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TheKnot positions on kid participation in weddings

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This is a general summary of what seems to be this forum's positions on the participation of children in weddings:

1) The children in question can participate in the capacities of guest, MOH, BM, bridesmaid/man, groomsman/maid, reader, usher, flower girl, or ring bearer, depending on their ages.  Kids ages 3 to 7 can be flower girls and ring bearers; kids older than that can participate in the other capacities.

2) The children in question need to be able to understand and remember even in a limited way what they are being asked to do.   For this reason, it is not advised that children under age 3 participate in any capacity other than guest. 

3) The children in question need to be able to get up and down the aisle on their own or in wheelchairs or with crutches or canes.  Wagons and carts should not be employed for the purpose of "including" children under the age of 3.

4) Children of all ages can participate in photo shoots.

5) The wedding ceremony is not the place to give "family unity" gifts to children.  This should be done in private.

6) Children should not be expected to say vows to new stepparents during the wedding ceremony; nor should new stepparents recite vows to stepchildren during the wedding ceremony.  If this is done at all, this should be done in private.

7) The participation of children should always be cleared with the other parent if they are in the child's life.  That one parent is remarrying does not automatically have the new stepparent replace the other parent as the child's other parent if that is the case.

8) The marriage of a parent often evokes strong emotional responses from children which are not always in the parent's and/or new stepparent's favor.  Also, some children are just shy or would otherwise feel uncomfortable participating.  Any desire on a child's part not to participate in a wedding for whatever reason should be respected-it should never be forced or sprung unexpectedly on a child.

9) No religious or cultural tradition that does not exist explicitly for the purpose of the participation of a child or stepchild should be altered for use as a "unity ceremony."  This is not respectful to the religion or culture that is the source of that tradition.

10) While anyone can do whatever they wish at their own wedding, these positions are based on the idea that the wedding is the union of the couple, and children play a peripheral (still important, but not top-billing) role and are not the stars of the show, and are not meant to offend anyone but to set forth guidelines on how children of any age can best participate with the least likelihood of offending anyone and/or causing side-eyes.

Obviously, individual members might differ with one or more of these principles; this just happens to be a summary of what seems to be the most commonly held positions.
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Re: TheKnot positions on kid participation in weddings

  • Nice. I agree with you.

    Just to add that some ceremonies in religious venues actually cannot be altered to include children. This is drastically different from secular ceremonies that usually allow for customization.

    A couple must determine what is more important...the Church ceremony, or the participation of little Susie and little Johnny. You usually cannot have both.
  • Even if you are having a child-free wedding, if you want children to participate in your ceremony, you need to invite them to the reception. 
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  • my flower girl was under 2 years old and did a fabulous job. she loved the attention!  Could it have been the opposite way absolutely, but parents know their children and would know whether or not its a good idea to include the child.  We also had the FG and RB sit with family for the ceremony instead of standing up with the wedding party.  
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  • erinlin25 said:
    my flower girl was under 2 years old and did a fabulous job. she loved the attention!  Could it have been the opposite way absolutely, but parents know their children and would know whether or not its a good idea to include the child.  We also had the FG and RB sit with family for the ceremony instead of standing up with the wedding party.  
    It's still kind of unpredictable...one day it would been good, another it wouldn't have been.  You just never know up until the day of the wedding itself.
  • Jen4948 said:
    erinlin25 said:
    my flower girl was under 2 years old and did a fabulous job. she loved the attention!  Could it have been the opposite way absolutely, but parents know their children and would know whether or not its a good idea to include the child.  We also had the FG and RB sit with family for the ceremony instead of standing up with the wedding party.  
    It's still kind of unpredictable...one day it would been good, another it wouldn't have been.  You just never know up until the day of the wedding itself.
    But even then, that's a decision you need to make for yourself. Is it going to bother you if the ring bearer is in tears or too shy to walk down the aisle? What if the flower girl get distracted and wanders away? If you don't care, then go for it, but I don't think we should pass it off like a rule that you can't have anyone under 3.
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  • I agree, but I don't really think there's an age cut off for FGs and RBs. I'd say when they stop thinking it's "cool," then they're too old and you shouldn't try to make them do it. But there was a post in WP about how a 12-year-old sister really wanted to be the FG. I say why not. 
  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    ashleyep said:
    Jen4948 said:
    erinlin25 said:
    my flower girl was under 2 years old and did a fabulous job. she loved the attention!  Could it have been the opposite way absolutely, but parents know their children and would know whether or not its a good idea to include the child.  We also had the FG and RB sit with family for the ceremony instead of standing up with the wedding party.  
    It's still kind of unpredictable...one day it would been good, another it wouldn't have been.  You just never know up until the day of the wedding itself.
    But even then, that's a decision you need to make for yourself. Is it going to bother you if the ring bearer is in tears or too shy to walk down the aisle? What if the flower girl get distracted and wanders away? If you don't care, then go for it, but I don't think we should pass it off like a rule that you can't have anyone under 3.
    It just seems to be a fairly general position that it's not advised.  And most of us do think that any participating child should be old enough to understand what they are being asked to do and how to behave-and this is not the case with most children under 3.  Individual exceptions can't constitute a rule either.
  • I agree, but I don't really think there's an age cut off for FGs and RBs. I'd say when they stop thinking it's "cool," then they're too old and you shouldn't try to make them do it. But there was a post in WP about how a 12-year-old sister really wanted to be the FG. I say why not. 
    The ages listed in the OP are just defaults-obviously they can be adjusted as required.
  • I disagree with No. 2. My nephew was two years and four months old at our wedding. He absolutely wanted to participate, he enjoyed it, and he behaved perfectly.

