation to attend the ceremony but not the reception as it's a public place of worship. However you still need to provide real catering at the reception.
  • Nebb hit the nail on the head.  You're welcome to come if you bring food??
    That's just not cool - and it could bring a lot of resentment among the congregation.

    As far as the dress goes, I think a better tact would have been to say, "What's your dress budget?"

    So how does the food thing actually work?  Are you feeding most guests a catered meal but the ones who aren't really invited eat the food they brought?  I'm confused.
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    She could have worded her email a bit more carefully, but she has a point. Potluck receptions are uncool. The only exception I can see for doing this is if you invite a small number of very, very close friends and family and your folks have a habit of doing this sort of reception. Otherwise, please reconsider. It can go all sorts of wrong.


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  • Dude, you suck.  Pot luck reception?  Let me tell you how well that worked out for my sister.  Not at all.  In fact, most people left because they just decided to pay for their OWN food, instead of everyone else's.  It was a mess, and my sister was upset that no one "participated".  AND my BM dress cost more than her wedding dress.  Lovely.


  • Squirrly, I called her once and left a message.
  • What did you say to her?
  • But did you discuss price with her at all before e-mailing her dresses? If I thought $150 was reasonable, but the bride started e-mailing me $300 dresses, I'd be a bit put off. Do you see what I mean? I do agree that she could have discussed the price with you instead of just dropping out, but it sounds like you didn't discuss price with her either so...

    I would advise against asking some guests to bring food and others to not bring food. The congregations may not be receiving a formal invite, but they will still be guests at your wedding just like anyone else who received a formal invitation. I find it rude to 1) have a potluck wedding and 2) to ask some to participate but not others. Ditto others, could you do cake and punch and maybe other desserts instead of trying to feed everyone a bit of an incomplete full meal?

    And I would suggest looking at bridesmaid/groomswoman dresses again about seven months out from your wedding. They really don't need to be decided on or purchased this early, especially since you may change your mind about the style between now and then or who knows? maybe one of your bridesmaids will gain or lose 30 pounds in the next couple of months.
  • I asked her if we could talk about what was going on and left her my number.
  • Are you asking for advice or for sympathy? 
    Advice:  Plan on this woman not being in your wedding party.  Don't do a potluck.
    Sympathy:  Sorry - I have none.
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  • This has been a fantabulous read.

    msutton - I think you need to take a deep breath and listen to what your best man is saying here.  It's rude to ask people to bring food to a wedding.  It's actually even worse to say "hey, you are more than welcome to come!  But, if you didn't get a formal invite, you best be bringing your own dinner."

    I know it sucks to hear.  I know it's easy to become defensive right now, so take a few days and really think on it.  Then have your fiance discuss this situation logically with your future father in law.
  • Nice find, ziti.  OP? 
  • MUD or a TK family? 
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    [QUOTE]MUD or a TK family? 
    Posted by andy71781[/QUOTE]

    The family that knots together acts like snots together. 
  • IF this is real and IF you only called her once, then she doesn't like you.  Either way, leave her alone.  And, before you offend two church congregations and your entire families and all your friends - nix the pot luck option. 
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