    Did he walk down the aisle with the other RB? No, he did not. He made friends with my MOH and decided he would rather walk with her, and that was OK. 

    I think that, as long as you have reasonable expectations of the child's likely behaviour, you're fine including them. In our case, my nephew loved being part of the ceremony, loved having a flower like his father and grandfather and new uncle did, loved getting to stand up at the front and hold his Mommy's hand while we said our vows. 

    Because his mother (my SIL) and his father (my brother) were in the wedding, NOT including him meant he'd fuss and want to be with them anyway, so it worked for us. 
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  • Agree with everything in the OP except age cut-offs.

    I think younger kids can be fine as long as the couple knows there's a good chance the kid may melt down on the day of.  If this is something that won't stress you out, go for it!

    Same goes for the "older" cut offs.  I think that cutoff is very kid-specific.  I was a maid of honor at 10 and would have been offended if asked to be a flower girl (seemed like a "baby" job to ten year old me).  Other kids would probably be super excited at 10 or 11 to be a flower girl/ring bearer.

    I do think the age cut offs are a good starting place for someone who may not spend a lot of time around kids in general and has NO idea what may or may not be appropriate.
    Don't worry guys, I have the Wedding Police AND the Whambulance on speed dial!
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    Don't forget, there's a difference between "not advised" and "do not do."

    "Not advised" means just that-not advised.  It doesn't equal "advised not to" which is what "do not do" means.  Obviously, if you're okay with it, you're okay with not everyone else being okay with it, and the kid can handle it, go ahead and do it. 

    Edited to add: No one kid who can handle it represents all kids under 3.
  • exactly; it worked for us, and if she got got shy or scared we would not have forced her down the aisle.  Her mom was my bridesmaid and we had set up for her to go last so she could walk the path with her daughter and then if FG did not want to go alone, mom could have carried or walked with her.  but FG went so happy by herself... and then ran back up the aisle to do it again!  Then mom grabbed her and walked with her again.  It was cute and at the moment where I was coming to the path and getting overwhelmed, so seeing my little flower girl so excited with her big smile running back up the aisle totally made laugh and relax.  She was a little ham all night long!

    what works for one kid will not work for the next regardless of age!  We have a 6 yo cousin who no way would have been a FG.  She literally sticks to mom and dad and is an only talks to mom/dad/grandma/grandpa type kid. 

    anytime you use a child always remember things will not be perfect with them and that is OK.  Your marriage will still be valid even if FG or RB does not make it down the aisle.  never push them down. If they are scared, having a bad day, it is totally fine to have someone else walk with them or them not walk at all.

    We were fine with whatever happens, happens.  The kids we picked were the most special to us and so it was either them or no one at all.

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  • Jen4948 said:
    Don't forget, there's a difference between "not advised" and "do not do."

    "Not advised" means just that-not advised.  It doesn't equal "advised not to" which is what "do not do" means.  Obviously, if you're okay with it, you're okay with not everyone else being okay with it, and the kid can handle it, go ahead and do it. 

    Edited to add: No one kid who can handle it represents all kids under 3.
    Agreed!  Just wanted to point out the age thing, because there are a few "please please please do NOT do this" things on the list, so I wanted to distinguish these :)
    Don't worry guys, I have the Wedding Police AND the Whambulance on speed dial!
  • I disagree with No. 2. My nephew was two years and four months old at our wedding. He absolutely wanted to participate, he enjoyed it, and he behaved perfectly.

    Did he walk down the aisle with the other RB? No, he did not. He made friends with my MOH and decided he would rather walk with her, and that was OK. 

    I think that, as long as you have reasonable expectations of the child's likely behaviour, you're fine including them. In our case, my nephew loved being part of the ceremony, loved having a flower like his father and grandfather and new uncle did, loved getting to stand up at the front and hold his Mommy's hand while we said our vows. 

    Because his mother (my SIL) and his father (my brother) were in the wedding, NOT including him meant he'd fuss and want to be with them anyway, so it worked for us. 
    Okay, that is just cute and I'm glad you and your MOH were fine with that.
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  • Why wouldn't you include your children/stepchildren in the ceremony? And why do I have to ask permission from the other parent for my children to be in my wedding?
  • cidefi said:
    Why wouldn't you include your children/stepchildren in the ceremony? And why do I have to ask permission from the other parent for my children to be in my wedding?
    First of all, the child might not want to participate-especially if they're shy or really close to the other parent.  And since the other parent IS still the other parent of the child, all decisions regarding the child still need to be made with his/her input.
  • First of all, the child might not want to participate-especially if they're shy or really close to the other parent.  And since the other parent IS still the other parent of the child, all decisions regarding the child still need to be made with his/her input.

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    I disagree with that logic totally. The other parent should have no say so in the child's particapation what so ever. Now a child being shy or not wanting to be apart of the ceremony is a different story. But the other parent making decisions that effect my life is an absolute no no.

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    cidefi said:
    First of all, the child might not want to participate-especially if they're shy or really close to the other parent.  And since the other parent IS still the other parent of the child, all decisions regarding the child still need to be made with his/her input.
    ****************************************************** I disagree with that logic totally. The other parent should have no say so in the child's particapation what so ever. Now a child being shy or not wanting to be apart of the ceremony is a different story. But the other parent making decisions that effect my life is an absolute no no. Getting married doesn't put a stop on your responsibilities as a parent. Major things should always be approved by both parents. A child participating in a ceremony is a major thing. Think about it this way, you would never have someone else's child participate as a FG/RB without the parents signing off. This is no different. It's also just weird to have kids participate. Weddings are legally binding ceremonies. It's inappropriate for kids to participate in the legal bonding of two consenting adults.
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  • cidefi said: First of all, the child might not want to participate-especially if they're shy or really close to the other parent.  And since the other parent IS still the other parent of the child, all decisions regarding the child still need to be made with his/her input.
    ****************************************************** I disagree with that logic totally.
    The other parent should have no say so in the child's particapation what so ever. Now a child being shy or not wanting to be apart of the ceremony is a different story. But the other parent making decisions that effect my life is an absolute no no.


    The legal system of America disagrees with you, FWIW. Most custody agreements involve the caveat that the parents will continue to co-parent. That means do things together. If you were still married to your child's father, would you make a unilateral decision that the kid could be in someone else's wedding, or could go to sleep-away camp, or do something else? No, you wouldn't (I hope; although if you say yes, that explains to me why you're divorced).

    You have a kid together, you make decisions together, until that kid is 18 years old.
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  • edited November 2013
    I disagree with No. 2. My nephew was two years and four months old at our wedding. He absolutely wanted to participate, he enjoyed it, and he behaved perfectly.

    Did he walk down the aisle with the other RB? No, he did not. He made friends with my MOH and decided he would rather walk with her, and that was OK. 

    I think that, as long as you have reasonable expectations of the child's likely behaviour, you're fine including them. In our case, my nephew loved being part of the ceremony, loved having a flower like his father and grandfather and new uncle did, loved getting to stand up at the front and hold his Mommy's hand while we said our vows. 

    Because his mother (my SIL) and his father (my brother) were in the wedding, NOT including him meant he'd fuss and want to be with them anyway, so it worked for us. 
    Okay, that is just cute and I'm glad you and your MOH were fine with that.
    It was adorable! She has a niece about the same age as my nephew, and she's really good with kids. My initial plan was for him to walk with his mother, because I thought he would be skittish of walking with the other RB. He didn't want to do that, and said, "No, Mommy, you go now!" and walked with the MOH. It was adorable, and it cracked me up, and I loved it. 

    ETA: Fix typo
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    I'm gonna go with 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
  • cidefi said:
    First of all, the child might not want to participate-especially if they're shy or really close to the other parent.  And since the other parent IS still the other parent of the child, all decisions regarding the child still need to be made with his/her input.
    ****************************************************** I disagree with that logic totally. The other parent should have no say so in the child's particapation what so ever. Now a child being shy or not wanting to be apart of the ceremony is a different story. But the other parent making decisions that effect my life is an absolute no no.

    I call BS on this.  I have a kid, their father is getting remarried? You bet your ass I get a say-just as if my kid is being asked to participate in anyone else's wedding.  Getting a new stepparent does not automatically cancel out my parental rights, which include determining whether or not my kid participates in the wedding.
  • I totally disagree. We will have my fiance's daughter in our wedding and we do NOT need to ask her mother. Our wedding date and time do not conflict with our visitation rules that are already in place. He makes mutual decisions with her mother regarding school and health, but not what we do with our time together. As long as she is safe, supported, happy and back with her mother at the agreed upon time, we LEGALLY do not need to ask for permission to do anything.
  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    I totally disagree. We will have my fiance's daughter in our wedding and we do NOT need to ask her mother. Our wedding date and time do not conflict with our visitation rules that are already in place. He makes mutual decisions with her mother regarding school and health, but not what we do with our time together. As long as she is safe, supported, happy and back with her mother at the agreed upon time, we LEGALLY do not need to ask for permission to do anything.
    What you need to do with your FI's ex regarding his daughter only BEGINS with what is LEGALLY required.  Sorry, but your getting remarried doesn't cancel out your MORAL and ETIQUETTE obligation to include her mother in decisions what is also HER daughter.  You do not get to exclude her just because you are marrying the girl's father.

    And if it were your daughter and her father was remarrying, and the stepmother to be gave the same sort of bullshit that they didn't have to consult you? 
  • I think we're getting sidetracked on the rights of biological parents here.
  • I totally disagree. We will have my fiance's daughter in our wedding and we do NOT need to ask her mother. Our wedding date and time do not conflict with our visitation rules that are already in place. He makes mutual decisions with her mother regarding school and health, but not what we do with our time together. As long as she is safe, supported, happy and back with her mother at the agreed upon time, we LEGALLY do not need to ask for permission to do anything.

    What a terrible way to start your relationship with her mother. You are going to have the mother in your life. If you wanted what was best for your FI's daughter, I would think you'd try to start that relationship off on the right foot. Kids learn deception by omission from the adults around them. You may regret setting that example latter.
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  • We have a great relationship! And our relationship is built on trust that we are all doing what is best for the child. We let her mother know when the wedding is and what the child's role is and that she is very excited. We don't need to ask permission to do anything, though. 
  • We have a great relationship! And our relationship is built on trust that we are all doing what is best for the child. We let her mother know when the wedding is and what the child's role is and that she is very excited. We don't need to ask permission to do anything, though. 
    I think etiquette does not agree that you don't need to ask permission.  This thread is not about what you are legally required to do, but it is about what you are morally and etiquettely required to do.  They are not the same thing.  Etiquette does require that her mother be allowed input into any decisions concerning her daughter.
  • We have a great relationship! And our relationship is built on trust that we are all doing what is best for the child. We let her mother know when the wedding is and what the child's role is and that she is very excited. We don't need to ask permission to do anything, though. 

    That sounds like you basically have her permission. When people say permission they don't mean sending the child to the other parents house with permission slip, they mean being open and honest. If the mother had said something about disapproving of her daughters role, I would imagine (hope) that you would have reconsidered. To me that is what I mean when I say "permission"
    Don't worry guys, I have the Wedding Police AND the Whambulance on speed dial!
  • I'm sorry, Etiquette.



  • The legal system of America disagrees with you, FWIW. Most custody agreements involve the caveat that the parents will continue to co-parent. That means do things together. If you were still married to your child's father, would you make a unilateral decision that the kid could be in someone else's wedding, or could go to sleep-away camp, or do something else? No, you wouldn't (I hope; although if you say yes, that explains to me why you're divorced).

    You have a kid together, you make decisions together, until that kid is 18 years old.

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    Ok 1st off let me say this. I am a state deputy clerk and have been a bench clerk in FAMILY COURT for almost 15 years. I am also in graduate school to become a Certified Clinical Social Worker, so before ANYBODY tries to tell me ANYTHING on this subject, know that I do this everyday for a living so theres not much anyone can tell me.

    2nd there is no state statue in ANY STATE of the United States of America that requires the other parent be notifed when the other said parent is getting married UNLESS it is written in a court order rather it be in a sole or joint custody case.

    THE LAW SAYS you can not dictate what happens in the other parents home what so ever. You can not keep said child(ren) away from the other parent for any reason. It is called Custodial Interference and it is against the law. You can go to jail and/or possibly lose your own custody rights. Now if some kind of abuse is going on, that's a different story. But for the sake of this thread, we will keep simple.

    For example: I am a divorced mother to 3. I have joint custody with my ex-husband. He does not pay child support because we decided that each parent would take care of the children within their own households. We both live within our children's school district, so we switch off every Friday. Every other year we switch up claiming the children on our taxes (I also do taxes, so I know tax law too). All of this is written in our custody papers upon our divorce. We have no problems, we have no issues. Now when my ex-husband got re-married, his wedding fell on my weekend to have the kids. He called, I said yes they could go and there was no problem. LEGALLY I COULD HAVE SAID NO (and believe me I wanted to). BUT had they scheduled their wedding on their weekend...LEGALLY he would not have had to tell me anything at all. Now I believe in adults being adults. And I believe that parents need to communicate with each other, but not all adults can act like an adults. And in real life most people don't act like me and my ex-husband. Everybody confuses what we should do MORALLY with what we CAN do legally. And like it or not LEGALLY the other parent does not have to be notifed.
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